Guest licht Posted April 7, 2007 Share #1 Posted April 7, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) As two threads are running about celebrities who own a M8 I would like to know if anybody has seen a worldwide known professional photographer who uses one ore more M8 for his/her daily work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Shootist Posted April 7, 2007 Share #2 Posted April 7, 2007 Don't know about worldwide known Pros but there are many PRO photographers on this site that use the M8 everyday in there work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmskov Posted April 7, 2007 Share #3 Posted April 7, 2007 I use it everyday;) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
35mmSummicron Posted April 7, 2007 Share #4 Posted April 7, 2007 im not a "worldwide known pro" and the M8 isn't my main camera, but i do shoot professionally. i recently shot a B&W fashion spread using the M8 and a 50mm F3.5 5cm collapsable Elmar that is being published in a national fashion magazine. unfortunately i cannot post pics until it is on newstands. i like the M8 very much and am hoping to use it more and more for jobs. (my main system is a fullframe canon with zoom L lenses) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted April 7, 2007 Share #5 Posted April 7, 2007 I use it everyday as well but let's dispell the worldwide known pro shooters, it really is meaningless. Many many extremely wonderful shooters out there that no one ever hears there names except the insiders that hire them and you will never see a credit line either on them as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eronald Posted April 7, 2007 Share #6 Posted April 7, 2007 I use it everyday as well but let's dispell the worldwide known pro shooters, it really is meaningless. Many many extremely wonderful shooters out there that no one ever hears there names except the insiders that hire them and you will never see a credit line either on them as well. I shoot fashion or runway a couple of times a year, for a few days each time. it keeps my eye in and my press credentials arekept current by the credit bylines. In my circles the M8 is now considered the must-have "luxury compact camera" for those who have a bag full of the "real stuff" and hot and cold running assistants, and *money*. I think Guy Mancuso is a real exception here - he doesn't seem to cart any overweight equipment, and seems to work alone, and the Leica is his main camera. Or rather his main camera and his camera collection Edmund Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted April 7, 2007 Share #7 Posted April 7, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Not world famous - but I get paid to take photos and I use the M8 + 6 Leica lenses as part of the tool kit. I know that this guy is buying one... ConflictPics : Jason P. Howe ... maybe not world famous, but certainly well known and respected... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
35mmSummicron Posted April 7, 2007 Share #8 Posted April 7, 2007 im with you on that. why does it matter that someone in the spotlight uses an M8? what is the impetus for this curiosity? is it for validation of an expensive piece of equipment? is it validation for the image quality, or reliability of a product with initial "hickups"? while i feel for the M8 owners who have struggled with repairs and what not, my leica has thankfully been working without fuss, so to me, its just a camera that i happen to really like using. so back to my original rant--i hope this is just for the sake of discussion because we're all leica nerds, because at the end of the day its not who holds the camera that is important, it is the photograph they took hanging on the wall. /a I use it everyday as well but let's dispell the worldwide known pro shooters, it really is meaningless. Many many extremely wonderful shooters out there that no one ever hears there names except the insiders that hire them and you will never see a credit line either on them as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
girphoto Posted April 8, 2007 Share #9 Posted April 8, 2007 There are plenty of "PROs" on this forum and plenty use the M 8 all the time or a good part of the time. I guess that I am a world wide known phorographer, since I work for a WorldWideWireService and my images are printed in publications around the world. But that should not be the reason that you buy or consider the M 8. The M 8 is a tool just like my Canon equiptment or some one elses Nikon equiptment and we as professionals use these tools at different times and assignmnets. I love the M 8 and use it (as some of you know) at Kennedy Space Center, but I would not shoot a Super Bowl, World Series or any other sporting event with it (except for some grab shots). Buy, use and enjoy an M 8 and the list of lenses because you want to experience a great range finder camera,not because some world known professionals use them. click on the following link for additional M 8 information Leica FAQ - Leica M8 Digital Gary Gary I. Rothstein, Photography Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveEP Posted April 8, 2007 Share #10 Posted April 8, 2007 Whether I am full or part time, locally known or known world wide should not have any effect on some one else's decision to buy an M8. I have shots that are used world-wide, and almost always without any credit-line, but who cares? The M8 is a tool, and every one should buy the right tool for them, and for the job in hand. To buy anything else is folly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted April 8, 2007 Share #11 Posted April 8, 2007 Hear Hear - as they say on this side of the pond... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokysun Posted April 9, 2007 Share #12 Posted April 9, 2007 i think it's fair to ask. why not! click on m8 in the right hand column: Magnum Photos - American Color here's a guy who obviously loves his. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted April 9, 2007 Share #13 Posted April 9, 2007 Whether I am full or part time, locally known or known world wide should not have any effect on some one else's decision to buy an M8. I think you are wrong about this. The marketing divisions of camera companies go out of their way to get 'endorsements' from the well known 'stars' of photography. This doesn't just apply at the amateur end of the market - take a flick through any issue of PDN and there are no end of equipment adverts with products supposedly used by x, y and z. It is simply not true that buyers are not influenced by this marketing. In fact, there was somebody on this forum a few days ago bemoaning the fact that Guy Mancuso was selling his DMR (this poster had stated that he had apparently gone out and bought an enture digital R kit on the strength of Guy's previous enthusiastic postings on an internet forum!). Whether there is any great value in the original question or not, I'm not sure why it has brought out so much defensiveness in this thread? It's a legitimate question and the original poster was clearly referring to the kind of very well known photographer that most people with an interest in photography would have heard of (not enthusiastic part-time snappers and High Street hacks). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveEP Posted April 9, 2007 Share #14 Posted April 9, 2007 I think you are wrong about this. ....{ } ... In fact, there was somebody on this forum a few days ago bemoaning the fact that Guy Mancuso was selling his DMR (this poster had stated that he had apparently gone out and bought an enture digital R kit on the strength of Guy's previous enthusiastic postings on an internet forum!). If you check my words, and said 'should not', and not 'does not'. Your answer actually makes my point very well. You should buy the camera/kit that is right for you, and the job that you are doing, and not what other people buy & use (for whatever reasons they buy them). What Guy uses is up to Guy. Unless you are shooting exactly what Guy shoots, in the same way that Guy shoots, why would the gear he uses automatically be the right kit for you? Even if you do shoot the same stuff as Guy, you may still prefer to work with different kit. There is no single right or wrong answer to this stuff, because there are to many variables, including personal physical attributes, e.g. size of your hands, how much weight you can cope with, how good your eyesight is and what focusing system you need to use. Add to this the size of your wallet compared to that of other people. The list goes on. I understand and agree that the marketing departments of camera companies go out of their way for endorsments - it is their job to find any way to promote the products, just like car companies do, and makeup, shaving products, shoes, hand bags and clothes yada yada yada, but I am afraid I am pretty cynical about such endorsments (just ask my wife!), and none of that stuff makes 'me' buy their products. When people are going to spend $000,s they should pay attention to a great many things, and not just which celebrity is endorsing what. If it's not the right tool for me, I ain't gonna buy it - and it does not matter how many "Guys" bought it, used it, and raved about it, and/or later sold it for the next thing that came along. I mean absolutely no offence to Guy here (in fact I very much admire his work), but I have seen him go through 1D2, 1Ds, 1Ds2, 5D, 350XT, DMR & M8 over the last 2 or 3 years (and those are only the ones I remember), being (at least initially) complimentary about all of them - only to sell them all later (M8 being the current exception). It didn't make me buy them. I bought what I wanted (often not what Guy was raving about) and let the other stuff fly by. The DMR was tempting, but having looked at it, and tried/tested it myself, I decided to pass it by. If some one else not only bought the DMR but every other product on the shelf, I hope they did it eyes open, and will in future know that not