woorob Posted November 7, 2013 Share #61 Posted November 7, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Dan, I'd be proud of these pictures. Fine job indeed (despite the technical difficulties). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted November 7, 2013 Posted November 7, 2013 Hi woorob, Take a look here First M only event. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
chris_tribble Posted November 7, 2013 Share #62 Posted November 7, 2013 Please be gentle, I was suffering pretty badly ;-) (and also these were the easy, low stress shots. I've not uploaded any of the sponsor/royalty photos as I've not checked for clearance on those) Dan -- no need to be gentle. There are some lovely shots here - all fully worthy of your talent as a photographer. As the person who responded early to your first post I feel at the very least I should acknowledge quality when I see it I am aware that there's a risk that this thread's deteriorated into a bit of a spat between the bitterly twisted and disappointed and the people that they will class as mindless leicaphile flaneurs. However, I'd like to raise a couple of points in favour of the Leica M as a professional tool. Writing from Bogota, Colombia where I've just spent a twelve hour day doing videoed interviews (using the M-240 + either 35 summicron asph or 50 lux asph) + stills + event coverage (with the Canon 5D2 + 70-200 IS f2.8 as the long reach tool), I'm pleased to report: 1. the video quality in VERY difficult lighting (going up to 1600 ISO to get correct exposure at f4 @ 1/50th and horrid sound conditions,) is proving to be excellent + no glitches so far. 2. I've had no hiccoughs with still images (not 2000 in the day -- does anyone REALLY want to shoot that many? -- but there'll be a good 3-400 keepers once I've edited) 3. AWB works really well in vile mixed lighting (energy saving bulb lit basement training rooms in a series of 4 star hotels - been there?) OK - am I just lucky or is the Leica M a tool for the professional photographer? I'd tend to say I'm lucky to have the M bodies and lenses I have, and that IMHO the M-240 fully deserves to be classed as a professional camera body. I really hope that Dan is able to sort out the lens matching problems (sounds like a conversation with Malcolm Taylor is in order to get the lenses properly coded) + that he continues to take great images with a useful photographic instrument. That's what I plan to do... Just my 2 cents of course... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gilgamesh Posted November 7, 2013 Share #63 Posted November 7, 2013 I think Chris's comments are pertinent and in light of the issues many of us are having with the M240, somewhat prescient. To my M woes, I'd add that changing the iso is a bit hit and miss, often it manically scrolls through every iso. Stop. Try again. I won't use the EVF any more. It seems to be a problem by all accounts (well, many here have learnt to hate it by the sound of things). My backup kit in my bag is the same as Chris's, save it's the D800 outfit instead. But like him, I do so love the M images so we press on to the next lock-up / battery removal moment. Quite simply, for a woking tool / camera such as this M240, to cost this much and have so many, many errors, and for Leica not to take responsibility or acknowledge the legion of cheesed off, less-than-impressed users, is not how it should be in the second decade of the 21st century to my mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted November 7, 2013 Share #64 Posted November 7, 2013 Well, you mentioned Fred Miranda... Leica M240 issues - FM Forums K-H I did not mean to say that there are no discussions and complaints on other websites, FM, getDPI etc. It is just that I have perhaps gathered incorrectly that this site is perhaps the main site where Leica employees might read comments about their product and take some threads seriously where many users are experiencing similar problems. That's all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 7, 2013 Share #65 Posted November 7, 2013 Leica does read this forum and takes issues raised here very seriously. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pieterpronk Posted November 7, 2013 Share #66 Posted November 7, 2013 I would just like to add that I like the pictures you got from the event. And that the performance at 3200 iso is one of the things that has impressed me as well about my M240. The ability to use high iso has opened up the possibility to use the M at such evening events. (The main thing I would love to see improved for my use in such conditions is the AWB, as repeated use of the greycard kinda ruins the flow and is not always possible.) Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Essemmlee Posted November 7, 2013 Share #67 Posted November 7, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) We do not doubt that you use your camera(s) daily, but do you use your M240 with EVF on for many hours of shooting? Were you out this Summer using your M240 + EVF during the intense heat wave over most of mainland Europe? Do you have and use R lenses that require EVF? Thank you for your response. In answer to your valid questions I use my M daily with and without my Olympus EV2. I use various lenses from Nikon on my M (even a lensbaby )as well as my standard Leica and Zeiss glass. I have not had an issue yet. For reference though, when I worked as a press photographer, and as a wedding photographer, not once did I think I must use my Leica today. If I was in field I would always go to the Nikons for that type of work. I'm still not convinced that the Leicas are designed for paid business work, though I understand there are some pro's who do. As for the OP using his Leica to take unpaid for photos for a charity concert; I would have done exactly the same. Just for the joy of the Leica. There is no joy in the cold, hard, but workmanlike Nikons. The end result was not as bad for the OP as he thought and honestly, that is often the case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannybuoy Posted November 7, 2013 Author Share #68 Posted November 7, 2013 Thanks everybody for the comments. I'm actually really happy with the results. I don't think the event organisers were looking for such, may I say, artistic photos. Which has clearly been shown by the other photog sporting a 5D3 to cover the actual concert. They were mostly looking to document the event (sponsors with HRH etc) so they can promote them to achieve sponsorship next year. I would rather my photos are a little more special than that. Lets see what they say. I'm still in love with my M but had a wobble after the event due to the 'user experience features'. I really do hope that some of these bugs are fixed soon. I'm not prepared to stop using the EVF with my wides and longs. The last comment about the M not being a professional camera. It was really the formal portraits that stressed me out. It was quite interesting. I think a lot of them saw the camera and were a little amused. At one point HRH asked 'no flash?' And a chap asked if everything was ok. I flashed him the back of the camera and he was happy. In its current state is say the M is just about capable of being a professional's only camera. These bugs do need addressing though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted November 7, 2013 Share #69 Posted November 7, 2013 Also just want to point out that with was an unpaid voluntary job. This makes little or no difference really. It does to me (and I assumed when making my comment earlier that you were being properly paid). With freebie jobs (which I personally won't do if other people involved in the occasion are getting paid) all gloves are off and IMO you are free to shoot the job with whatever equipment and in whatever style you want. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwbell Posted November 7, 2013 Share #70 Posted November 7, 2013 In its current state is say the M is just about capable of being a professional's only camera. These bugs do need addressing though. This is, I think, the truth. If I were Leica I'd be very sorry to hear it's "just about" capable. I'd be wanting "bullet proof", "so so solid", "my go to body no matter what the conditions" etc Lovely images btw - will be going through them slower with more time at lunch today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pieterpronk Posted November 7, 2013 Share #71 Posted November 7, 2013 This is, I think, the truth. If I were Leica I'd be very sorry to hear it's "just about" capable. I'd be wanting "bullet proof", "so so solid", "my go to body no matter what the conditions" etc Lovely images btw - will be going through them slower with more time at lunch today. I always thought "just about" is actually the difference between an amateur and a professional camera... Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted November 7, 2013 Share #72 Posted November 7, 2013 +1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanetomlane Posted November 7, 2013 Share #73 Posted November 7, 2013 I think your pictures were great and enjoyed them very much. Cheers, Tom Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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AlanJW Posted November 7, 2013 Share #75 Posted November 7, 2013 Dannybuoy, a nice set of images. Good work. Reading this forum one might think that the M240 is either a perfect camera or a piece of junk. The truth is that it is neither. I still pick it up over my Nikon and enjoy it more, notwithstanding an occasional hiccup. The new firmware is an improvement and I don't use old adapters or third party lenses, and mostly prefer the RF to the EVF. I'm not a working pro, so maybe I'm too lenient. But after almost 55 years of shooting all kinds of cameras, the M is my favorite and for me the most reliable in helping me succeed in capturing what I see in my head. Don't misunderstand. I too want Leica to improve and/or fix things. But this is not a grievously flawed camera, just imperfect, as they all are. Just like the people who use it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted November 7, 2013 Share #76 Posted November 7, 2013 Some more balance coming into the comments - and good to hear Dan's own account. Re the issue of whether the M is a professional tool, my own experience is absolutely. This, however, doesn't mean that it can ever be your only tool if you want to cover a wide range of jobs. This said, I'd really like to stress how good the RF is on the M 240. For a long time I held on to the Canon L 85 1.2 because I didn't trust myself focusing a 90 on the M8 or M9. I've now fallen back in love with 90 cron asph. This alone makes the M 240 so worth getting and is something not enough comment is given to. Forget the EVF up to 135 is proving to be my experience. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
