Peter L Posted October 29, 2013 Share #101 Posted October 29, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Here is an average capture with the foreground and background in focus, most of all my captures are this way, the cause of my out of focus or unsharp shots are due to my less than perfect technique and not keeping the camera steady. In film days, we only had to deal with a few variables, lens opening, shutter speed ,iso setting filters, etc. every poor image was of your own doing, no blaming the equipment, sometimes one would come across a bad or old roll of film, which could be blamed. Since film was far more expensive than digital and far fewer shots , 36 and reload, I shot a lot of medium format, only 12 or 16 to a roll, so one would be extremely careful , trying to get it right the first shot , hence , great emphases on technique, I could only afford to buy so many rolls of film in a month. Today , with digital , click away , it doesn't matter, take the shot again, it costs nothing, I have to admit , I love it, however, it is ingrained on my brain to make sure to have everything correct before I press the shutter. of course this doesn't work for grab shots and is difficult in street photography, although the good street photographers have excellent technique, it is obvious. Although it is very well possible that some (of this complex) equipment is faulty (if this is the case , shame on you Leica) one would do well to examine his or her methodology, before pointing at the equipment. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/208175-anybody-switched-from-m-to-x-vario-experiences/?do=findComment&comment=2453360'>More sharing options...
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Peter L Posted October 29, 2013 Share #102 Posted October 29, 2013 Here are some captures in very dark environments, the paintings were taken in dim lit museums , the Cathedral was lit only by the lights you see in the images. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/208175-anybody-switched-from-m-to-x-vario-experiences/?do=findComment&comment=2453378'>More sharing options...
barjohn Posted October 30, 2013 Share #103 Posted October 30, 2013 Originally, I did not want to join the discussion regarding Leica X Vario autofocus issues, particularly since I read that some X Vario users who do not experience such issues declared them as „operator’s errors“ - which is actually a nice „killer argument.“ Being a software usability person, I have my own take on whether the user or the system is to blame… I myself belong to the species of X Vario users who do experience AF issues, at least, from time to time. The exact causes of the AF issues are still unknown to me (one may be pressing the shutter button too fast - I did some experiments here). I was, however, able to decipher two „secret“ Exif data fields, one coding the distance, one the focus mode (for details, see here: Leica X Vario: Manufacturer-Specific Exif Data). Deciphering the distance field, allowed me to reject the opinion, which was mentioned in this forum, that the camera focuses beyond infinity. In fact, the opposite is true. In the case of „gross misfocus“, it typically focuses nearby, in the 1 m range or so. This is, at least, what I found for my own photos. I downloaded barjohns two photos to check the Exif data. Regrettably, he touched them in Lightroom, which overwrote the manufacturer’s data with LR-specific data. But a closer look at the second photo reveals that checking the Exif data isn’t even needed: The hedge in the foreground is indeed sharp. Thus, bar john encountered a similar phenomenon as I in my own shots. The fact that both photos show different sections is irrelevant for this analysis. Of course, I would appreciate if barjohn would also publish the untouched original