I like film...(open thread)

[Wayne]

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Terminal Moraine, near Peru Illinois.

 

Between 14,000 and 25,000 years ago, the advance of the Wisconsin glacier episode ended near the location where this photo was shot. Well, it sort of ended. In fact it began behaving in a manner that can only be described as pulsations, advancing and receding at a "glacial" frequency. Having pushed down geologic matter from Canada, the end result is this extraordinary flat landscape covered with rich soil......black as coal. In normal circumstances, an interesting landscape requires features that capture attention. This landscape is different: to appreciate it, one must travel through it for a while. Spending a few days in it can become a very humbling experience. Today, it does not appear, at a glance, very exciting; but the process of its formation would have been magnificent to behold. If you every find yourself in central Illinois, take the time to travel between Champaign and Peru. Bring your camera.

 

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Zeiss Super Ikonta C, 6x9, Kodak Ektar 100

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[stray cat]

Thanks for this. I love the gathering of police. They appear a friendly lot; more interested in which pub they take lunch.

 

I have never made a request, but I would love to see the police shot in B&W. It could possibly look like an out-take shot from the old B&W Keystone Cops silent movies.

 

Best

 

Wayne

 

Thanks so much, Wayne. I think you're right about the policemen - at this place and time at least - they were there, as Hartmut said, a presence - but they were happy to let things flow without too much intervention. And there were (and probably still are) plenty of good pubs around Notting Hill!

 

As per your request, I added some sepia for your Keystone Cops reference:

Kind of works?

 

 

I like this picture with great expression on each face Phil

Thanks

Henry

 

Thank you Henry. You are such a great patron of this thread and always so supportive with your positive outlook on things. And of course your beautiful photographs on F*I*L*M!

 

And yes, these expressions were quite varied and, I think, add to the story a little.

 

These photos are really very cool. 

 

Btw looks like a Leica on the guy to the left in the first one, but probably isn't.

 

Good catch Philip - I hadn't noticed that! He would have had to have been quite a serious photographer back in 1980 to have had one you'd think (or a dentist!). Thank you, too, for your generous support.

 

 

Thank you Phil. The feeling is mutual!

 

The camaraderie that threads like this and others on this forum create makes meeting other contributors a delight and joy.

 

I couldn't agree more, Hartmut. i was a bit reluctant to get involved on this forum, as others have left me pretty disappointed, but this one is a keeper! Great people and, as you so eloquently put it, a great sense of camaraderie. Or should that perhaps be camera-arderie?

 

 

Thank you Henry. This thread has such huge momentum!

 

I'll drink to that!

[Wayne]

Thanks so much, Wayne. I think you're right about the policemen - at this place and time at least - they were there, as Hartmut said, a presence - but they were happy to let things flow without too much intervention. And there were (and probably still are) plenty of good pubs around Notting Hill!

 

As per your request, I added some sepia for your Keystone Cops reference:

Kind of works?

 

 

 

Thank you Henry. You are such a great patron of this thread and always so supportive with your positive outlook on things. And of course your beautiful photographs on F*I*L*M!

 

And yes, these expressions were quite varied and, I think, add to the story a little.

 

 

Good catch Philip - I hadn't noticed that! He would have had to have been quite a serious photographer back in 1980 to have had one you'd think (or a dentist!). Thank you, too, for your generous support.

 

 

 

I couldn't agree more, Hartmut. i was a bit reluctant to get involved on this forum, as others have left me pretty disappointed, but this one is a keeper! Great people and, as you so eloquently put it, a great sense of camaraderie. Or should that perhaps be camera-arderie?

 

 

 

I'll drink to that!

Oh yeah, I like that a lot. were it not for the gent in the bell bottoms, it is a real time traveler.

 

Thanks for your indulgence.

 

Best,

 

Wayne

[chrism]

is 2 roll at the time in Ilfosol 3.

 

I didnt mean 'shake it'....my bad...I was literally rotating in a VERY delicate way! Also I developed for 6min, as shown on the Dev app

 

You may have noticed that the Massive Dev app defaults all agitation to continuous for the first minute, and ten seconds once a minute after that. I don't like that continuous first minute and prefer to just start with ten seconds of inversions.

If your black marks line up with the sprocket holes in the film they probably do come from overdevelopment locally caused by turbulence as the developer flows through the sprocket holes. I saw that with some films when I was playing with monobath development, and cured it by using a Rondinax so the streaks would be directed along the edge of the film rather than across it.

