roguewave Posted June 25, 2013 Share #1 Posted June 25, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Looking for the best overall assessment between these cameras. Bring it on! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted June 25, 2013 Posted June 25, 2013 Hi roguewave, Take a look here M9 vs Leica M, M-E. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
iedei Posted June 25, 2013 Share #2 Posted June 25, 2013 Looking for the best overall assessment between these cameras. Bring it on! they are digital leica M rangefinders. the end. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roguewave Posted June 25, 2013 Author Share #3 Posted June 25, 2013 they are digital leica M rangefinders. the end. That's meaningless & not in any way helpful information. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblitz Posted June 25, 2013 Share #4 Posted June 25, 2013 not exactly sure what you are looking for as an answer, but i think the differences between the ME(M9), MM and M have more to do with the features they bring to the table than actual difference in IQ. After all, for the past several years we have been witness to thousand of great shots using the M9, is it suddenly incapable? No. But the M does have wider DR, a good thing, but it's real value is the EVF and use of R lenses. As for the MM, best of the bunch but it only takes B&W, better someday a camera with a modular sensor. in the end, it comes down to what you are going to use the camera for rather than a quality difference. jeep, sedan, sports car? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
01af Posted June 25, 2013 Share #5 Posted June 25, 2013 Looking for the best overall assessment between these cameras. Bring it on!They are digital Leica M rangefinders. The end. They are digital 35-mm full-frame Leica M rangefinder cameras. The M (Typ 240) also has live view. The end. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerard Posted June 25, 2013 Share #6 Posted June 25, 2013 Ben, The M9 is mighty capable; far more capable than most will ever need. The ME is just as capable, but you must use 'the force' to know what an image frame would look like when using a lens other than that mounted as it doesn't have the frame preview lever. The M has many more features and improved high ISO performance. It is, therefore, even more capable. So Iedei's comment is quite relevant. As a rangefinder user; all three are more than likely to meet your needs. All have unique Leica 'glitches', all are able to produce breathtaking images. The person placed behind any of these cameras (and the computer afterward) will be far more influential in final image quality than the choice between the three itself. Do you really want/need video, live view, evf, excellent high iso performance? If so, there is but one choice. If not; take your pick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iedei Posted June 25, 2013 Share #7 Posted June 25, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) That's meaningless & not in any way helpful information. you ask a vague, lazy question----you get a vague, lazy reply. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmldds Posted June 25, 2013 Share #8 Posted June 25, 2013 I believe Ben's question was relevant and to the point. "Overall assessment" should include, functionality, dependability, feel, perceived quality/workmanship, raw image quality, etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roguewave Posted June 25, 2013 Author Share #9 Posted June 25, 2013 I'm really appalled at the lack of any specificity that could be useful in any way, regarding these comments. I've shot several frames with this new camera and it's hard to discern any IQ performance changes. The so called higher iso is a phantom. Most of the frames are full of mud once above 600, at least to my eye. The sweet spot hasn't moved north at all. In fact, I think the files from the M9 are far superior. Yes they need to processed precisely, but that's another issue. The use of the best R lenses is a nonstarter. The 80 & 35 Lux are larger & heavier than the CAMERA BODY. Defeats the whole gestalt of the M. I'm hoping some other folks that own & are using these cameras can provide more details that move the discussion in a meaningful way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iedei Posted June 25, 2013 Share #10 Posted June 25, 2013 I'm really appalled at the lack of any specificity that could be useful in any way, regarding these comments. have you tried using the 'search' function? there are thousands of posts about these cameras. Unfortunately your one sentence question was completely NON-specific....which is interesting as you are looking for high-"specificity" answers. odd strategy there... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerard Posted June 25, 2013 Share #11 Posted June 25, 2013 Ah... so you have the answer; but you are hoping for someone to change your mind? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
theboch Posted June 25, 2013 Share #12 Posted June 25, 2013 Higher ISO of the M240 not better than M9? Everything above 600 muddy? What?! I have and use the camera and do absolutely not agree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