photos, so that I can check the Exif data of the two photos (he can also do this himself by using the information on my website...). Anyway, I am still undecided as to whether barjohn’s camera (and mine…) is defective, as suggested in this thread, or whether this is a general problem of the X Vario. In the latter case, I would still hope for a firmware update… Best regards, Gerd I have now uploaded both the original DNG and JPG files so you can check. I have a tool for reading the hidden EXIF data so I will look at your suggestion too. Actually, even the hedge is not that sharp but I think you may be on to something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barjohn Posted October 30, 2013 Share #104 Posted October 30, 2013 For those interested here is the EXIF data: ==== "/Users/johngriffith/Pictures/2013/2013-10-27/L1021567.DNG" ==== ---- ExifTool ---- ExifTool Version Number : 9.39 ---- System ---- File Name : L1021567.DNG Directory : /Users/johngriffith/Pictures/2013/2013-10-27 File Size : 23 MB File Modification Date/Time : 2013:10:27 15:21:34-07:00 File Access Date/Time : 2013:10:29 20:22:18-07:00 File Inode Change Date/Time : 2013:10:29 18:30:19-07:00 File Permissions : rwxrwxrwx ---- File ---- File Type : DNG MIME Type : image/x-adobe-dng Exif Byte Order : Little-endian (Intel, II) ---- IFD0 ---- Subfile Type : Reduced-resolution image Image Width : 720 Image Height : 480 Bits Per Sample : 8 8 8 Compression : JPEG Photometric Interpretation : YCbCr Make : LEICA CAMERA AG Camera Model Name : LEICA X VARIO (Typ 107) Strip Offsets : 11472 Orientation : Horizontal (normal) Samples Per Pixel : 3 Rows Per Strip : 480 Strip Byte Counts : 84120 X Resolution : 72 Y Resolution : 72 Resolution Unit : inches Software : 1.0 Modify Date : 2013:10:27 15:21:34 DNG Version : 1.3.0.0 DNG Backward Version : 1.3.0.0 Unique Camera Model : LEICA X VARIO (Typ 107) Localized Camera Model : LEICA X VARIO (Typ 107) Color Matrix 1 : 1.0702 -0.3867 -0.0044 -0.4003 1.285 0.435 -0.0384 0.0962 0.8216 Color Matrix 2 : 0.7158 -0.1911 -0.0606 -0.3603 1.0669 0.253 -0.0659 0.1236 0.553 As Shot Neutral : 0.4876190476 1.001956947 0.5967365967 Baseline Noise : 1 Baseline Sharpness : 1 Linear Response Limit : 1 Camera Serial Number : 000004706521 DNG Lens Info : 18-46mm f/3.5-6.4 Maker Note Safety : Safe Calibration Illuminant 1 : Standard Light A Calibration Illuminant 2 : D65 ---- SubIFD ---- Subfile Type : Full-resolution Image Image Width : 4944 Image Height : 3274 Bits Per Sample : 12 Compression : Uncompressed Photometric Interpretation : Color Filter Array Strip Offsets : 184926 Samples Per Pixel : 1 Rows Per Strip : 3274 Strip Byte Counts : 24279984 X Resolution : 300 Y Resolution : 300 Resolution Unit : inches CFA Repeat Pattern Dim : 2 2 CFA Pattern 2 : 0 1 1 2 CFA Layout : Rectangular White Level : 4095 Default Crop Origin : 8 5 Default Crop Size : 4928 3264 Bayer Green Split : 0 Anti Alias Strength : 0.7 Best Quality Scale : 1 Raw Data Unique ID : 1F0622150F1B0ADD07D9D04700000000 Opcode List 3 : (Binary data 184 bytes, use -b option to extract) ---- ExifIFD ---- Exposure Time : 1/640 F Number : 5.6 Exposure Program : Program AE ISO : 100 Exif Version : 0221 Date/Time Original : 2013:10:27 15:21:34 Create Date : 2013:10:27 15:21:34 Components Configuration : Y, Cb, Cr, - Exposure Compensation : 0 Max Aperture Value : 3.5 Metering Mode : Multi-segment Light Source : Unknown Flash : Off, Did not fire Focal Length : 18.0 mm Flashpix Version : 0100 Color Space : sRGB Exif Image Width : 4928 Exif Image Height : 3264 Sensing Method : One-chip color area File Source : Digital Camera Custom Rendered : Custom White Balance : Auto Digital Zoom Ratio : 1 Focal Length In 35mm Format : 28 mm Scene Capture Type : Landscape Contrast : Normal Saturation : High Sharpness : Normal ---- Leica ---- Panasonic