charmicarmicat Posted September 9, 2013 Share #1 Posted September 9, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Pardon my French but WTF is this?! How do I make sure this doesn't happen again? It's not life and death but it is annoying. Developer: Adonal 1:50 or Diafine Film: Trix-400 at box speed for Adonal or at 1000 for Diafine Fixer: Ilford rapid fixer Rinse: Tap water at same temp as fixer and developer Photoflow. This has happened recently with both developers. Sometimes, like this one, it goes all across an image. Not the whole film but an image, here and there. No real rhyme or reason that I can tell. Sometimes just a bit here and there. I hope the image is clear enough. I highlighted the problem by putting a line a little below the "problem". I hope the image shows the problem clearly. Thanks for taking the time. Guy. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/212463-help/?do=findComment&comment=2417054'>More sharing options...
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otto.f Posted September 9, 2013 Share #2 Posted September 9, 2013 It is on the image, not the whole film, so it should be the camera, of which you give no information. Is this an M?? First thing I think of is a hanging shutter blade, but then it should be an R Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charmicarmicat Posted September 9, 2013 Author Share #3 Posted September 9, 2013 I think I may have explained myself poorly. That big super clear line in white that hangs straight all across is of my doing. if you look above that line you will see some sort of streaking. at least I think that's what it is. You can see the problem in the gal's hair right above the line that was added by me. The camera is recently CLA'd M4 with a 50mm Cron DR. Sorry for the confusion. Guy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsgary Posted September 9, 2013 Share #4 Posted September 9, 2013 I see more lines one going through her forehead and below her chin, is it through every image ? i woulder if your rubbed the film with your thumbs as you were loading the spool ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aesop Posted September 9, 2013 Share #5 Posted September 9, 2013 ...three exploratory questions, Guy: is your rinsing water filtered/distilled? do you use a wetting agent? how do you get rid of excess water from the film surface before drying? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted September 9, 2013 Share #6 Posted September 9, 2013 I see what you mean now. Looks most like a Photoflow effect: insufficient mix/resolution of Photoflow in the water. It looks as if you did not touch the film after the last rinse with Photoflow. Is that true? You may, with care, wipe off the film between index and middle finger, once. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsgary Posted September 9, 2013 Share #7 Posted September 9, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Could be down to insufficient agitation Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charmicarmicat Posted September 9, 2013 Author Share #8 Posted September 9, 2013 gsgary: I see more lines one going through her forehead and below her chin, is it through every image ? i woulder if your rubbed the film with your thumbs as you were loading the spool ? ---it is not through every image and you could be right as far as me rubbing a finger over the negative. It has happened before but I never had a problem. Not that I make a habit of rubbing my fingers over the negative, mind you. Could be down to insufficient agitation ---That's what I read but I've been really diligent about being consistent which is why I am scratching my head. aesop: is your rinsing water filtered/distilled? ---No it isn't just good old Dutch/Amsterdam tap water. do you use a wetting agent? ---Photoflow if that's what you mean. how do you get rid of excess water from the film surface before drying? ---I just hang the film to dry, that's it. otto f: I see what you mean now. Looks most like a Photoflow effect: insufficient mix/resolution of Photoflow in the water. It looks as if you did not touch the film after the last rinse with Photoflow. Is that true? ---i just let Photoflow do its thing for a minute in the can and then hang the film. You may, with care, wipe off the film between index and middle finger, once. ---Right after hanging it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsgary Posted September 9, 2013 Share #9 Posted September 9, 2013 I use good old English tap water with no problems Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steed Posted September 10, 2013 Share #10 Posted September 10, 2013 debris in the camera causing streaking as film is pulled across during advance? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted September 10, 2013 Share #11 Posted September 10, 2013 You may agitate in the last Photoflow rinse. I ' d prefer that. Right after hanging yes, immediately even Good old english tap water is also fine as long as it has not too much calcium Btw you can easily test if this is the cause by rinsing again now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charmicarmicat Posted September 10, 2013 Author Share #12 Posted September 10, 2013 You may agitate in the last Photoflow rinse. I ' d prefer that. Right after hanging yes, immediately even Good old english tap water is also fine as long as it has not too much calcium Btw you can easily test if this is the cause by rinsing again now I am going to develop some more in Adonal this weekend. I'll try your method, otto f, of agitation and cleaning right after hanging. Knock on wood and I will keep all of you posted. Thanks for taking the time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted September 10, 2013 Share #13 Posted September 10, 2013 I think the topmost streak is a drying mark, but the bottom one, just above the line, looks like it extends beyond the edge of the image into the border on the right hand side. Are you using a glass negative holder for scanning because there are aspects of it that look like Newton rings? Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpopescu Posted September 10, 2013 Share #14 Posted September 10, 2013 aesop: is your rinsing water filtered/distilled? ---No it isn't just good old Dutch/Amsterdam tap water. do you use a wetting agent? ---Photoflow if that's what you mean. I live in Amsterdam too, and found the water here comparatively hard. I buy 1 liter distilled water from Albert-Heijn and drop 5 ml Photoflo in them (~ 1+200). Never had drying marks (or what you're showing there) - except when trying to wipe the excess liquid off the negative after hanging it, so I stopped messing with it. Maybe give distilled water a try for the final wash? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charmicarmicat Posted September 10, 2013 Author Share #15 Posted September 10, 2013 I think the topmost streak is a drying mark, but the bottom one, just above the line, looks like it extends beyond the edge of the image into the border on the right hand side. Are you using a glass negative holder for scanning because there are aspects of it that look like Newton rings? Steve The top most mark I am not too worried about as I know it is a drying mark. Happened before and I have only me to blame I guess. But the "Newton ring" is the one that worries me. I googled the term and indeed. It could possibly be that as well. I have an Epson V600 that's about two years old and I never had an issue with it. Hhhhhhhmmmmm.... I'll check and see if anyone has similar trouble. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsgary Posted September 10, 2013 Share #16 Posted September 10, 2013 The top most mark I am not too worried about as I know it is a drying mark. Happened before and I have only me to blame I guess. But the "Newton ring" is the one that worries me. I googled the term and indeed. It could possibly be that as well. I have an Epson V600 that's about two years old and I never had an issue with it. Hhhhhhhmmmmm.... I'll check and see if anyone has similar trouble. Ive got the V500 and it works great Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted September 10, 2013 Share #17 Posted September 10, 2013 As suggested, Newton's rings are the only possible explanation for this. Note that you have mirrored image 'defects." Studying your negs through a loupe should help you resolve the other problems. (Drying marks as you mentioned but you could get similar marks if the scanner glass is streaky.) Your dmax is pretty low (shadows are not dark) so I don't know if your exposure and processing is on the money either. But most home scanners do not work very well on thin negs and that will emphasize any unevenness since you have such a low density range to begin with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jean99990 Posted September 10, 2013 Share #18 Posted September 10, 2013 I have an Epson 3170 and I had a lot of various problems like lines, Newton rings and you name it. One day I had the idea of covering with black tape the two white squares under the film holder which I believe are for the calibration and possibly other set ups. Never had a problem after that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charmicarmicat Posted September 11, 2013 Author Share #19 Posted September 11, 2013 As suggested, Newton's rings are the only possible explanation for this. Note that you have mirrored image 'defects." Studying your negs through a loupe should help you resolve the other problems. (Drying marks as you mentioned but you could get similar marks if the scanner glass is streaky.) Your dmax is pretty low (shadows are not dark) so I don't know if your exposure and processing is on the money either. But most home scanners do not work very well on thin negs and that will emphasize any unevenness since you have such a low density range to begin with. The neg was actually scanned and PS'ed so that the problem could be highlighted. I will post a PS'ed version so you have an idea of what it actually looks like. Kinda sorta Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charmicarmicat Posted September 11, 2013 Author Share #20 Posted September 11, 2013 I have an Epson 3170 and I had a lot of various problems like lines, Newton rings and you name it. One day I had the idea of covering with black tape the two white squares under the film holder which I believe are for the calibration and possibly other set ups. Never had a problem after that. Here's the thing: This doesn't happen all the time, just recently. I will first check the neg through a loop and see if it is indeed the film. Then try, as suggested, distilled water, agitation during last rinse with Photoflow, wiping with (clean) fingers, paying more attention to not touch the film during loading and of course your suggestion. I will keep you all posted about this. Promised. Thanks again, Guy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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