Confirming the temperature problem.

[algrove]

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Just a thought:

 

Something like these Adhesive Instant Cold Packs

 

One of those on the top plate and over the back may take the edge off it if you really need it.

 

I'll use the dry ice cooler plan. Hard to imagine that $30 worth of dry ice will keep a $7k camera working during a long day of continuous shooting.

[Paul J]

Well it's not ideal, no but in the mean time it may just save someone.

 

Heat pads have saved me in cold temperatures on jobs, so why not think a cold pad can do the same in hot temps? It's worth a try. Obviously it won't last all day but maybe enough for half an hour at a time which if you are really stuck may just save your arse on a job.

 

37 degree's is not an acceptable limit to work with, IMO. Leica have to sort this out.

[Paul J]

I'll use the dry ice cooler plan. Hard to imagine that $30 worth of dry ice will keep a $7k camera working during a long day of continuous shooting.

 

Sorry, I just read your dry ice cooler plan. I have actually used this successfully while on a job in Palm Springs, California. Not dry ice but normal ice and it worked a treat.

[algrove]

Sorry, I just read your dry ice cooler plan. I have actually used this successfully while on a job in Palm Springs, California. Not dry ice but normal ice and it worked a treat.

 

My back up plan would be normal ice, but when dry ice is finished there is no water one must deal with often all over the place.

[Rick]

Ditto.

 

Dunk - Ditto? How cliche.

 

So, Like Algrove, you are going to reduce your four M bodies down to one or less too. Huh?

 

I think you have crossed a logical line somewhere in the last few days causing you to give up on the M. The M and Leica may have a ways to go, but I believe you are not going to be able to let your M go.

 

RickLeica:cool:

[dwbell]

Dunk - Ditto? How cliche.

 

So, Like Algrove, you are going to reduce your four M bodies down to one or less too. Huh?

 

I think you have crossed a logical line somewhere in the last few days causing you to give up on the M. The M and Leica may have a ways to go, but I believe you are not going to be able to let your M go.

 

RickLeica:cool:

 

DickLeica, ;-)

 

Correction Reduce my 3 M bodies down to one,... The "or less" remains to be seen.

 

This isn't the thread for it but since the advent of EVF on the M I've noticed how much I miss critical framing (WYSIWYG TTL) and how important it is to my photography. I spent a whole trip basically focusing with the RF, then composing with the EVF. If I had to grab quick shots where framing accuracy and even focus accuracy had to be sacrificed for "moment" it was RF only. The RF, for me, is now like 'iron sights'.

 

Why focus with the RF? Because the EVF is sub par. Give me a quality EVF and AF and I don't need the RF, just like with me canon system. As for shooting 'quick' The back of the LCD in LV gives better framing, and a crude AF stab will be just as (in)accurate.

 

So what's left for me and the M? The red dot? The price tag? The extra weight? The joy of lock ups and slow slow firmware updates? The membership to the Leica man club? None of those things appeal frankly.

 

But as I keep saying in the 'other' thread. I'm talking about specs of a camera I haven't even shot with yet. So it remains to be seen. I may indeed remain an unhappy M user.

 

Sorry for the detour on the temp issue Jaap. Now back to the regularly scheduled programming.

[Rick]

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DickLeica, ;-)

 

Correction Reduce my 3 M bodies down to one,... The "or less" remains to be seen.

 

This isn't the thread for it but since the advent of EVF on the M I've noticed how much I miss critical framing (WYSIWYG TTL) and how important it is to my photography. I spent a whole trip basically focusing with the RF, then composing with the EVF. If I had to grab quick shots where framing accuracy and even focus accuracy had to be sacrificed for "moment" it was RF only. The RF, for me, is now like 'iron sights'.

 

Why focus with the RF? Because the EVF is sub par. Give me a quality EVF and AF and I don't need the RF, just like with me canon system. As for shooting 'quick' The back of the LCD in LV gives better framing, and a crude AF stab will be just as (in)accurate.

 

So what's left for me and the M? The red dot? The price tag? The extra weight? The joy of lock ups and slow slow firmware updates? The membership to the Leica man club? None of those things appeal frankly.

 

But as I keep saying in the 'other' thread. I'm talking about specs of a camera I haven't even shot with yet. So it remains to be seen. I may indeed remain an unhappy M user.

 

Sorry for the detour on the temp issue Jaap. Now back to the regularly scheduled programming.

 

Man, you get up early. I think it remains to be seen what the A7R can do, I agree... ditto.

 

I just don't seem to have escalated the problems you mention to the level of irritation or importance to my photography as you have.

 

The lenses are the thing for me. Things like the weight of this well built camera don't bother me, I'm a big, big boy. Further, I don't suffer from lock-ups at all. At all. Yes, with the EVF, but that is a minor part of my shooting style. I have a work around... like jaapv I'm just flexible in my thought to turn the camera off. And, Leica has told me the next firmware will solve this.