Leica 5 0x0302 : 255 0 0 0 Panasonic Leica 5 0x0303 : 4706521 Panasonic Leica 5 0x0304 : 0 0 0 0 Panasonic Leica 5 0x0400 : 0 0 0 0 Panasonic Leica 5 0x0401 : 0 3 0 0 Panasonic Leica 5 0x0402 : 0 0 0 0 Panasonic Leica 5 0x0404 : 5 0 0 0 Panasonic Leica 5 0x0405 : 0 0 0 0 Panasonic Leica 5 0x0406 : 3 5 3 3 Original File Name : L1021567.DNG Original Directory : 102LEICA Panasonic Leica 5 0x040a : 1100 18000 0 0 Panasonic Leica 5 0x040b : 0 1 0 0 Panasonic Leica 5 0x040c : 0 0 0 0 Exposure Mode : Program AE Panasonic Leica 5 0x040e : 127 0 0 0 Panasonic Leica 5 0x040f : 1 3 0 0 File Index : 1567 Panasonic Leica 5 0x0411 : 131 0 0 0 Film Mode : Natural * WB RGB Levels : 0.4876190476 1.001956947 0.5967365967 Panasonic Leica 5 0x04ff : ##START##.000000000000ÙÐGV.1004úæÚ..[...] Panasonic Leica 5 0x0500 : 000000000000 Panasonic Leica 5 0x05ff : ÿ.XV-1.004#b6#..@DZGKLA1Ö0 ..4[...] ---- Composite ---- Aperture : 5.6 Blue Balance : 0.595571 CFA Pattern : [Red,Green][Green,Blue] Image Size : 4944x3274 Red Balance : 0.486667 Scale Factor To 35 mm Equivalent: 1.6 Shutter Speed : 1/640 Circle Of Confusion : 0.019 mm Field Of View : 65.5 deg Focal Length : 18.0 mm (35 mm equivalent: 28.0 mm) Hyperfocal Distance : 3.00 m Light Value : 14.3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barjohn Posted October 30, 2013 Share #105 Posted October 30, 2013 Here are Maker's Notes from Verbose Mode: 14) MakerNoteLeica5 (SubDirectory) --> | | - Tag 0x927c (5818 bytes, undef[5818]): | | 0722: 4c 45 49 43 41 00 04 00 18 00 02 03 01 00 04 00 [LEICA...........] | | 0732: 00 00 ff 00 00 00 03 03 04 00 01 00 00 00 d9 d0 [................] | | 0742: 47 00 04 03 01 00 04 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 04 [G...............] | | 0752: 01 00 04 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 04 01 00 04 00 [................] | | 0762: 00 00 00 03 00 00 02 04 03 00 04 00 00 00 2e 01 [................] | | [snip 5738 bytes] | | + [MakerNotes directory with 24 entries] | | | 0) Panasonic_Leica5_0x0302 = 255 0 0 0 | | | - Tag 0x0302 (4 bytes, int8u[4]): | | | 0734: ff 00 00 00 [....] | | | 1) Panasonic_Leica5_0x0303 = 4706521 | | | - Tag 0x0303 (4 bytes, int32u[1]): | | | 0740: d9 d0 47 00 [..G.] | | | 2) Panasonic_Leica5_0x0304 = 0 0 0 0 | | | - Tag 0x0304 (4 bytes, int8u[4]): | | | 074c: 00 00 00 00 [....] | | | 3) Panasonic_Leica5_0x0400 = 0 0 0 0 | | | - Tag 0x0400 (4 bytes, int8u[4]): | | | 0758: 00 00 00 00 [....] | | | 4) Panasonic_Leica5_0x0401 = 0 3 0 0 | | | - Tag 0x0401 (4 bytes, int8u[4]): | | | 0764: 00 03 00 00 [....] | | | 5) Panasonic_Leica5_0x0402 = 0 0 0 0 | | | - Tag 0x0402 (8 bytes, int16u[4]): | | | 0850: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 [........] | | | 6) Panasonic_Leica5_0x0404 = 5 0 0 0 | | | - Tag 0x0404 (4 bytes, int8u[4]): | | | 077c: 05 00 00 00 [....] | | | 7) Panasonic_Leica5_0x0405 = 0 0 0 0 | | | - Tag 0x0405 (4 bytes, int8u[4]): | | | 0788: 00 00 00 00 [....] | | | 8) Panasonic_Leica5_0x0406 = 3 5 3 3 | | | - Tag 0x0406 (4 bytes, int8u[4]): | | | 0794: 03 05 03 03 [....] | | | 9) OriginalFileName = L1021567.DNG | | | - Tag 0x0407 (13 bytes, string[13]): | | | 0858: 4c 31 30 32 31 35 36 37 2e 44 4e 47 00 [L1021567.DNG.] | | | 10) OriginalDirectory = 102LEICA | | | - Tag 0x0408 (9 bytes, string[9]): | | | 0866: 31 30 32 4c 45 49 43 41 00 [102LEICA.] | | | 11) Panasonic_Leica5_0x040a = 1100 18000 0 0 | | | - Tag 0x040a (8 bytes, int16u[4]): | | | 0870: 4c 04 50 46 00 00 00 00 [L.PF....] | | | 12) Panasonic_Leica5_0x040b = 0 1 0 0 | | | - Tag 0x040b (4 bytes, int8u[4]): | | | 07c4: 00 01 00 00 [....] | | | 13) Panasonic_Leica5_0x040c = 0 0 0 0 | | | - Tag 0x040c (8 bytes, int16s[4]): | | | 0878: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 [........] | | | 14) ExposureMode = 0 0 0 0 | | | - Tag 0x040d (4 bytes, int8u[4]): | | | 07dc: 00 00 00 00 [....] | | | 15) Panasonic_Leica5_0x040e = 127 0 0 0 | | | - Tag 0x040e (4 bytes, int8u[4]): | | | 07e8: 7f 00 00 00 [....] | | | 16) Panasonic_Leica5_0x040f = 1 3 0 0 | | | - Tag 0x040f (4 bytes, int8u[4]): | | | 07f4: 01 03 00 00 [....] | | | 17) ShotInfo (SubDirectory) --> | | | - Tag 0x0410 (16 bytes, int8u[16] read as undef[16]): | | | 0880: 1f 06 22 15 0f 1b 0a dd 07 d9 d0 47 00 00 00 00 [.."