BTW, nice photos!

 

Chris

[stray cat]

Terminal Moraine, near Peru Illinois.

 

Between 14,000 and 25,000 years ago, the advance of the Wisconsin glacier episode ended near the location where this photo was shot. Well, it sort of ended. In fact it began behaving in a manner that can only be described as pulsations, advancing and receding at a "glacial" frequency. Having pushed down geologic matter from Canada, the end result is this extraordinary flat landscape covered with rich soil......black as coal. In normal circumstances, an interesting landscape requires features that capture attention. This landscape is different: to appreciate it, one must travel through it for a while. Spending a few days in it can become a very humbling experience. Today, it does not appear, at a glance, very exciting; but the process of its formation would have been magnificent to behold. If you every find yourself in central Illinois, take the time to travel between Champaign and Peru. Bring your camera.

 

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Zeiss Super Ikonta C, 6x9, Kodak Ektar 100

 

Wayne - thank you for this. The potted history gives context and alludes to the truth that what presents itself to the eye in the first instance isn't anywhere near the complete story. Also, the ability to see beauty in what at first glance would appear to be a fairly flat, featureless landscape is a gift. Having pictures such as this in front of us, especially with some context and enthusiasm as you've given, is one of the things that I for one am very happy to learn from.

[Wayne]

Plum blossom, available light, well after sunset. So dark, accurate focus was impossible. But yet, it seems to capture a beauty of the blossoms that is not apparent in broad daylight. They were among the last to remain on the tree.

CL, 40 Summicron C, Svema 400 shot at 1600

 

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[Wayne]

And don't forget:

 

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Same camera, lens, film

 

 

[STK]

Get back in line, Fuji GW690III, Foma 400

I hope i don't post too many horses and dogs

 

Not at all, I like your horse pictures very much, thanks.

[STK]

Not at all, I like your horse pictures very much, thanks.

... and also the lovely dogs!

[jonnyboy]

Another one from my messy development.... this one with M6, 50 Summicron and TMax 400

 

[Bateleur]

Some half-frame panorama's from the forest anyone?

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Ilford Delta 100 - Rodinal

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[Doc Henry]

Since this thread is the internet's epicentre of film knowledge - does anyone know why this happens, the discolouration along the edges? It is most visible on higher-contrast shots and I get it with both my magazines, one is an A12 and the other an E12 or ECC (I never remember, an electronic magazine for the 2xx series in any event). I have changed the light seals on both which I thought had cured it.

 

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Philip do you remember my picture of 2 towers taken in Paris and your notice ?

I have the same thing !

The light contre-jour and the contrast can give this discolouration ?

 

That said , very nice color Philip

Henry

 

....  Philip , for the "epicentre" ,  you're right if you search on Google "I like film" ,

you can find immediatly  the link. I asked recently Andreas to change the title and

replace by "I love film"    he said me that Google will loose the old link "I like..."

when someone make the research

Edited April 11, 2017 by Doc Henry

[Doc Henry]

is 2 roll at the time in Ilfosol 3.

 

I didnt mean 'shake it'....my bad...I was literally rotating in a VERY delicate way! Also I developed for 6min, as shown on the Dev app

 

Jonny underdevelopped not enough time IMO ...

 

but the value of the picture is still intact. Nice scene Jonny. It reminds pictures in the 40's

Thanks for posting Jonny

Best

Henry

 

For b&w I agitate "carefully" (slowly)10 sec every minute ,with the Paterson agitator to move

the developper in contact with film in my Paterson tank.For color I agitate always "carefully"

during all the dev  time.

Take care of temperature of water in winter (less than 14-15°C) , for b&w you must be at 

20-22°C

Edited April 11, 2017 by Doc Henry

[Doc Henry]

SWC

FP4+

R09 1:25

Epson 4870

Gary

 

Very nice Gary ! old bomb or old part of a plane in the first picture ?

Best

Henry

[Doc Henry]

Philip it's this picture , you remember ?