 

I would like to have an EVF in the body for better framing without an external EVF clip-on, but it may never turn out to be the best way to shoot M lenses... we'll have to wait and see.

 

So, right now, the M is the best I have to shoot M lenses, they are the thing for me, and anything else is at this point is just an unproven camera body and certainly nothing to get me irritated about the few glitches that, for the most part, make no difference to my real world photograph.

 

Everything else is just noise to me.

 

 

p.s. "The membership to the Leica man club?" Really? You're going with that? That is all you got?

[dwbell]

Correction; my daughter gets up early.

 

I think this discussion has legs, but I don't want to clog up the temperature problem thread as they're very useful pots of data to dial down into how to fix it. New thread?

[almoore]

It can only be a matter of time before somebody claims that the fact their Leica shuts down when it's hot is a benefit over DSLRs because it slows down the process, makes you more thoughtful...

[wattsy]

It can only be a matter of time before somebody claims that the fact their Leica shuts down when it's hot is a benefit over DSLRs because it slows down the process, makes you more thoughtful...

 

I rather like the 'solution' suggested earlier in this thread to use three bodies (I guess all fitted with the same, presumably Noctilux or 50 APO lens) so that you can alternate between shots. I'd like to think it was a tongue in cheek comment but I don't think it was.

[Paul J]

My back up plan would be normal ice, but when dry ice is finished there is no water one must deal with often all over the place.

 

True, more importantly though you get the added benefit of looking like a Raiders of The Lost Ark sorta thing. If I do the dry ice route I might hook the lid up to some creaky door noises and howling wind sounds.

[almoore]

I'd like to think it was a tongue in cheek comment but I don't think it was.

 

I used to flatter myself that I had a sharp sense of irony, but the Leica Forum disabused me of that notion long ago.

 

I work a lot in the tropics and I've settled on the solution of ten M240 bodies augmented by a team of sherpas, a kingsize Smeg refrigerator and a portable generator. Nothing could be simpler or more elegant.

[dwbell]

True, more importantly though you get the added benefit of looking like a Raiders of The Lost Ark sorta thing. If I do the dry ice route I might hook the lid up to some creaky door noises and howling wind sounds.

 

 

I do love the idea of opening up my beat up old Domke and having it internally lit, smoke oozing out over the lip and onto the floor. I slowly plunge my hand in, grasp, and withdraw The Camera of the Covenant!

[wattsy]

The other amusing thing in this thread is the classic Jaapism (slipped in right at the start) that because other digital cameras publish a similar operating spec of 0-40 C, it therefore follows that all other digital cameras must suffer the same problem. Jeff S attempted to pick Jaap up on this but had to give up when faced with Jaap's usual tactic of deliberate obfuscation.

[almoore]

The other amusing thing in this thread is the classic Jaapism (slipped in right at the start) that because other digital cameras publish a similar operating spec of 0-40 C, it therefore follows that all other digital cameras must suffer the same problem

 

To be honest, it's the entertainment value of the Jaapisms that keep me coming back here. Leica should publish an annual amalgamation of the best of his genre.

 

My RAW editing used to be simply accompanied by music, but now it's accompanied by music and the ongoing comedy of the Leica User Forum. Somebody recently asked me what I thought was the biggest change to a photographer's life following the shift from film to digital - I didn't have the heart to tell her that the primary change was that we all now spout bollocks on the internet.

[dwbell]

And I'm happy to say that I don't hang out on the 5D2 forum, or the X100S forum, or the G15 forum.... I don't even know where they are. I came here, way back, because my brand new M9 with the worlds best lenses was colouring one side of the frame magenta. Then to solve lock ups, then to hope the M240 would fix everything, now to solve lock ups....

 

....and, of course, to listen to Jaap's evangelical sermons!

[jaapv]

I'm sorry you feel obfuscated, Ian. I never intended to confuse people who believe gear should operate outside the design parameters. . However, that is not the point of the thread. If you read it carefully you'll find it discusses why the camera malfunctions at temperatures below 40 degrees.

[Paul J]

While I understand that europeans might think that 37 degrees is perfectly acceptable there are parts of the world that this is a normal day.

 

Given that an Australian summer gives consecutive days of temperatures of over 37 degrees for months on end, I think there are going to be quite a few aussies who are more than just a little hot under the collar.

 

37 degree limit is ridiculous, IMO. 47, perhaps, yes.

[jaapv]

Exactly the point. It also indicates a flaw in the beta testing of the camera.

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[almoore]

I never intended to confuse people who believe gear should operate outside the design parameters.

 

The salient point is that mainstream cameras like the 5DIII, in actual use, far exceed their notional operational parameters when it comes to temperature and humidity, and not having a cutoff point at which they shut down doesn't seem to do them any obvious longterm harm.