genefama Posted February 21, 2014 Share #41 Posted February 21, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) For me the problem isn't hit rates. I have a higher hit rate with the M240 than the M9 because it's easier to focus and meter with. I'm just not as happy with the contrast, colors, sharpness, and overall naturalness of the IQ yet. Getting there, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jdlaing Posted February 21, 2014 Share #42 Posted February 21, 2014 That's good to hear. To be sure, we're talking pro work here, hundreds of clicks in a few hours, right? I retired in November but prior to that yes. No problems. I had an M right out of the gate in the beginning too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwilliamsphotography Posted February 22, 2014 Share #43 Posted February 22, 2014 To reiterate; Leica M series cameras are not for everyone. To add to that thought … Leica M cameras aren't for every type of photography. - Marc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted February 22, 2014 Share #44 Posted February 22, 2014 That's good to hear. To be sure, we're talking pro work here, hundreds of clicks in a few hours, right? Sometimes paid work for publication or exhibition including weddings and events and promotional work for artists, but sometimes not paid work, but certainly hundreds of clicks in a few hours in all conditions, indoors and out, wet and dry, cold or colder (but not hot where I work!) and neither M9 or M has ever had a single problem in the four years I've used them for many tens of thousands of photos. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted February 22, 2014 Share #45 Posted February 22, 2014 +1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted February 22, 2014 Share #46 Posted February 22, 2014 Six lenses, two bodies, easily over 10 pounds of gear... As a wedding photographer, I wouldn't wish that to my worst enemy. If one really needs all these focal lengths to do a job, and one as fast paced as a wedding, maybe a zoom should be considered... My wedding kit is 21, 50 and 85. You can see some of the results on brightnewkey.com if you're curious. Sorry for being off topic, but I figured this thread wasn't to be taken at face value... Back on the M240, I'm planning to buy one soon and use it for weddings this season, but all these reports of lock-ups, freezing, oil on the sensor, I'm starting to get cold feet... Surely some of you manage to work with that camera without issues, right? Nice photos I wouldn't worry about any of those things. 10mins on dpreview and you won't buy any camera I was being a bit facetious on the lenses ... It's tough to shoot an event without a zoom. I am not professional even slightly but I have shot numerous events for some charities I am involved with and I would tend to use just 35 and 50. I think top wedding photography is a very difficult job Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozoyo Posted February 26, 2014 Share #47 Posted February 26, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) A 'hit rate' is not camera dependent. It is photographer dependent.The photographer knows what he/she is shooting. The camera does not. Choose the right tool or the mistake is your fault. Don't expect to use a hammer to drive home a screw. Moral: Keep your tool box full and choose wisely when taking one out. Same goes when taking out women. Exactly, if the hit rate is low, you need to pick your shots better, it is as simple as that. Going out for the day with a Rolleiflex (or any MF camera) loaded with 12 shots is, for example, a good exercise. Although I have to say it took a bit of time to get accustomed to the M240 (coming from a D800e and being new to RF). Then again, if you spend that kind of money in a camera, you want to make a serious effort. Now that I am getting the hang of it my D800e is gathering dust. I have had my M for less than a couple of months but it was enough for me to want to start a blog of photos only taken with the M + 35 lux (so far). http://an-m-blog.tumblr.com Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted February 26, 2014 Share #48 Posted February 26, 2014 Ozoyo, you experience is 'normal' regarding having a new camera, or new anything. Be prepared to to dust off your D800 sometime in the future. I have no experience with it, but I know it can do things the Leica can't, and vice versa. They will eventually work very well, side by side, not replacing each other. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdriceman Posted February 26, 2014 Share #49 Posted February 26, 2014 I have to admit I'm not getting as many good pictures with my M Typ 240 as I did with my M9 and 5D Mark III. I'm hoping it's just due to the learning curve that comes with a new camera. I just don't understand this. The camera handles essentially the same as an M9, but with better dynamic range, extended ISO range, quieter shutter and with the EVF, it is better for composition especially with wide angle lenses. What do you mean by not getting as many good pictures? Are they more blurry? Are your compositions worse? