miatadan Posted June 25, 2013 Share #1  Posted June 25, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) With the X Vario having lens 28mm f/3.5 at wide end , I was thinking the following:  with a full frame M-E or M240 options are: Leica 28mm f/2.8 Elemarit $2195 US or Leica 28mm f/2.0 Summicron $4295 US  if I look at 1.5 crop factor and want to use 28mm focal length on mirrorless body such as Sony Nex or Fuju X18mm = 28mm  than you are left with these 2 choices:  Leica 18mm f/3.8 Super-Elmar $3195 US or Zeiss 18mm f/4 Distagon T ZM $1428 US  if want 75mm focal length it is much easier to find 50mm m lens to use on Sony Nex or Fuji X  Leica 50mm f/2.8 Summarit $1650 US Zeiss 50mm f/2 Planer T $ 859  biggest problem with most zoom lens is that aperture is slower as lens get longer expect for professional lens with constant f/2.8  even if I wanted affordable Leica lens to get 36mm from mirrorless body , the Leica 24mm f/3.8 Elmer is still slower than lens used in X Vario and is $2595 US  Yes, I know all the M lenses are better build quality and better optics than lens on a X Vario  Dan  This is reason I changed my mind about mirrorless bodies with m lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dkCambridgeshire Posted June 25, 2013 Share #2  Posted June 25, 2013 With the X Vario having lens 28mm f/3.5 at wide end , I was thinking the following: with a full frame M-E or M240 options are: Leica 28mm f/2.8 Elemarit $2195 US or Leica 28mm f/2.0 Summicron $4295 US  if I look at 1.5 crop factor and want to use 28mm focal length on mirrorless body such as Sony Nex or Fuju X18mm = 28mm  than you are left with these 2 choices:  Leica 18mm f/3.8 Super-Elmar $3195 US or Zeiss 18mm f/4 Distagon T ZM $1428 US  if want 75mm focal length it is much easier to find 50mm m lens to use on Sony Nex or Fuji X  Leica 50mm f/2.8 Summarit $1650 US Zeiss 50mm f/2 Planer T $ 859  biggest problem with most zoom lens is that aperture is slower as lens get longer expect for professional lens with constant f/2.8  even if I wanted affordable Leica lens to get 36mm from mirrorless body , the Leica 24mm f/3.8 Elmer is still slower than lens used in X Vario and is $2595 US  Yes, I know all the M lenses are better build quality and better optics than lens on a X Vario  Dan  This is reason I changed my mind about mirrorless bodies with m lenses.  Don't be surprised if the X Vario zoom lens produces as good resolution as some of the M primes ... Remember the Tri Elmar performs as well as M prime lenses within its aperture range. And the X Vario has a broader focal length range than the Tri Elmar. But of course, it's unlikely that the M hard core would acknowledge that other non-M lenses can ever surpass M prime lens' performances ... especially the non-M Vario X lens made in ???? (they think!)  dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 25, 2013 Share #3 Â Posted June 25, 2013 Nonsense. This lens is the most praised part of the camera, both in image quality and build. The funny knee-jerk reactions to the speed have been quite flattened by the results. Actually I think it points the way to the AF lenses Leica will have to introduce when they add auxiliary AF to the M-series. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted June 25, 2013 Share #4  Posted June 25, 2013 Nonsense. This lens is the most praised part of the camera, both in image quality and build. The funny knee-jerk reactions to the speed have been quite flattened by the results.Actually I think it points the way to the AF lenses Leica will have to introduce when they add auxiliary AF to the M-series.  So you do not think it's a 'plasticky' camera now ...with its lens that has build quality  dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
miatadan Posted June 26, 2013 Author Share #5  Posted June 26, 2013 With the X Vario having lens 28mm f/3.5 at wide end , I was thinking the following: with a full frame M-E or M240 options are: Leica 28mm f/2.8 Elemarit $2195 US or Leica 28mm f/2.0 Summicron $4295 US  if I look at 1.5 crop factor and want to use 28mm focal length on mirrorless body such as Sony Nex or Fuju X18mm = 28mm  than you are left with these 2 choices:  Leica 18mm f/3.8 Super-Elmar $3195 US or Zeiss 18mm f/4 Distagon T ZM $1428 US  if want 75mm focal length it is much easier to find 50mm m lens to use on Sony Nex or Fuji X  Leica 50mm f/2.8 Summarit $1650 US Zeiss 50mm f/2 Planer T $ 859  biggest problem with most zoom lens is that aperture is slower as lens get longer expect for professional lens with constant f/2.8  even if I wanted affordable Leica lens to get 36mm from mirrorless body , the Leica 24mm f/3.8 Elmer is still slower than lens used in X Vario and is $2595 US  Yes, I know all the M lenses are better build quality and better optics than lens on a X Vario  Dan  This is reason I changed my mind about mirrorless bodies with m lenses.  My thinking is that the Leica X Vario is not over priced when you consider that a Fuji X-E1 + Fuji M adaptor and or Sony Nex 6 + m adaptor with the lenses listed above would not perform as well as a Leica X Vario .  Leica has optimized lens to body and giving the well known lens quality that has made Leica the reference that other lenses compared too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
miatadan Posted June 26, 2013 Author Share #6  Posted June 26, 2013 update, placed order today for Leica X Vario, I am sure I will be happy with it  now the hard part is waiting for camera to arrive and find best half case for it  Dan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
baretta Posted June 26, 2013 Share #7  Posted June 26, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) update, placed order today for Leica X Vario, I am sure I will be happy with it now the hard part is waiting for camera to arrive and find best half case for it  Dan  Good, already got mine.....and enjoy with it....... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest badbob Posted June 26, 2013 Share #8  Posted June 26, 2013 update, placed order today for Leica X Vario, I am sure I will be happy with it. now the hard part is waiting for camera to arrive and find best half case for it. .Dan  Are you leaning toward Leica's case, or maybe a Luigi (if I spelled that right)? I still don't have a case for mine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted June 26, 2013 Share #9  Posted June 26, 2013 update, placed order today for Leica X Vario, I am sure I will be happy with it now the hard part is waiting for camera to arrive and find best half case for it  Dan  A 'no case' for my X Vario ...  Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!  ... it does the job i.e. keeps it scratch free. The leather strap has to go - much prefer a fabric strap.   ... and once inside the cloth bag ... Is that an X Vario in my pocket ? ... or ... ?  dunk Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!  ... it does the job i.e. keeps it scratch free. The leather strap has to go - much prefer a fabric strap.   ... and once inside the cloth bag ... Is that an X Vario in my pocket ? ... or ... ?  dunk ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/207560-another-way-to-look-at-leica-x-vario/?do=findComment&comment=2358843'>More sharing options...
