Indina Posted June 3, 2013 Share #21 Posted June 3, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Life goes in circles. The question is related to a problem when there's enough or too much money at hand to buy and sell, buy and sell, always looking for the latest gear, always feeling unhappy with what you already got. It keeps folks from getting along with their current gear, and to practice a bit more with it. No solution in sight, since it's more of a mind matter. IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted June 3, 2013 Posted June 3, 2013 Hi Indina, Take a look here M (240) or Nikon D4. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Peter H Posted June 3, 2013 Share #22 Posted June 3, 2013 I'm well aware. Read why (post #8). And he wants to buy a new M now, 3 months later. Jeff Sorry. I assumed he knew all about the M9 having owned one, and now wanted to know about the new M, so that buying a used M9 wouldn't help him much. Anyway, not worth quibbling about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted June 3, 2013 Share #23 Posted June 3, 2013 Well I have an M8 and was debating buying the M, but in the end I bought a D800E.....the reasons, well I love my M8 and Leica will always be my preferred camera of choice, but the new M did not tick all the buttons for me,and there are things that you can do with a DSLR that just do not work as well with a rangefinder, so for me,the D800E is a fantastic addition to my photography, and with both I feel I have just about got it all sewn up! Because I have a wealth of leica lenses, I will get another updated Leica, just not yet! All that said, it is not my gear that limits my photography, it is me! I had a D800e for a month then sold it to concentrate on the Leica as I was struggling to manage two completely different styles of photography Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted June 3, 2013 Share #24 Posted June 3, 2013 Sorry. I assumed he knew all about the M9 having owned one, and now wanted to know about the new M, so that buying a used M9 wouldn't help him much. Anyway, not worth quibbling about. Hi PeterWhen I saw the recent pictures taken by my buddy using the M (240) I liked what I saw and he also made some comments about the focus picking was a help so that is why I am intrested again in Leica Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
macjonny1 Posted June 3, 2013 Share #25 Posted June 3, 2013 Hi PeterWhen I saw the recent pictures taken by my buddy using the M (240) I liked what I saw and he also made some comments about the focus picking was a help so that is why I am intrested again in Leica Honestly neither are a good reason to change. It's not his camera and the focus peaking is an ancillary improvement at best on an EVF that is not the best out there. Have you even used focus peaking on another mirrorless? I suspect you are wasting a lot of money flip-flopping. If you have a lot of cash to burn though our economy and second hand market always can use more stimulus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted June 3, 2013 Share #26 Posted June 3, 2013 Neil, if the M9 wasn't what you wanted and you're happier with a D4, I can't imagine that the new M will be enough of a leap from the M9 to justify another change in direction. But evidently you suspect the D4 is not the universal, perfect camera for you either. So the probability is, nothing is or ever will be. It does sound to me as though you're tempted by the newest beautiful siren-call (nothing wrong with that!) and are hoping to rationalise your desire. Am I wrong? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted June 3, 2013 Share #27 Posted June 3, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Neil, if the M9 wasn't what you wanted and you're happier with a D4, I can't imagine that the new M will be enough of a leap from the M9 to justify another change in direction. But evidently you suspect the D4 is not the universal, perfect camera for you either. So the probability is, nothing is or ever will be. It does sound to me as though you're tempted by the newest beautiful siren-call (nothing wrong with that!) and are hoping to rationalise your desire. Am I wrong? No you are abso$%$#$#@lutely correct. YES I love new toys. That’s the reason I work on an Oil Rig in Nigeria, so that I can afford to buy new toys. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted June 3, 2013 Share #28 Posted June 3, 2013 I suspect you are wasting a lot of money flip-flopping. If you have a lot of cash to burn though our economy and second hand market always can use more stimulus.Yes I put a nice smile on a few nice people in Malaysia who picked up my old Leica gear for a wee bargin........thats cool right:D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted June 3, 2013 Share #29 Posted June 3, 2013 No you are abso$%$#$#@lutely correct. YES I love new toys. That’s the reason I work on an Oil Rig in Nigeria, so that I can afford to buy new toys. Good for you. Keep it simple. Go and buy a new M and enjoy yourself! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted June 3, 2013 Share #30 Posted June 3, 2013 Good for you. Keep it simple. Go and buy a new M and enjoy yourself! Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted June 3, 2013 Share #31 Posted June 3, 2013 I am hopeing that the new M has got some more user friendly settings.........thats all[/font][/color] It hasn't. If you didn't get on with your M9, you won't get on with an M240 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 3, 2013 Share #32 Posted June 3, 2013 I don't think so either; the addition of live view and EVF is fine for occasional use, but it is primarily a rangefinder. And it does need the same user input as the M9. It has no green rectangle setting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tanks Posted June 3, 2013 Share #33 Posted June 3, 2013 Hi Japp...,I just missed so many shots by my fumbling around with the knobs (when I remembered to fumble around with them) whereas with the DSLR I just preset and started shooting and very rarely missed a shot (unless I screwed up with the setting in the first place.[/font][/color] I am hopeing that the new M has got some more user friendly settings.........thats all The M cameras do not have that many knobs etc. to set. I am puzzled about that unless you mean AF vs manual focus and missing shots due to that. I don't think you will find what you are looking for on the new M if you could not find it on the M9. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted June 3, 2013 Share #34 Posted June 3, 2013 The M cameras do not have that many knobs etc. to set. I am puzzled about that unless you mean AF vs manual focus and missing shots due to that. I don't think you will find what you are looking for on the new M if you could not find it on the M9. It was more the focusing that would be an issue as I would sometimes forget. I was not a complete idiot with the M9, I just thought that it was either going to be a Rangefinder or a DSLR and I chose DSLR but I am now having second thoughts. Most of the pictures on my website are shot with the M9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rivercityrocker Posted June 3, 2013 Share #35 Posted June 3, 2013 I don't see this as a case of either/or. I sold off my extraneous Nikon DSLR bodies and used some of the money to fund the Leica and lenses, but as much as I love the Leica in no way could it replace the DSLR for the majority of my paid work. That being said, I do photography for a living so having a work rig and a personal rig is normal for me. Even when I was DSLR only I had two separate setups, 2 pro FX DSLR's plus a full compliment of Nikon pro lenses and a smaller DLSR usually DX (except for that dog of a D600) with a couple of Sigma lenses. The smaller cameras are just easier to carry and less prone to "camera nerds" wanting to talk to me. The reason I switched to Leica was because I got tired of all of my images looking the same. For all practical purposes DSLR's all have very similar rendering and I started getting bored with my output. The Leica has breathed new life into my photography and I'm happy with that. In any case, I know roughnecks make good money especially when working places like Nigeria. You can probably afford it, so why not get both? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanJW Posted June 3, 2013 Share #36 Posted June 3, 2013 Listen to RiverCityRocker. It isn't either/or. I do not earn my living with my cameras but there are things a DSLR can do that a Leica can't. The new M is inching closer to what DSLRs do but inching is not approaching. Using longer lenses, having flash easily integrate, and yes, shoot me if you will, autofocus and different AE modes are just some things DSLRs do better. You can still have a favorite and I still prefer my Leica but having both is nice for when you need or want a change. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted June 3, 2013 Share #37 Posted June 3, 2013 It was more the focusing that would be an issue as I would sometimes forget. This is precisely why I suggested earlier that you get another M9 (or M8) and practice more until the M240 becomes available. By then, you'll decide if you like RF or not, and whether the extra M240 features are necessary or desirable. You never gave the M9 a chance IMO. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karl G Posted June 3, 2013 Share #38 Posted June 3, 2013 As rockercity said, different horses for different courses but the D4 is really a specialized camera for fast, fast, fast and low, low light and quick grab shots that have to be good. If you can wait a little, there will be a D4x with slightly slower FPS and 36MP at least. If a M9 was too frustrating to nail focus and composition with fixed lenses and largely manual settings, the 240 will be similar. and you'll have to require lenses. The LV will be a little better for non rangefinder shooting but if you want just that, there alternatives that are non rangefinders like Sony and Fugi. In the end, life is short, buy what will make you happy in the near future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NZDavid Posted June 4, 2013 Share #39 Posted June 4, 2013 I tried out a D4 in a camera store in Japan. Although it is a huge beast it felt very comfortable and well balanced (more so than Canon IMO), the viewfinder was big and clear, and AF in spot mode was very fast and accurate. But I would not want to take it hiking or traveling. For that, I find Leica M9 is perfect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted June 4, 2013 Share #40 Posted June 4, 2013 In any case, I know roughnecks make good money especially when working places like Nigeria. You can probably afford it, so why not get both? +1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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