........G....] | | | + [binaryData directory, 16 bytes] | | | | FileIndex = 1567 | | | | - Tag 0x0000 (2 bytes, int16u[1]): | | | | 0880: 1f 06 [..] | | | 18) Panasonic_Leica5_0x0411 = 131 0 0 0 | | | - Tag 0x0411 (4 bytes, int8u[4]): | | | 080c: 83 00 00 00 [....] | | | 19) FilmMode = Natural * | | | - Tag 0x0412 (24 bytes, string[24]): | | | 0890: 4e 61 74 75 72 61 6c 20 2a 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 [Natural *.......] | | | 08a0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 [........] | | | 20) WB_RGBLevels = 0.4876190476 1.001956947 0.5967365967 (256/525 512/511 256/429) | | | - Tag 0x0413 (24 bytes, rational64u[3]): | | | 08a8: 00 01 00 00 0d 02 00 00 00 02 00 00 ff 01 00 00 [................] | | | 08b8: 00 01 00 00 ad 01 00 00 [........] | | | 21) Panasonic_Leica5_0x04ff = ##START##.000000000000..GV.1004.....#END#END# | | | - Tag 0x04ff (852 bytes, undef[852]): | | | 08c0: 23 23 53 54 41 52 54 23 23 04 00 30 30 30 30 30 [##START##..00000] | | | 08d0: 30 30 30 30 30 30 30 d9 d0 47 00 56 06 00 00 31 [0000000..G.V...1] | | | 08e0: 30 30 34 fa 00 00 00 e6 00 00 00 da 00 00 00 15 [004.............] | | | 08f0: 03 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 [................] | | | 0900: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 [................] | | | [snip 772 bytes] | | | 22) Panasonic_Leica5_0x0500 = 000000000000 | | | - Tag 0x0500 (12 bytes, undef[12]): | | | 0c14: 30 30 30 30 30 30 30 30 30 30 30 30 [000000000000] | | | 23) Panasonic_Leica5_0x05ff = ..XV-1.004#b6#..@.DZG.KLA1.0 ..4X....*....%..B6..[snip] | | | - Tag 0x05ff (4540 bytes, undef[4540]): | | | 0c20: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ff 02 00 00 58 56 [..............XV] | | | 0c30: 2d 31 2e 30 30 34 00 00 23 62 36 23 19 10 40 81 [-1.004..#b6#..@.] | | | 0c40: 44 5a 47 86 00 4b 4c 41 00 00 00 00 31 d6 30 00 [DZG..KLA....1.0.] | | | 0c50: 20 01 00 01 00 34 00 58 00 00 0b 1f 00 0e 00 0e [ ....4.X........] | | | 0c60: 00 2a 00 18 04 06 0b 25 00 00 00 00 00 00 02 01 [.*.....%........] | | | [snip 4460 bytes] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barjohn Posted October 30, 2013 Share #106 Posted October 30, 2013 Last part of Maker's Notes: | | 15) FlashpixVersion = 0100 | | - Tag 0xa000 (4 bytes, undef[4]): | | 0626: 30 31 30 30 [0100] | | 16) ColorSpace = 1 | | - Tag 0xa001 (2 bytes, int16u[1]): | | 0632: 01 00 [..] | | 17) ExifImageWidth = 4928 | | - Tag 0xa002 (4 bytes, int32u[1]): | | 063e: 40 13 00 00 [@...] | | 18) ExifImageHeight = 3264 | | - Tag 0xa003 (4 bytes, int32u[1]): | | 064a: c0 0c 00 00 [....] | | 19) SensingMethod = 2 | | - Tag 0xa217 (2 bytes, int16u[1]): | | 0656: 02 00 [..] | | 20) FileSource = 3 | | - Tag 0xa300 (1 bytes, undef[1]): | | 0662: 03 [.] | | 21) CustomRendered = 1 | | - Tag 0xa401 (2 bytes, int16u[1]): | | 066e: 01 00 [..] | | 22) WhiteBalance = 0 | | - Tag 0xa403 (2 bytes, int16u[1]): | | 067a: 00 00 [..] | | 23) DigitalZoomRatio = 1 (1/1) | | - Tag 0xa404 (8 bytes, rational64u[1]): | | 071a: 01 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 [........] | | 24) FocalLengthIn35mmFormat = 28 | | - Tag 0xa405 (2 bytes, int16u[1]): | | 0692: 1c 00 [..] | | 25) SceneCaptureType = 1 | | - Tag 0xa406 (2 bytes, int16u[1]): | | 069e: 01 00 [..] | | 26) Contrast = 0 | | - Tag 0xa408 (2 bytes, int16u[1]): | | 06aa: 00 00 [..] | | 27) Saturation = 2 | | - Tag 