quadraticadder Posted November 8, 2013 Share #77 Posted November 8, 2013 Thanks everybody for the comments. I'm actually really happy with the results. I don't think the event organisers were looking for such, may I say, artistic photos. Which has clearly been shown by the other photog sporting a 5D3 to cover the actual concert. They were mostly looking to document the event (sponsors with HRH etc) so they can promote them to achieve sponsorship next year. I would rather my photos are a little more special than that. Lets see what they say. I'm still in love with my M but had a wobble after the event due to the 'user experience features'. I really do hope that some of these bugs are fixed soon. I'm not prepared to stop using the EVF with my wides and longs. The last comment about the M not being a professional camera. It was really the formal portraits that stressed me out. It was quite interesting. I think a lot of them saw the camera and were a little amused. At one point HRH asked 'no flash?' And a chap asked if everything was ok. I flashed him the back of the camera and he was happy. In its current state is say the M is just about capable of being a professional's only camera. These bugs do need addressing though. Ken Rockwell has a rough version of his M 240 review up. He notes few glitches too. One thing he points out is that screw mount lens adaptors don't work well with the M because they don't fully cover the lens code reader on the body. I was wondering, do your non Leica lenses cover it fully? Best, Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerndReini Posted November 8, 2013 Share #78 Posted November 8, 2013 I can tell you that Leica is now finally aware of the lockup problem and I hope they are working on a fix. I have a terrible feeling that not everything that has been buggy with the M240 can be fixed in this iteration. I doubt that another complete recall as with the lug nuts will happen, and I am not sure that firmware will fix anything. That being said my M9 has locked up on me too before. I don't understand why Leica don't do more extensive beta testing. It know that people tested the M240 before it hit the market, but doe how long? It seems like after a month of use many forum members are already finding bugs that should have been caught before the release. This sucks honestly, I don't know what else to say. I love Leica, but please get your act together instead of just raising prices. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted November 8, 2013 Share #79 Posted November 8, 2013 Just to say - my M8.2s and M9's have been perfect never had one issue with them. So to me they are very reliable cameras that have never let me down. I use them all the time albeit always with Leica coded lenses and for soft feature type images but so far with not one issue. So to my point in writing this reply: Last week I bought a brand new Nikon D7100 as it has the facility to add a 2x crop with hardly any loss in image quality - for my work with a long lens this is very very useful. Got the camera home and put a lens on it to try it out and guess what ERR message on the screen. No amount of fiddling with it or going through the menus would change it. A brand new camera and it was dead!! The dealer changed the camera for another which works fine. To me at least then this shows that any manufacturer can have a lemon that won't work but that doesn't mean that all that type of camera are bad. My Leicas have been 100% trouble free and my brand new Nikon wouldn't work right out of the box. So this proves to me that you can get a properly functioning Nikon camera without a lot of hassle and waiting for a long time. Thanks. That's my experience as well. BTW, this error message is typical for mounting an older lens if the aperture isn't set to one end or the other. I forgot which end, but is easily correctable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted November 8, 2013 Share #80 Posted November 8, 2013 Thanks Paul for the clarification. Stuff happens. BTW, I am pretty happy with my D800E after they fixed the left autofocus issue. However, I don't think the D800E + 14-24/2.8 lens can match my M9 + WATE 16-18-21/4 lens. BTW, K-H is short form of my first name which is Karl-Heinz, not Keith nor Karl. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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