TheGodParticle/Hari Posted April 5, 2014 Share #1 Posted April 5, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) (SR5) Sony A7s has a brand new 12 Megapixel Full Frame sensor! | sonyalpharumors "The Sony A7s keeps surprising us! It will get announced on Sunday already(!) and it will record 4K video. And now I just learned it features a new 12 megapixel Full Frame sensor! It completely goes in the opposite direction of the market who calls for “more megapixels”. And I think Sony’s move makes a lot of sense: Larger pixels, cleaner high ISO images, more fps! This is going to be an amazing 4K camera! Reminder: The A7s will be unveiled live at 2pm in Las Vegas (on Sunday). You can follow the live video stream on SAR!!! This is the time in other time zones: - 5pm New York time on Sunday April 6 - 10pm (22:00) London time on Sunday April 6 - 11pm (23:00) Berlin time on Sunday April 6 - 6am (06:00) Tokyo time on Monday April 7" 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BJDrew Posted April 7, 2014 Share #2 Posted April 7, 2014 Here is the interesting part - for me. 1. The big, fat, honking pixels *may* mean a cleaner corner for RF lenses 2. Given their excellent track record with sensor tech - I actually do believe the Sony claims on color fidelity and clean output at higher sensitivities 3. I fondly remember the M8, providing quite adequate resolution - but with a cropped frame and terrible sensitivity/color (lovable, but terrible!) 4. Let's assume a start price of $2500 (coming quickly to settle at $2,000) 5. Now, with a 12MP, modern sensor - this A7s may be the best "alternative" choice for M glass lovers So, my prediction is that the A7s becomes the best M-alternative choice for using Leica/Zeiss/Cosina glass. I'll further predict that ego and megapixel lust prevents it from really taking off for this purpose. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaybob Posted April 7, 2014 Share #3 Posted April 7, 2014 (edited) 4k, yes, well, sort of. It's a better camera for shooting usable photographs in lower light, that's for sure. Resolution over what this camera provides, is completely overrated in most photographic applications, in my humble opinion. Now if it only looked more like a rangefinder...oh yeah, that's the NEX 6. Edited April 7, 2014 by Jaybob 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJDrew Posted April 7, 2014 Share #4 Posted April 7, 2014 Jaybob - The only thing I really, really like about the A7r's resolution is some of the crazy flexibility it provides. For example - I use me Zeiss ZM 18/4 (which is almost all deep-focus stuff) - as an 18mm, 21mm, 24mm and 28mm lens. Using the EVF grid, I can frame easily for these focal lengths, and use the APS-C capture feature to visualize 28mm. I get a beautiful 16MP file at a 1.5x crop! Further - my Leica 50mm f/1.4 ASPH in APS-C crop mode behaves as an amazing 75mm f/2 lens. More detail than I could ask for - and the EVF provides a wonderful framing aid. Outside of this (which most people won't do) - I agree. 12MP is about right for the vast majority of work. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaybob Posted April 7, 2014 Share #5 Posted April 7, 2014 I get a beautiful 16MP file at a 1.5x crop! I love my Rigid Summicron "75" on the NEX6 for exactly the same reason. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted April 7, 2014 Share #6 Posted April 7, 2014 4k, yes, well, sort of. It's a better camera for shooting usable photographs in lower light, that's for sure. Resolution over what this camera provides, is completely overrated in most photographic applications, in my humble opinion. Now if it only looked more like a rangefinder...oh yeah, that's the NEX 6. Yes often 12MP is more than enough for many applications and subjects. But also consider that as one moves to higher ISOs the resolution drops off even if you have a high megapixel count. So perhaps this 12MP sensor will out resolve a 36MP sensor past a certain ISO. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
viramati Posted April 7, 2014 Share #7 Posted April 7, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Yes often 12MP is more than enough for many applications and subjects. But also consider that as one moves to higher ISOs the resolution drops off even if you have a high megapixel count. So perhaps this 12MP sensor will out resolve a 36MP sensor past a certain ISO. Yes that could be true. All I will add is that what with this camera and the A7 I can see my love affair with leica coming to an end at some point in the future if we start to get some wide and super angle FE mount lenses that can compete with the leica glass. If the zeiss/sony FE55/1.8 is anything to go by this shouldn't be to far away 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted April 8, 2014 Share #8 Posted April 8, 2014 Sony is marketing and designing this camera to be a 4K video camera. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archiver Posted April 9, 2014 Share #9 Posted April 9, 2014 Seems to be the video solution that some were hoping the M240 to have been, even just using the 1080p in-camera recording mode. As a stills camera it might prove excellent for rangefinder lenses, and as a video camera it already looks superb. I'm quite excited by this upcoming camera! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted April 11, 2014 Share #10 Posted April 11, 2014 £2.5K Body only. I'll let other early adopters try it out first. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest polygamer Posted April 11, 2014 Share #11 Posted April 11, 2014 £2.5K Body only. I'll let other early adopters try it out first. So will I. And there is something from Fuji rumored to be in the making, too ... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MikeN Posted April 11, 2014 Share #12 Posted April 11, 2014 I'm curious if all the range finder wide angle purple fringing color smearing edge softness lens testing is going to start again Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest polygamer Posted April 11, 2014 Share #13 Posted April 11, 2014 I'm curious if all the range finder wide angle purple fringing color smearing edge softness lens testing is going to start again Without me. I am quite happy to have found satisfactory Leica M mount combinations with the SONY A7. Not again ... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted April 12, 2014 Share #14 Posted April 12, 2014 "Sony is actually close to making more cameras for the A7 lineup than lenses." - Mike, The Online Photographer The Online Photographer All of the RF-lens testing is going to start without me too. I'm not going to get sucked into Sony's PR about how these cameras can be used with RF lenses, again. Sony is going to have to develop their own line of system lenses before I buy their cameras again. I've lost a lot of respect for Sony, and learned a lot about why native lenses are so important to a camera system. I'm happy with the M240 and realize it is the best option for the M lenses and longer R lenses where shutter vibration is so important. The M-system has an incredibly vast selection of amazing lenses to choose from, of any system. When Sony has a stable of amazing native system lenses for the A7 cameras I will look seriously again at the A7 cameras. Until this happens I will not be fooled again. But, I appreciate Sony pushing the envelope on things like this 4K video and they are making it tougher for other companies to keep up with them. I'm sure this new camera is going to be just what a lot of videographers are looking for. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pierovitch Posted April 12, 2014 Share #15 Posted April 12, 2014 Seems the market is about implied performance ability. Sort of like sports cars - apart from a few track day racers most are happy to buy into the possibility rather than the practice. It's knowing that handheld moonlight landscapes and cinematic quality movies are possible. Chips and mountings are the cheap bits. The rig and optics are now the major factor in quality output. Just look at the prices of serious cine hire equipment. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
3D-Kraft.com Posted April 18, 2014 Share #16 Posted April 18, 2014 Due to the larger pixels I am quite sure that many more RF lenses will be sufficient for that camera. But for me and many others, that look for solutions and not only for problems, this is no longer a discussion point as I found already a satisfactory set of lenses for the A7R from 16 to 135 mm. The A7S will be a perfect companion to enhance my range of missions. For those still craving for more lenses, I guess they should be patient for Photokina in September. According to Sony's roadmap there are two more interesting native lenses to be expected (UWW zoom and another fast prime) and Zeiss is expected to announce a couple of manual fullframe prime lenses for E-mount this year as well. This means about 8-9 lenses within about one year. There are not many systems with that number of lenses and bodies in such a short time... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicatraveller Posted April 23, 2014 Share #17 Posted April 23, 2014 the problem is that you need also lens that must open at f2 or 1.4.... if not you will have a 35mm f2.8 lens at iso 6400 that is equal to use a 1.4 lens at 1600 iso.... so for be a "monster" of low light photography you MUST have lens dedicated to low light ... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archiver Posted April 29, 2014 Share #18 Posted April 29, 2014 Initial retail price in Australia seems to be $3500.00. Ugh. I do not own any Sony lenses or anything that would fit natively on that camera, and the only lenses that could reasonably work are my Canon L lenses. But what adapter!?! I've got a handful of old Minolta and Pentax lenses that could work with an adapter, though. Sometimes I wish I had seen the future and bought Leica R lenses while they were still inexpensive and available. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick De Marco Posted August 20, 2014 Share #19 Posted August 20, 2014 [ATTACH]453012[/ATTACH] the problem is that you need also lens that must open at f2 or 1.4.... if not you will have a 35mm f2.8 lens at iso 6400 that is equal to use a 1.4 lens at 1600 iso.... so for be a "monster" of low light photography you MUST have lens dedicated to low light ... The excellent high iso on the Sony A7s means it is a camera I prefer to use with M glass than I did the A7r (where I preferred the dedicated Zeiss FE lenses). I have found you can get great results from the A7s at iso range 10,000 - 20,000. That means I can shoot a 1.4 lens at 1600 iso at aperture f4.5 with no appreciable additional noise. Or of course I can shoot it at f1.4 with a faster shutter speed. I have reviewed the high iso capabilities of the camera here: Rangefinder Chronicles: The Sony A7s Review Part III - High Sensitivity review The attached is at iso 10,000 Nick Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/224715-a-new-sony-a7s/?do=findComment&comment=2652979'>More sharing options...
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