0xa409 (2 bytes, int16u[1]): | | 06b6: 02 00 [..] | | 28) Sharpness = 0 | | - Tag 0xa40a (2 bytes, int16u[1]): | | 06c2: 00 00 [..] | 20) DNGVersion = 1 3 0 0 | - Tag 0xc612 (4 bytes, int8u[4]): | 0102: 01 03 00 00 [....] | 21) DNGBackwardVersion = 1 3 0 0 | - Tag 0xc613 (4 bytes, int8u[4]): | 010e: 01 03 00 00 [....] | 22) UniqueCameraModel = LEICA X VARIO (Typ 107) | - Tag 0xc614 (24 bytes, string[24]): | 022c: 4c 45 49 43 41 20 58 20 56 41 52 49 4f 20 28 54 [LEICA X VARIO (T] | 023c: 79 70 20 31 30 37 29 00 [yp 107).] | 23) LocalizedCameraModel = LEICA X VARIO (Typ 107) | - Tag 0xc615 (24 bytes, int8u[24] read as string[24]): | 0244: 4c 45 49 43 41 20 58 20 56 41 52 49 4f 20 28 54 [LEICA X VARIO (T] | 0254: 79 70 20 31 30 37 29 00 [yp 107).] | 24) ColorMatrix1 = 1.0702 -0.3867 -0.0044 -0.4003 1.285 0.435 -0.0384 0.0962 0.8216[snip] | - Tag 0xc621 (72 bytes, rational64s[9]): | 025c: ce 29 00 00 10 27 00 00 e5 f0 ff ff 10 27 00 00 [.)...'.......'..] | 026c: d4 ff ff ff 10 27 00 00 5d f0 ff ff 10 27 00 00 [.....'..]....'..] | 027c: 32 32 00 00 10 27 00 00 fe 10 00 00 10 27 00 00 [22...'.......'..] | 028c: 80 fe ff ff 10 27 00 00 c2 03 00 00 10 27 00 00 [.....'.......'..] | 029c: 18 20 00 00 10 27 00 00 [. ...'..] | 25) ColorMatrix2 = 0.7158 -0.1911 -0.0606 -0.3603 1.0669 0.253 -0.0659 0.1236 0.553[snip] | - Tag 0xc622 (72 bytes, rational64s[9]): | 02a4: f6 1b 00 00 10 27 00 00 89 f8 ff ff 10 27 00 00 [.....'.......'..] | 02b4: a2 fd ff ff 10 27 00 00 ed f1 ff ff 10 27 00 00 [.....'.......'..] | 02c4: ad 29 00 00 10 27 00 00 e2 09 00 00 10 27 00 00 [.)...'.......'..] | 02d4: 6d fd ff ff 10 27 00 00 d4 04 00 00 10 27 00 00 [m....'.......'..] | 02e4: 9a 15 00 00 10 27 00 00 [.....'..] | 26) AsShotNeutral = 0.4876190476 1.001956947 0.5967365967 (256/525 512/511 256/429) | - Tag 0xc628 (24 bytes, rational64u[3]): | 02ec: 00 01 00 00 0d 02 00 00 00 02 00 00 ff 01 00 00 [................] | 02fc: 00 01 00 00 ad 01 00 00 [........] | 27) BaselineNoise = 1 (1/1) | - Tag 0xc62b (8 bytes, rational64u[1]): | 0304: 01 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 [........] | 28) BaselineSharpness = 1 (1/1) | - Tag 0xc62c (8 bytes, rational64u[1]): | 030c: 01 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 [........] | 29) LinearResponseLimit = 1 (1/1) | - Tag 0xc62e (8 bytes, rational64u[1]): | 0314: 01 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 [........] | 30) CameraSerialNumber = 000004706521 | - Tag 0xc62f (13 bytes, string[13]): | 031c: 30 30 30 30 30 34 37 30 36 35 32 31 00 [000004706521.] | 31) DNGLensInfo = 18 46 3.5 6.4 (18/1 46/1 35/10 64/10) | - Tag 0xc630 (32 bytes, rational64u[4]): | 032a: 12 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 2e 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 [................] | 033a: 23 00 00 00 0a 00 00 00 40 00 00 00 0a 00 00 00 [#.......@.......] | 32) MakerNoteSafety = 1 | - Tag 0xc635 (2 bytes, int16u[1]): | 0192: 01 00 [..] | 33) CalibrationIlluminant1 = 17 | - Tag 0xc65a (2 bytes, int16u[1]): | 019e: 11 00 [..] | 34) CalibrationIlluminant2 = 21 | - Tag 0xc65b (2 bytes, int16u[1]): | 01aa: 15 00 [..] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barjohn Posted October 30, 2013 Share #107 Posted October 30, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) One thing that jumped out to me is that there is some relationship between Leica and Panasonic in this camera. What it is can't be determined from this data but the implication is clear in the Maker's notes that are normally hidden. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barjohn Posted October 30, 2013 Share #108 Posted October 30, 2013 Using the data to interpret the distance data, in the out of focus image, the focus distance was at 1.1M and spot focus was used. On image 1565, which I didn't post, the distance value is 62,100 which according to Gerd means the value was between 4M and infinity. The range of values for the field will be between 30,000 and 65,535. On image 1567, which I did post the value was 3,100 which according to Gerd would be between 3 and 4 meters. Looking at where I was standing by the white fence visible in 1565 (now added), I was probably about 10 to 12 feet from the focus target in 1566 and I was further away in 1567. This would seem to substantiate Gerd's hypothesis that the camera selected a focus point far to close to the camera and there was nothing in that area to actually focus on but the green hedge was pretty close to the 1.1 meter distance. In 1565 I think the focus point was set to an object somewhere near the front porch which explains the bush near the front porch being the sharpest focus point. Here are the relevant fields containing HEX value 0404 (focus mode) and 040A (Focus distance for each image): NOTE: Focus Mode values are as follows: 0=MF, 1=1 Point, 4= 11 Point, 5= Spot, 6= Face Recognition. The second value in 040A is the focal length, 18000=18mm, etc. 1565: 6) Panasonic_Leica5_0x0404 = 5 0 0 0 | | | - Tag 0x0404 (4 bytes, int8u[4]): | | | 077c: 05 00 00 00 [....] | | | 7) Panasonic_Leica5_0x0405 = 0 0 0 0 | | | - Tag 0x0405 (4 bytes, int8u[4]): | | | 0788: 00 00 00 00 [....] | | | 8) Panasonic_Leica5_0x0406 = 3 5 3 3 | | | - Tag 0x0406 (4 bytes, int8u[4]): | | | 0794: 03 05 03 03 [....] | | | 9) OriginalFileName = L1021565.DNG | | | - Tag 0x0407 (13 bytes, string[13]): | | | 0858: 4c 31 30 32 31 35 36 35 2e 44 4e 47 00 [L1021565.DNG.] | | | 10) OriginalDirectory = 102LEICA | | | - Tag 0x0408 (9 bytes, string[9]): | | | 0866: 31 30 32 4c 45 49 43 41 00 [102LEICA.] | | | 11) Panasonic_Leica5_0x040a = 62100 18000 0 0 | | | - Tag 0x040a (8 bytes, int16u[4]): | | | 0870: 94 f2 50 46 00 00 00 00 [..PF....] 1566: | | | 6) Panasonic_Leica5_0x0404 = 5 0 0 0 | | | - Tag 0x0404 (4 bytes, int8u[4]): | | | 077c: 05 00 00 00 [....] | | | 7) Panasonic_Leica5_0x0405 = 0 0 0 0 | | | - Tag 0x0405 (4 bytes, int8u[4]): | | | 0788: 00 00 00 00 [....] | | | 8) Panasonic_Leica5_0x0406 = 3 5 3 3 | | | - Tag 0x0406 (4 bytes, int8u[4]): | | | 0794: 03 05 03 03 [....] | | | 9) OriginalFileName = L1021566.DNG | | | - Tag 0x0407 (13 bytes, string[13]): | | | 0858: 4c 31 30 32 31 35 36 36 2e 44 4e 47 00 [L1021566.DNG.] | | | 10) OriginalDirectory = 102LEICA | | | - Tag 0x0408 (9 bytes, string[9]): | | | 0866: 31 30 32 4c 45 49 43 41 00 [102LEICA.] | | | 11) Panasonic_Leica5_0x040a = 3100 18000 0 0 | | | - Tag 0x040a (8 bytes, int16u[4]): | | | 0870: 1c 0c 50 46 00 00 00 00 [..PF....] 1567: | | | 6) Panasonic_Leica5_0x0404 = 5 0 0 0 | | | - Tag 0x0404 (4 bytes, int8u[4]): | | | 077c: 05 00 00 00 [....] | | | 7) Panasonic_Leica5_0x0405 = 0 0 0 0 | | | - Tag 0x0405 (4 bytes, int8u[4]): | | | 0788: 00 00 00 00 [....] | | | 8) Panasonic_Leica5_0x0406 = 3 5 3 3 | | | - Tag 0x0406 (4 bytes, int8u[4]): | | | 0794: 03 05 03 03 [....] | | | 9) OriginalFileName = L1021567.DNG | | | - Tag 0x0407 (13 bytes, string[13]): | | | 0858: 4c 31 30 32 31 35 36 37 2e 44 4e 47 00 [L1021567.DNG.] | | | 10) OriginalDirectory = 102LEICA | | | - Tag 0x0408 (9 bytes, string[9]): | | | 0866: 31 30 32 4c 45 49 43 41 00 [102LEICA.] | | | 11) Panasonic_Leica5_0x040a = 1100 18000 0 0 | | | - Tag 0x040a (8 bytes, int16u[4]): | | | 0870: 4c 04 50 46 00 00 00 00 [L.PF....] 1568: | | | 6) Panasonic_Leica5_0x0404 = 5 0 0 0 | | | - Tag 0x0404 (4 bytes, int8u[4]): | | | 077c: 05 00 00 00 [....] | | | 7) Panasonic_Leica5_0x0405 = 0 0 0 0 | | | - Tag 0x0405 (4 bytes, int8u[4]): | | | 0788: 00 00 00 00 [....] | | | 8) Panasonic_Leica5_0x0406 = 3 5 3 3 | | | - Tag 0x0406 (4 bytes, int8u[4]): | | | 0794: 03 05 03 03 [....] | | | 9) OriginalFileName = L1021568.DNG | | | - Tag 0x0407 (13 bytes, string[13]): | | | 0858: 4c 31 30 32 31 35 36 38 2e 44 4e 47 00 [L1021568.DNG.] | | | 10) OriginalDirectory = 102LEICA | | | - Tag 0x0408 (9 bytes, string[9]): | | | 0866: 31 30 32 4c 45 49 43 41 00 [102LEICA.] | | | 11) Panasonic_Leica5_0x040a = 4947 46000 0 0 | | | - Tag 0x040a (8 bytes, int16u[4]): | | | 0870: 53 13 b0 b3 00 00 00 00 [s.......] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NZDavid Posted October 30, 2013 Share #109 Posted October 30, 2013 Good grief, what does that all mean!? I find just looking at pictures easier. Peter, nice shots. Though the sky in the image with boats and the faces in the portrait could have somewhat blown-out highlights, or possibly too much fill-in flash…. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guytou Posted October 30, 2013 Share #110 Posted October 30, 2013 You are right, it is much more pleasant to see photos. But I remind that there is a section for that purpose for the photos of X Vario and that it did not receive images since September 28th... http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/other/288827-leica-x-vario-photos-6.html Guy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 30, 2013 Share #111 Posted October 30, 2013 You are right, it is much more pleasant to see photos. But I remind that there is a section for that purpose for the photos of X Vario and that it did not receive images since September 28th... http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/other/288827-leica-x-vario-photos-6.html Guy more (>750 piece) sample images in flickr "leica X Vario flickr" kmhb Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guytou Posted October 30, 2013 Share #112 Posted October 30, 2013 Yes, there are obviously images of X Vario on Flickr. I am often going to see them. But I meant to our friend NZDavid that certain sections of our forum are also for the technique and that the photos of X Vario can be seen on the special section opened for him (mentioned higher.) Guy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted October 30, 2013 Share #113 Posted October 30, 2013 One thing that jumped out to me is that there is some relationship between Leica and Panasonic in this camera. What it is can't be determined from this data but the implication is clear in the Maker's notes that are normally hidden. the focus system is probably Panasonic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barjohn Posted October 30, 2013 Share #114 Posted October 30, 2013 There are 4460 bytes of data that are tagged Panasonic_Leica. That goes far further than AF. The implication is that much of the firmware and in turn, probably the hardware is manufactured by Panasonic for Leica. That would also explain why there was so much availability at launch when they were struggling to produce Ms. If it is Panasonic innards, where is Mark Norton when we need him, then they certainly didn't acquire Panasonic's fast AF capability and algorithms that they use in their own cameras. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guytou Posted October 30, 2013 Share #115 Posted October 30, 2013 Leica does not manufacture electronic components. It seems obvious that the preference must go to the Panasonic electronic components and other resources rather than to another manufacturer. Idem for the sensors which are of Sony origin. Guy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NZDavid Posted October 30, 2013 Share #116 Posted October 30, 2013 Yes, there are obviously images of X Vario on Flickr. I am often going to see them. But I meant to our friend NZDavid that certain sections of our forum are also for the technique and that the photos of X Vario can be seen on the special section opened for him (mentioned higher.) Guy What I meant is that it is far easier and more instructive to study a camera's performance by looking at the pictures that it produces rather than relying on abstruse data, unless you are a computer programmer. It is obvious, as stated above, that Leica relies on various sources for its digital componentry. I believe the M9, for example, uses a Kodak sensor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjans Posted October 30, 2013 Share #117 Posted October 30, 2013 Indeed, the M9 (and also the M8) have a Kodak sensor. Presume the MM also has a Kodak sensor. Best Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
