Herr Barnack Posted April 4, 2014 Author Share #81 Posted April 4, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) ...For the amateur, what often matters is the experience of making the image (the "fun factor", if you will)... Since many professional photographers view the M240 as not a good value (AKA a waste of money), is the M240 then to be regarded as the plaything of well-heeled photographic dilletantes? If this gent ( Joel Meyerowitz - My life with Leica (take two) on Vimeo ) is to be branded a dilletane, I will happily wear that label alongside him. How does one define 'image quality"? And what is its relevance? How many angels can dance on the head of a pin? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted April 4, 2014 Posted April 4, 2014 Hi Herr Barnack, Take a look here The Leica M 240: Either you "get" it or you don't. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Paul J Posted April 4, 2014 Share #82 Posted April 4, 2014 One defines and quantifies image quality by relating it to other cameras image quality, mostly that you deem comparable by your own needs or criteria. Somehow that is a both offensive and a mystery to some. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted April 5, 2014 Share #83 Posted April 5, 2014 Richard Sexton - Gets it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted April 5, 2014 Share #84 Posted April 5, 2014 The guy that originally said, don't sell Leica lenses - Gets it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted April 5, 2014 Share #85 Posted April 5, 2014 If, you bought an RX1 - You get it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted April 5, 2014 Share #86 Posted April 5, 2014 If, you sold an A7R - you get it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted April 5, 2014 Share #87 Posted April 5, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) If, you bought an MM - you get it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted April 5, 2014 Share #88 Posted April 5, 2014 If, you bought an M240 and have never posted here - you probably, get it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted April 5, 2014 Share #89 Posted April 5, 2014 Rick, I 'get' it..hallelujah..praise the lord.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted April 5, 2014 Share #90 Posted April 5, 2014 Mark... If, you bought a 75mm Summilux - You not only get it, you always get a little more than you expect - The Dude. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted April 5, 2014 Share #91 Posted April 5, 2014 Mark... If, you bought a 75mm Summilux - You not only get it, you always get a little more than you expect - The Dude. the Dude Indeed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
quoyle Posted April 11, 2014 Share #92 Posted April 11, 2014 Do you want to carry a Leica M, or a D800. Do you like a rangefinder or an SLR. The M240 does have Leica glass, but don't forget about Zeiss glass on the Nikon. If we are talking strictly resolution, that new Otus looks menacing. Think of it from a different view. If you are a pro and have to choose where you spend your money. Say it might be used in a studio sometimes. It is an interesting question. Ideally, yes I want the beautiful Leica, but after having to send a camera back to have it calibrated with a lens (multiple times) can be a frustrating experience. I "get it" though. Could you explain more about why you had your lens calibrated? Im not sure one of my lenses focuses correctly, Id be interested in knowing what was wrong with yours and what it took to get it fixed. Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted April 15, 2014 Author Share #93 Posted April 15, 2014 Could you explain more about why you had your lens calibrated? Im not sure one of my lenses focuses correctly, Id be interested in knowing what was wrong with yours and what it took to get it fixed. Thanks. Backfocus is an issue for some camera/lens combinations; that is why some cameras and lenses are sent to Leica for calibration. Here are a couple of threads that talk about backfocus: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m8-forum/33844-so-about-backfocus.html http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m8-forum/13933-new-backfocus-thread-solution.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted April 17, 2014 Share #94 Posted April 17, 2014 I "get" the M240, but I won't get it while my M9 is still in working order. I just can't stomach the depreciation of digital cameras in that price range anymore. Did it with the M8, then the M9. I'd rather suffer whatever IQ loss there is M9 compared with the M240, and could care less about any stigma some people attach to using the penultimate model Leica. Lovely camera the M240, if someone were to give me one, I would be happy to get it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted April 17, 2014 Share #95 Posted April 17, 2014 I just can't stomach the depreciation of digital cameras in that price range anymore. But if you're skipping models, that depreciation is a benefit, not a hindrance, for purchase. Glass half full. I kept a relatively inexpensive used mint M8.2 for back-up after getting the M 240, even though the former has plenty good enough IQ for my print needs. But then I got the M 240 as much for its handling and build improvements (RF, shutter, battery, processor, sealing, etc) as for its IQ. The EVF versatility (especially to check camera/lens calibration) is a bonus. I skipped the M9, seeing no such improvements over the M8.2, even some steps backwards (frame lines, screen, top LCD, etc). Like you, no compulsion to get every version…but based on specific preferences. Depends on one's priorities as much as wallet. Whatever suits. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted April 17, 2014 Share #96 Posted April 17, 2014 I agree with you Jeff, but unfortunately I did not skip models I waited a while before I got the M8, but then Herr Daniel announced that technology for a full-frame M was far off. In fact I had my M8 upgraded with framelines, shutter and sapphire glass. 6 mos later the M9 came out, which I agree wasn't a huge IQ improvement over the M8, but it did have full frame and it did not have the mandatory need of IR filters on lenses. I considered that significant for me and so I got one. The reversions to the plastic screen and 1m framelines were unfortunate, I thought, but a screen protector on the former was a viable solution, and I was used to the 1m lines from the film bodies. I have no interest whatsoever in video (and if I did, would want something with a zoom and autofocus), nor the EVF (got along perfectly well with just the rangefinder for 40 some odd years), but they aren't intrusive and it's not as if Leica is charging extra for them over the price I paid for the M9. At this point I feel inclined to wait and see what the next model brings (or omits). And if my M9 happens to need uneconomical repairs, or if Leica runs out of some critical part, I'm sure there will be ample opportunity to pick up a barely-used M240 at depreciated cost. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted April 17, 2014 Share #97 Posted April 17, 2014 I agree with you Jeff, but unfortunately I did not skip models…. [snipped] ….And if my M9 happens to need uneconomical repairs, or if Leica runs out of some critical part, I'm sure there will be ample opportunity to pick up a barely-used M240 at depreciated cost. This illustrates my point. So far you HAVE skipped the M240 and, even if you splurge at some point, you may get one later at significantly depreciated value. BTW, UV/IR cut filters still enhance results in many cases for both the M9 and the M240. Only the degree of IR 'contamination' changed from the M8, not the totality. The only feature I dislike in the new camera is video, and it's probably here to stay…but at least I can ignore it (as long as I don't inadvertently hit the darn button). Live view, as I said, is great for lens/camera focus calibration checks…I never needed that in my decades with film Ms, but Leica digital is different. But 99% of my use is still RF, and the M240 is a more refined RF machine IMO; much closer to a film M experience in terms of quiet, reliable use. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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