 

Kodak Portra 160-Leica M7-350LA

 

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Henry

[philipus]

Gary, Gary, Eoin and Henry, thank you for the suggestions. It's all fairly mysterious. I don't think it is caused by high-contrast scenes themselves because it is visible if one looks carefully also on non-high-contrast frames. Thinking a bit more about it, I am wondering if I have it on slide film or only on the Ektar. If the latter it might be my lab which has some problems. That's possibly unlikely though because the fact that it is not on opposing sides of the frame along the length of the film seems to suggest it couldn't be the lab. It could be the 80 Planar somehow. I'll be getting an old over-hauled 50 Distagon C soon so with that and the 350 Tele-Tessar I can test a bit more. I fear I may also have to buy another magazine and test (yay, more kit).
 
Henry, about the name of the thread - I have thought about this too. I mean, there's a lot of "love" threads at LUF, regarding M body so and so, various lenses etc. That's all good and well, and like Sir Archibald Clerk Kerr once wrote we all feel like that now and then, but I think I prefer "like" because it matches the attitude I have towards film. Film is how I photograph, it's a simple fact of life so there's no need to be overly emotional about it even though I do 'love' the results, good or bad, which film gives.
 

It isn't really indicative of the light seal issue that I have seen anyway Philip.
Eoin is/has been experiencing this as well, with his SWC, and the thought there was "scanning", which I believe he had done commercially.
In your case though DIY, I doubt it is this.
I'm stuck.
Gary

 
 

Could it be the lens is vigneting ? easily corrected in PS

 
 

I don't think it is vignetting, as that should be concentric. In my case, there were vertical bands up both sides (same as Philip's example), but not along the top or bottom (unlike Philip's). I have only seen it on colour film, and haven't checked whether it was just 1 magazine (I had 4 with me on that trip). Mine were also a rusty green tinting.
So much more interesting than trying to determine the cause of hot pixels...

 

Philip do you remember my picture of 2 towers taken in Paris and your notice ?
I have the same thing !
The light contre-jour and the contrast can give this discolouration ?
 
That said , very nice color Philip
Henry
 
....  Philip , for the "epicentre" ,  you're right if you search on Google "I like film" ,
you can find immediatly  the link. I asked recently Andreas to change the title and
replace by "I love film"    he said me that Google will loose the old link "I like..."
when someone make the research

[philipus]

This is great Eoin, very well done, I like in particular the first one.

 

I was fortunate in that my wife thought I deserved it (although she treated herself a trip to Japan to pick it up, so maybe I'm not as great as I thought I was ).
D030 by Eoin Christie, on Flickr
 
D029 by Eoin Christie, on Flickr

 
I like these Gary. Where were they shot?

 

Here's a few from a workshop dispay, M4P + 35mmF2.5 VC handheld at 1/30 HP5 bdeveloped in Rodinal
 

 

 

 
This is a good catch Chris and I agree. I've also wondered why the app insists on long first continuous agitation. I usually drop it to 30 seconds of very slow agitation (meaning in that time I mange around 10 inversions) for all my development. Generally for a hybrid workflow I prefer less contrasty negs and try therefore to minimise agitation. It's difficult though because for some reason it feels that one 'should' move the tank a lot to really 'develop' the film. Stupid feeling, I know. 

 

You may have noticed that the Massive Dev app defaults all agitation to continuous for the first minute, and ten seconds once a minute after that. I don't like that continuous first minute and prefer to just start with ten seconds of inversions.
If your black marks line up with the sprocket holes in the film they probably do come from overdevelopment locally caused by turbulence as the developer flows through the sprocket holes. I saw that with some films when I was playing with monobath development, and cured it by using a Rondinax so the streaks would be directed along the edge of the film rather than across it.
BTW, nice photos!
 
Chris

 
Yes more please Charles. Really nice ones. Btw how does one shoot half-frame panoramas? (And I know the answer is "One just shoots half-frame panoramas").

 

 

Some half-frame panorama's from the forest anyone?

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Ilford Delta 100 - Rodinal

 

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[philipus]

Thank you Henry, yes I remember that photo. The architectural Tetris shot, it's very nice. But I'm not sure I see the same 'effect' along the edges?

 

Philip it's this picture , you remember ?

 

Kodak Portra 160-Leica M7-350LA

 

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Best

Henry

[Doc Henry]

For Gary who loves cherry in color

 

Kodak Portra 160-Leicaflex SL* (1970) -Summicron 50 (1970)

 

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I like the soft line of the edge of each flower in film , not sharp and thin as a rasor

like in digital ! for natural flower "advantage" ** film !

** like in tennis

 

Best

Henry

 

* not confused with SL digit

Edited April 11, 2017 by Doc Henry