baretta Posted June 26, 2013 Share #10 Â Posted June 26, 2013 Looking forward luigi half case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 26, 2013 Share #11  Posted June 26, 2013 So you do not think it's a 'plasticky' camera now ...with its lens that has build quality  dunk I would appreciate it if you actually read my posts before commenting on them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted June 26, 2013 Share #12  Posted June 26, 2013 if I look at 1.5 crop factor and want to use 28mm focal length on mirrorless body such as Sony Nex or Fuju X18mm = 28mm  I don't know about the Sony but for the Fuji couldn't you just buy one of these for 400 quid?  IMO the more pertinent comparison is in the "normal" focal length range. The X Vario at 50mm must have a maximum aperture of around F5 and that, for me, reduces its utility considerably. It is a stop slower than the lens on my 0-serie 'replica'. If, when you need more speed, it was possible to whip the lens off the X Vario and replace it with something a couple of stops or so faster all would be good. But you can't so you have to consider carrying an additional camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sc_rufctr Posted June 26, 2013 Share #13  Posted June 26, 2013 So you do not think it's a 'plasticky' camera now ...with its lens that has build quality  dunk  I've handled one... Not plasticky Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 26, 2013 Share #14 Â Posted June 26, 2013 Don't worry; in my post I praised the build of the lens calling it M lens like, mentioned the body being metal and only mentioned my personal tactile experience as plasticky. Which mainly refers to the cover material and which I feel about the M9 as well. Dunk clearly read just one word of my post out of context. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted June 26, 2013 Share #15  Posted June 26, 2013 Don't worry; in my post I praised the build of the lens calling it M lens like, mentioned the body being metal and only mentioned my personal tactile experience as plasticky. Which mainly refers to the cover material and which I feel about the M9 as well. Dunk clearly read just one word of my post out of context.  Apologies ... I should have used one of these ... instead of one of these  me  dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 26, 2013 Share #16 Â Posted June 26, 2013 No problem. I get twisted up in smilies on a regular basis...:eek: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
miatadan Posted June 26, 2013 Author Share #17  Posted June 26, 2013 Dunk and others who already have the X Vario.....  do you agree with this? quote:  Steve Huff says: June 25, 2013 at 11:11 pm The IQ is nicer from the Leica. Period. Fact. 100% truth. But the Fuji is much more versatile. The X Vario has issues with focus in low light, doesn’t do much well besides static shots in full daylight. I tested it as did many of the guys who were on Palouse with me for the road trip. All of us had the same conclusion. The Vario is made and built nice with superb IQ in daylight, but other than that it falls apart. My review is soon.  maybe this is true at the long end 70mm but can not be the case if I use 28mm most of the time?  thoughts on this?  Dan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted June 26, 2013 Share #18 Â Posted June 26, 2013 I have not tried my X Vario in 'low light' yet but plan to do so within a few days when hope to do a walkabout inside Peterborough Cathedral ...Forum member 'euston' did not mention any low light focusing problems with his pics http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/other/288827-leica-x-vario-photos-2.html I cannot find Huff's full test or a reference to what AF settings he used. Â dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
miatadan Posted June 26, 2013 Author Share #19  Posted June 26, 2013 I have not tried my X Vario in 'low light' yet but plan to do so within a few days when hope to do a walkabout inside Peterborough Cathedral ...Forum member 'euston' did not mention any low light focusing problems with his pics http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/other/288827-leica-x-vario-photos-2.html dunk  Just checked out the photos from 'euston' and I think they are fantastic  Dan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
euston Posted June 26, 2013 Share #20  Posted June 26, 2013 I used auto focus throughout and had no problems whatever achieving focus. I don’t recall a single case of the camera missing focus or failing to focus. Of course, all my subjects were static. With moving subjects it might be a different story.  Here’s a shot at full zoom and lens wide open of a dark, unlit ceiling. At ISO 3200 the image is a bit noisy but it is, I believe, in perfect focus.  Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/207560-another-way-to-look-at-leica-x-vario/?do=findComment&comment=2359285'>More sharing options...
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