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozoyo Posted February 28, 2014 Share #50 Posted February 28, 2014 Ozoyo, you experience is 'normal' regarding having a new camera, or new anything. Be prepared to to dust off your D800 sometime in the future. I have no experience with it, but I know it can do things the Leica can't, and vice versa. They will eventually work very well, side by side, not replacing each other. The D800E is an absolutely fantastic camera. It can indeed do things the Leica can't but I can't think of anything the Leica does that the Nikon can't. Anyway, I really think limitations are good for photography and I like the simplicity of the M. I used to walk around with both the D800E and a Rolleiflex. Now that I have the Leica, I don't feel the need to carry the Rolleiflex as much as I used to. The other funny thing is that I don't feel the need to constantly change focal length with the M, I am sticking with my 35mm all the time. I am not saying that I won't use my Nikon or Rolleiflex anymore but the M seems to have a balance between retro and modernity that pleases me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted February 28, 2014 Share #51 Posted February 28, 2014 I can't think of anything the Leica does that the Nikon can't. Anyway, I really think limitations are good for photography and I like the simplicity of the M. What is this "simplicity" ? If you talk about lack of automated features, just use the Nikon in manual mode. After all, you said there is nothing the Leica does that Nikon doesn't Actually, I believe there is something Nikon doesn't: - Give the RF experience. - Low weight and small size. - Use Leica M lenses. - Lock up, and waste your time with firmware bugs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gilgamesh Posted February 28, 2014 Share #52 Posted February 28, 2014 Just looking at your Avatar: That's the flip side of having a huge, slow motorbike, you expect life in the slow lane. Buy a spots bike, attain & hone the more advanced skills and techniques to handle life in the middle and then if you are good enough, the fast lane. And burn your slippers whilst you're at it. I suspect the M may well be out of your skills set at this time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozoyo Posted February 28, 2014 Share #53 Posted February 28, 2014 What is this "simplicity" ? If you talk about lack of automated features, just use the Nikon in manual mode. After all, you said there is nothing the Leica does that Nikon doesn't Actually, I believe there is something Nikon doesn't: - Give the RF experience. - Low weight and small size. - Use Leica M lenses. - Lock up, and waste your time with firmware bugs I do use the Nikon in Manual mode, the odd time in Apperture priority with Exposure compensation. I actually tend to use the Leica in A mode, which is more automated then what I used to do with the Nikon. By simplicity, I mean straight forward. Nikon's ergonomics are great and the double wheels handle just fine but I like handling an apperture ring. Leica M is more down to basics. What I meant by does or doesn't was in terms of photographic possibilities. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenicolas Posted February 28, 2014 Share #54 Posted February 28, 2014 Actually, I believe there is something Nikon doesn't: - Low weight and small size. Actually, comparing a kit of Leica M240 + cron 35, summilux 50 and cron 90 and the equivalent Nikon kit based on a d610, the Nikon kit is lighter. If you buy the tiny Leica sf-24d to replace the built in flash the M lacks, your Leica kit may not fit in a bag where the Nikon does. You should have mentioned the quieter shutter. That is a thing Leica does and Nikon doesn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted February 28, 2014 Share #55 Posted February 28, 2014 Actually, comparing a kit of Leica M240 + cron 35, summilux 50 and cron 90 and the equivalent Nikon kit based on a d610, the Nikon kit is lighter. Lighter ? Let's see your calculations using the best equivalent Nikon lenses. In any case, a Leica kit is definitely smaller, and to prove this, we just need to submerge a Leica M kit and a D610 kit in water, and check the displaced volume Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmradman Posted February 28, 2014 Share #56 Posted February 28, 2014 Lighter ? Let's see your calculations using the best equivalent Nikon lenses. In any case, a Leica kit is definitely smaller, and to prove this, we just need to submerge a Leica M kit and a D610 kit in water, and check the displaced volume Before attempting volume displacement test suggest to pack kit into watertight vacuum bag, good idea BTW Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenicolas Posted February 28, 2014 Share #57 Posted February 28, 2014 My calculations were made with : M240 = D610 2/35 = af-s 1,8/35G 1,4/50 = Af-s 1,4/50G 2/90 = Af-s 1,8/85G I used manufacturer's data and B&H. When they differed (only for leica) I used the lightest measure. Feel free to double check, I am but a human. The difference was within 10%, but the Nikon kit was lighter. Your comment about volume seems right, but if you have a small bag with only 2 compartments (think fanny pack style) and have the camera with a lens mounted in one, and the two other lenses on top of each other in the other, you have nowhere to put your sf-24d. I checked the weight thing a while ago because my m6 with 2/50 was much heavier than my fm2 and E-series 1,8/50 and I got tired of all the forums photographers saying Nikon or Canon hurt their back... Still love my Leica more though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted February 28, 2014 Share #58 Posted February 28, 2014 You see, already we are declaring different criteria for our personal choice. A bit like selecting a wife. We don't all want the same thing (do we ). For me, when choosing a camera that is, I aggregate the whole package and the presence it projects when in my hands, and of course performance is vital, however that is defined. It varies for differing occasions and may cause me to select a different model. Still talking cameras, of course. Anyway, final choice is very much personal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted March 1, 2014 Share #59 Posted March 1, 2014 I actually tend to use the Leica in A mode, which is more automated then what I used to do with the Nikon. A=aperture priority mode-that's all Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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