every thing that Guy (and others) buy is going to be right for them, or even last long in Guy's (or other's) hand before they move on to the next thing. Guy is in a position where he needs to keep up with the pinnacle of optical technolgy because his livelyhood could depend on it. Most of us don't Far too many people buy the next great thing, thinking "it" will make "the" difference in what they shoot, only to find it doesn't, and they need to buy yet another 'next great thing', and so it goes. It seems that there really are people out there who think that if they exactly replicate the kit that Guy has, they will come out with the same results as Guy, ignoring all the training and years of experience that he has. These are exactly the people who the marketing departments are trying to atract. So, who will admit to being that type of person? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted April 9, 2007 Share #15 Posted April 9, 2007 im not a "worldwide known pro" and the M8 isn't my main camera, but i do shoot professionally. i recently shot a B&W fashion spread using the M8 and a 50mm F3.5 5cm collapsable Elmar that is being published in a national fashion magazine. unfortunately i cannot post pics until it is on newstands. i like the M8 very much and am hoping to use it more and more for jobs. (my main system is a fullframe canon with zoom L lenses) Andy, Is the Elmar you are using a modern M mount one or an older LTM with converter? I am thinking of getting a CV 50/75 converter so that I can use my LTM f3.5 Elmar and f2 Summitar 50mm collapsibles on my M8. I would not expect to be able to collapse the Summitar but the Elmar should go. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted April 9, 2007 Share #16 Posted April 9, 2007 If you check my words, and said 'should not', and not 'does not'. Your answer actually makes my point very well. You should buy the camera/kit that is right for you, and the job that you are doing, and not what other people buy & use (for whatever reasons they buy them). What Guy uses is up to Guy. Unless you are shooting exactly what Guy shoots, in the same way that Guy shoots, why would the gear he uses automatically be the right kit for you? Even if you do shoot the same stuff as Guy, you may still prefer to work with different kit. There is no single right or wrong answer to this stuff, because there are to many variables, including personal physical attributes, e.g. size of your hands, how much weight you can cope with, how good your eyesight is and what focusing system you need to use. Add to this the size of your wallet compared to that of other people. The list goes on. I understand and agree that the marketing departments of camera companies go out of their way for endorsments - it is their job to find any way to promote the products, just like car companies do, and makeup, shaving products, shoes, hand bags and clothes yada yada yada, but I am afraid I am pretty cynical about such endorsments (just ask my wife!), and none of that stuff makes 'me' buy their products. When people are going to spend $000,s they should pay attention to a great many things, and not just which celebrity is endorsing what. If it's not the right tool for me, I ain't gonna buy it - and it does not matter how many "Guys" bought it, used it, and raved about it, and/or later sold it for the next thing that came along. I mean absolutely no offence to Guy here (in fact I very much admire his work), but I have seen him go through 1D2, 1Ds, 1Ds2, 5D, 350XT, DMR & M8 over the last 2 or 3 years (and those are only the ones I remember), being (at least initially) complimentary about all of them - only to sell them all later (M8 being the current exception). It didn't make me buy them. I bought what I wanted (often not what Guy was raving about) and let the other stuff fly by. The DMR was tempting, but having looked at it, and tried/tested it myself, I decided to pass it by. If some one else not only bought the DMR but every other product on the shelf, I hope they did it eyes open, and will in future know that not every thing that Guy (and others) buy is going to be right for them, or even last long in Guy's (or other's) hand before they move on to the next thing. Guy is in a position where he needs to keep up with the pinnacle of optical technolgy because his livelyhood could depend on it. Most of us don't Far too many people buy the next great thing, thinking "it" will make "the" difference in what they shoot, only to find it doesn't, and they need to buy yet another 'next great thing', and so it goes. It seems that there really are people out there who think that if they exactly replicate the kit that Guy has, they will come out with the same results as Guy, ignoring all the training and years of experience that he has. These are exactly the people who the marketing departments are trying to atract. So, who will admit to being that type of person? David you do make a excellent point here and something i don't think about much