waloszek Posted October 30, 2013 Share #118 Posted October 30, 2013 >> What I meant is that it is far easier and more instructive to study a camera's performance by looking at the pictures that it produces rather than relying on abstruse data, unless you are a computer programmer. It is obvious, as stated above, that Leica relies on various sources for its digital componentry. I believe the M9, for example, uses a Kodak sensor. I am sorry, but you are missing the point. Some X Vario cameras have AF issues, while others do not, and we are trying to find out the reasons for these issues. Actually, we are interested in just one number, the Exif value which is an indication of the focus distance. By looking at this value (which regrettably is not documented), we can see for an unsharp photo whether the camera set the focus "intentionally" to a wrong distance, or whether it set it correctly, but the lens mechanics failed. Now that we have looked at this value for several photos, we can with high probability exclude a mechanical problem and have to look for other causes. I agree that the many numbers in the Exif data can be confusing for non-detectives... Best regards, Gerd Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
waloszek Posted October 30, 2013 Share #119 Posted October 30, 2013 @barjohn: I'm glad that you were able to check the Exif data on your own. I could only confirm what you found out. I also checked the DOF values with DOFMaster (coc: 0.019). For the first two photos, DOF goes from nearby (1.5m and 2.5) to infinity. Not surprisingly, there is no real difference in sharpness. For the third photo, the camera set a distance of 1.1m (DOF: 0.8 to 1.7m), and not surprisingly most of the photo is unsharp. It is sharpest in the lower right corner where the hedge is closest. All in all, we can, in my opinion, now exclude a mechanical problem with the lens and have to look elsewhere (a too slow processor is my favorite hypothesis at the moment...). Best regards, Gerd BTW: I would not put too much emphasis on the "Panasonic" in the Exif data. I think, it's more an Exiftool thing -- in my older version, Panasonic did not appear... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter L Posted October 30, 2013 Share #120 Posted October 30, 2013 Good grief, what does that all mean!? I find just looking at pictures easier. Peter, nice shots. Though the sky in the image with boats and the faces in the portrait could have somewhat blown-out highlights, or possibly too much fill-in flash…. The images of the painting were shot in dim museum light, Rijks Museum and Van Gogh museum in Amsterdam, no flash (no flash allowed ), I don't consider them to be good images, rather , what this camera can do, it was really really dim in there, the focus locked in a split second in that that poor light, same in the church , darker than showing in the images and again the focus was no problem. The apple pie was in better light , just wanted to show what good Dutch apple pie looks like. I know what you're saying with "what does it all mean" looks like someone got real sick, most scientific oriented people would isolate the pertinent data. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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