theboch Posted June 25, 2013 Share #13 Posted June 25, 2013 Simple and fast answer: The M240 is a better camera than the M9 in every aspect. At least on paper and for me personally. Is it worth an upgrade from the M9? That is your own personal decision (and you seem to already have found the answer...)! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym911 Posted June 25, 2013 Share #14 Posted June 25, 2013 ben as my m8.2 went on the blink recently i also faced this question...ME-M-M9 I had the ME in my hands and just did not like the aesthetics....wrong color..no frame lever...stupid logo etc...etc.. had an M9P in my hand and it was a more elegant M8.2 with more bits and bytes... did it for me and the files are great..must admit that I need to get used to shooting full frame again on a digital M.......DOF is so different from the M8 with same lenses.. not interested on the M240 because it doesnt exist ... am happy and thrilled with my new baby:) good light andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roguewave Posted June 25, 2013 Author Share #15 Posted June 25, 2013 benas my m8.2 went on the blink recently i also faced this question...ME-M-M9 I had the ME in my hands and just did not like the aesthetics....wrong color..no frame lever...stupid logo etc...etc.. had an M9P in my hand and it was a more elegant M8.2 with more bits and bytes... did it for me and the files are great..must admit that I need to get used to shooting full frame again on a digital M.......DOF is so different from the M8 with same lenses.. not interested on the M240 because it doesnt exist ... am happy and thrilled with my new baby:) good light andy Andy, I can always count on your being straightforward & sober in your POV. Thanks for your input. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted June 25, 2013 Share #16 Posted June 25, 2013 The M-E is the same as the M9, only in a different color without the USB port and frame selection lever. What else is there to know between the two? Both are readily available for personal tests. There are lots of threads about the new M here, including various reviews from the usual suspects. I'll determine my own opinion when the dust settles (so to speak) and rentals become available to make prints of my own pics. No rush; the M8.2 serves well. You want the 'best assessment'? Well, the only important one is your own, and it seems you've already reached your conclusion. Done. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doolittle Posted June 26, 2013 Share #17 Posted June 26, 2013 Looking for the best overall assessment between these cameras. Bring it on! Between the M9, M and M-E? That's easy: M-E as it is the prettiest. Now if you included the MM and M9P it would be a trickier decision Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest borge Posted June 26, 2013 Share #18 Posted June 26, 2013 All of them are the same type of camera: digital rangefinders with m-mounts. The M-E, M9 and M9-P are basically the exact same camera with some minor cosmetic differences between the M9 and M9-P, and the M-E does not have a frame preview lever and USB port. Otherwise they are identical. The M240 is better at high iso and has a different color reproduction than the M9/M9-P/M-E, and has live view, and is weather proofed and it has a better battery. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlashGordonPhotography Posted June 26, 2013 Share #19 Posted June 26, 2013 Well, you can purchase a M-E now. You can find an M9P new if you're prepared to look for one. Or you can wait a few months and then you may be able to purchase a Type 240. So, for me the main thing is that one of them is not currently available for general sale, unless you're already on a waiting list. Gordon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malland Posted June 26, 2013 Share #20 Posted June 26, 2013 All of them are the same type of camera: digital rangefinders with m-mounts.The M-E, M9 and M9-P are basically the exact same camera with some minor cosmetic differences between the M9 and M9-P, and the M-E does not have a frame preview lever and USB port. Otherwise they are identical. The M240 is better at high iso and has a different color reproduction than the M9/M9-P/M-E, and has live view, and is weather proofed and it has a better battery. ...I've shot several frames with this new camera and it's hard to discern any IQ performance changes. The so called higher iso is a phantom. Most of the frames are full of mud once above 600, at least to my eye. The sweet spot hasn't moved north at all. In fact, I think the files from the M9 are far superior...Ben, seems to me that Bo's brief summary quoted above is very accurate and to the point, including that the M9 and the M240 have different color rendition, the latter being something that some people may like in one camera rather than the other, and other people may feel that the two types of color rendition may be brought very close to each other by careful processing or custom profiles — we'll see. But your statement about the "mud above 600" of the M240 seems to be a very personal opinion that is not likely to be shared by most people. As for myself, I like to shoot my M9-P at ISO 640 on overcast days (often too bright here in Thailand to do so otherwise) precisely because I like the "texture" of the files at this speed. —Mitch/Bangkok Bangkok Obvious [WIP] Eggleston said that he was "at war with the obvious"... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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