jaapv Posted November 6, 2014 Share #141 Posted November 6, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Actually a hybrid using tubes and old fashioned transistors. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted November 6, 2014 Posted November 6, 2014 Hi jaapv, Take a look here M240 vs M9 — Colour Rendition. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
sblutter Posted November 6, 2014 Share #142 Posted November 6, 2014 Thanks all for confirming my decision to sit out the 240 and hope for a big step in IQ in the next version. I have absolutely no problem with the 9's IQ. WB is just another tool to work with in post. All those options are subjective opportunities for expression Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted November 6, 2014 Share #143 Posted November 6, 2014 ...you are ready to bin all your CDs. Are there still CDs? Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 6, 2014 Share #144 Posted November 6, 2014 I don't know...I use LPs - and an SD card in my car Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted November 7, 2014 Share #145 Posted November 7, 2014 My SOTA turntable is still going strong. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaish Posted November 7, 2014 Share #146 Posted November 7, 2014 My SOTA turntable is still going strong. Jeff I gave up my Marantz turntable for a Pro-ject RPM6.1 with a Graham Slee Reflex Gold pre-amp. GREAT combination and I have compared "old' vinyl albums to the same tracks on CD - no comparison; The vinyl is so much better. BUT, I do like the silent space between sounds on the CD. It's like this M9 vs M240 thread. Both have their advantages and disadvantages and there will always be those who stand 100% behind one vs the other. -Jaish Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted November 7, 2014 Share #147 Posted November 7, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Well, tube amplifiers are unsurpassed, even now. But a bit on the pricey side.... And if you listen to a direct cut LP, you are ready to bin all your CDs. Propeller heads unite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaish Posted November 7, 2014 Share #148 Posted November 7, 2014 Propeller heads unite. And speaking of propellerheads... it's been over a year since this thread started and there have been some M(240) firmware upgrades since. So, has anyone tried any M9 vs M comparisons using the latest firmware? Has the to WB been improved and anything new in terms of colour profiles, other improvements, etc? Curious... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted November 7, 2014 Share #149 Posted November 7, 2014 Propeller heads unite. They have left town, here, literally. Until two years ago we had a number of store fronts of them. One was a LP shop with arcane hardware, a separate very large LP shop, and a fellow who collected and rebuilt ancient valve gear. All was made possible by a failing, 140 year old downtown district turned to artists' heaven. Now the damned economic recovery is just wrecking the place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 7, 2014 Share #150 Posted November 7, 2014 I gave up my Marantz turntable for a Pro-ject RPM6.1 with a Graham Slee Reflex Gold pre-amp. GREAT combination and I have compared "old' vinyl albums to the same tracks on CD - no comparison; The vinyl is so much better. BUT, I do like the silent space between sounds on the CD. It's like this M9 vs M240 thread. Both have their advantages and disadvantages and there will always be those who stand 100% behind one vs the other. -Jaish Still running my Thorens 127 with SME 3012 and Sumiko Bleu Oyster carttridge Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted November 7, 2014 Share #151 Posted November 7, 2014 My SOTA still has an original (Wheaton) Tri-Planar arm (personally installed by the now deceased founder Herb Papier), along with a Lyra Argo cartridge. Not only does the system still hum along, but some vinyl produced now is of much higher quality than when the table was new over 30 years ago….with a price to match. [by comparison, film seems to be moving in the opposite direction….even Tri-X isn't the same.] CDs still come in handy, though, for walk-around-the-house sound. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Lavigne Posted November 7, 2014 Share #152 Posted November 7, 2014 Propeller heads unite. I'm a daily vinyl guy. and I can tell you that vinyl is growing by leaps and bounds. both new vinyl to buy, and people getting deep into it. of course, my 15ips 1/4" master tapes on my Studer A-820 are still a little better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted November 7, 2014 Share #153 Posted November 7, 2014 And speaking of propellerheads... it's been over a year since this thread started and there have been some M(240) firmware upgrades since. So, has anyone tried any M9 vs M comparisons using the latest firmware? Has the to WB been improved and anything new in terms of colour profiles, other improvements, etc? Curious... No. I posted pages of comparisons shortly after the M came out showing that when WB was adjusted correctly in LR the M9 and M images were almost identical. There was a marginal residual issue with M's handling of reds .... which seems to be more a problem of the cameras tendency to overexpose when faced with large expanses of red. With the current firmware the WB (outdoor anyway) problems have gone and most of the default profiles in the available processors produce good and pretty faithful results. In LR I use the default Adobe profile and adjust WB as needed. Most of the time the results are excellent. I think any residual 'perceived' differences between M9 and M images are a result of the older sensors more compressed dynamic range and slightly higher default saturation levels. You can easily make them look identical with some very minor tinkering. For me the 'difference' issue .... real or imagined ceased to be a factor after the first major F/W upgrade. I traded in my remaining M9 bodies for a second M ..... just no point keeping them as I really couldn't see that the imagery was markedly different .... and certainly not 'better' ..... whatever that means ........ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaish Posted November 8, 2014 Share #154 Posted November 8, 2014 Thank you Thighslapper. I had a look at your many sample shots; I'm sure it's been said already, but I (and I'm sure many others) appreciate your valuable input to this comparison. White balance aside, the slight over-saturation of the X1 and M9 is what I always thought was the "Leica Look" as it seemed to give the images something special. One could argue it's easy to boost saturation levels pp, but this was more subtle than that but just enough that it made certain colours stand out without looking artificial. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berlinman Posted November 10, 2014 Share #155 Posted November 10, 2014 No. I posted pages of comparisons shortly after the M came out showing that when WB was adjusted correctly in LR the M9 and M images were almost identical. There was a marginal residual issue with M's handling of reds .... which seems to be more a problem of the cameras tendency to overexpose when faced with large expanses of red. With the current firmware the WB (outdoor anyway) problems have gone and most of the default profiles in the available processors produce good and pretty faithful results. In LR I use the default Adobe profile and adjust WB as needed. Most of the time the results are excellent. I think any residual 'perceived' differences between M9 and M images are a result of the older sensors more compressed dynamic range and slightly higher default saturation levels. You can easily make them look identical with some very minor tinkering. For me the 'difference' issue .... real or imagined ceased to be a factor after the first major F/W upgrade. I traded in my remaining M9 bodies for a second M ..... just no point keeping them as I really couldn't see that the imagery was markedly different .... and certainly not 'better' ..... whatever that means ........ I agree complete with one extra point: The only thing, you are in trouble in PP is the color shift due to IR especially with artificall light and darker fabrics (black!). Hard to remove in PP. I use IR-Cut-Filter on my lenses including 28mm to avoid that. This point is not realy new, but for me important. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 10, 2014 Share #156 Posted November 10, 2014 I agree complete with one extra point: The only thing, you are in trouble in PP is the color shift due to IR especially with artificall light and darker fabrics (black!). Hard to remove in PP. I use IR-Cut-Filter on my lenses including 28mm to avoid that. This point is not realy new, but for me important. And tropical sunlight! It is very hard to impossible to remove the yellow cast it produces. IR cut filters for me! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted November 10, 2014 Share #157 Posted November 10, 2014 some vinyl produced now is of much higher quality than when the table was new over 30 years ago….with a price to match. [by comparison, film seems to be moving in the opposite direction….even Tri-X isn't the same.] Colour neg film has never been better and the same can be said for the remaining Fuji E6 films. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Lemon Posted November 10, 2014 Share #158 Posted November 10, 2014 I'm a daily vinyl guy. and I can tell you that vinyl is growing by leaps and bounds. both new vinyl to buy, and people getting deep into it. of course, my 15ips 1/4" master tapes on my Studer A-820 are still a little better. I have a Rega turntable built locally. The factory was down to 400 units a year and a few employees a while back and now produces them in their thousands with a lot more staff! The Impossible Project also growing strong with Polaroid film. So good news for these (now) niche products and the consumers who are discovering them for the first time. So sorry I sold my reel-to-reel system years ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 10, 2014 Share #159 Posted November 10, 2014 Colour neg film has never been better and the same can be said for the remaining Fuji E6 films. But they sound like s**t.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendriphile Posted November 10, 2014 Share #160 Posted November 10, 2014 CDs still come in handy, though, for walk-around-the-house sound. Jeff That struck a nerve. This is totally subjective, but I find that when listening to CDs I can walk around the house, cook, eat, do tasks, etc. But when listening to my LPs I find that I want to sit in a chair and really concentrate on the music. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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