myself but yes it is true many marketing organisations look at the celebrity status of people to help sell there products. Actually we all see this everyday in adverstising from makeup , hair were top models or actresses are endorsing products. Hell even Tampons for that matter and Viagra. I'm far from being a celebrity and don't want to be either but your point is true. Many people do buy on what Pro's shoot and i have been through several of them myself. But folks need to buy what makes sense for themselves. personally i am always chasing the end of the rainbow like many Pro's do and that is more there desire to deliver the best they can from the gear side but of course if the brain can't produce good work than it is all for nothing. i think many Pro's around here like myself don't think about this very much , I know I don't. But admittely I probably sold more DMR's than there sales reps and Maybe M8's as well just becuae of the enthusiam of the Leica products. Seriously i love the R and M and consider there glass to be the best there is and really that is mostly what pro's buy is the glass and the body is kind of second. Anyway your point is well made just something I personally never think much about. My pleasure comes from these forums is to help, teach and frankly just enjoy other peoples company and meet nice folks from around the world on stuff that interests me. I think many of us are here for the same reasons and admittely i look forward to this place everyday Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
35mmSummicron Posted April 9, 2007 Share #17 Posted April 9, 2007 Andy, Is the Elmar you are using a modern M mount one or an older LTM with converter? I am thinking of getting a CV 50/75 converter so that I can use my LTM f3.5 Elmar and f2 Summitar 50mm collapsibles on my M8. I would not expect to be able to collapse the Summitar but the Elmar should go. Wilson Hi Wilson, the 50mm Elmar i used was the older LTM kind with a voigtlander adaptor that brought up 50mm framelines. you could not collapse it, and i borrowed the lens from a fellow Leica user. its a nice lens, and actually surprisingly sharp. so at the end of the day, no EXIF data, and no firmware corrections because of lack of coding. hope this helps. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted April 9, 2007 Share #18 Posted April 9, 2007 Hi Wilson, the 50mm Elmar i used was the older LTM kind with a voigtlander adaptor that brought up 50mm framelines. you could not collapse it, and i borrowed the lens from a fellow Leica user. its a nice lens, and actually surprisingly sharp. so at the end of the day, no EXIF data, and no firmware corrections because of lack of coding. hope this helps. Thanks for that Andy. My Elmar is a post war coated one but having a look at it today, not in very good condition, with quite a bit of dust and maybe some early signs of separation. I have not used it for close to 45 years, since I had an LTM Reid camera as a teenager and it currently sits on my display IIA. The Summitar is in beautiful cosmetic condition but it was a touch soft and had odd colour reproduction, when I ran some slide film through my IIF, after I had it CLA'd a couple of years ago. My father always preferred his older Summar for colour. The Summitar has not been touched since my Father bought it new with the IIF during a business trip to New York in 1953 or 54, so it might benefit from a trip to Malcolm Taylor for a rebuild. However, I can buy a new Voigtlander Nokton 50mm with free adapter for not very more than the rebuild plus the CV adapter would cost me and I have no doubt as to which would be the better lens in the end. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokysun Posted April 9, 2007 Share #19 Posted April 9, 2007 the camera may give you the idea or the idea the camera, but what seems to ultimately make photographers widely known is the strength of the stories they choose (in other words, their concept). someone said on a thread recently leicas made for street photography. and on the evidence of history, this seems to be true. it's an instrument close to photojournalism. following a idea which excites him/her seems to lead to the best work. lots of story examples on this site: Magnum Photos - In Motion personally, i like the question posed. it's rather like poetry. we all use language, but few of us that well. the same with cameras. the new generation of point and shoots is faster and more convenient than any leica of the past. yet the camera has few poets. they do exist. and i think it's important to ask who they are and how they do it. (for example, i just bought alex web's new istanbul book without thinking a second about it. amazon seems to me his best but all bear his qualities.) a personal example. just did this one. pleasant enough but it doesn't have a do or die energy: waterdance Photo Gallery by wayne pease at pbase.com Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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