gbealnz Posted March 27, 2017 Share #29641 Posted March 27, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Aberavon beach promenade last Friday evening. Had to join the bandwagon- Olympus XA Portra 400. The sun had just set. Regards Christopher Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Isn't peer pressure an amazing thing, LOL. Nice shots Christopher, but I'll go out on a limb here, to me the colour balance isn't quite right. It's something that I really struggle with as well to be honest, never seem to get it correct, mine are normally too magenta. Gary 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mrckdavies Posted March 27, 2017 Share #29642 Posted March 27, 2017 Francos fish 'n' chip bar Olympus XA The sun going down over Franco's outdoor seating area, Nikon 35Ti Just needed to finish some ends of 35mm film ... Regards Christopher Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrckdavies Posted March 27, 2017 Share #29643 Posted March 27, 2017 Isn't peer pressure an amazing thing, LOL. Nice shots Christopher, but I'll go out on a limb here, to me the colour balance isn't quite right. It's something that I really struggle with as well to be honest, never seem to get it correct, mine are normally too magenta. Gary Gary you are probably right and I can't argue with your opinion, but the light seemed that way to me right then. But I see different to everyone else being well colour-blind. I generally have to go with auto colour balance settings- in this instance it was Photoshop because I got my scanner settings messed up on the first 3 before I realised. Regards Christopher Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Posted March 27, 2017 Share #29644 Posted March 27, 2017 A color shot from the prison graveyard. IIIA, VC 35mm 1.7 Ultron, Ektar 100, and....AUFSU (tiny waist level finder) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 12 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/205842-i-like-filmopen-thread/?do=findComment&comment=3242355'>More sharing options...
mrckdavies Posted March 27, 2017 Share #29645 Posted March 27, 2017 The next couple are from the Olympus XA. Spring has arrived in the UK and longer evenings. The camellia is in full bloom again! Regards Christopher Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbealnz Posted March 27, 2017 Share #29646 Posted March 27, 2017 Gary you are probably right and I can't argue with your opinion, but the light seemed that way to me right then. But I see different to everyone else being well colour-blind. I generally have to go with auto colour balance settings- in this instance it was Photoshop because I got my scanner settings messed up on the first 3 before I realised. Regards Christopher Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Thanks Christopher. Being colour blind will possibly explain it then, and I was more asking if there was a simple "get it right every time" button one could use. I would use it myself. The camellia shots for example, one is to my mind grossly green, again not being critical, just asking. Gary 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnuyork Posted March 27, 2017 Share #29647 Posted March 27, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Isn't peer pressure an amazing thing, LOL. Nice shots Christopher, but I'll go out on a limb here, to me the colour balance isn't quite right. It's something that I really struggle with as well to be honest, never seem to get it correct, mine are normally too magenta. Gary Gary, on my monitor your scans seem to have a push towards cyan, not really magenta, FYI... 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnyboy Posted March 27, 2017 Share #29648 Posted March 27, 2017 Few shots from a gig I was working some weeks ago. Contax T2 with Kodak Gold 200 14 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrckdavies Posted March 27, 2017 Share #29649 Posted March 27, 2017 (edited) Thanks Christopher. Being colour blind will possibly explain it then, and I was more asking if there was a simple "get it right every time" button one could use. I would use it myself. The camellia shots for example, one is to my mind grossly green, again not being critical, just asking. Gary Hi Gary I have noted that we all need calibrated monitors. I use 3 monitors in work and each reproduces colour differently, work from the same driver, are the same size and all made by Dell. At home I use a macBook. Again what I see influenced by ambient light (artificial late at night). I have already turned my green with Portra 400 down to 80% on the scanner software because Henry pointed that out. Thought I had sorted the problem! Obviously not. I will ask my family if they see the same and my colleagues in work. They all know I have colour issues, so are used to helping me out. I shall have to convert all to B&W for now I think. Btw on my iPhone they look fine to me. I'll ask a few people - they'll soon tell me. Regards Christopher Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Edited March 27, 2017 by mrckdavies 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrckdavies Posted March 27, 2017 Share #29650 Posted March 27, 2017 (edited) Just a thought. I think I see the problem. The three that are wrong are produced by Photoshop auto white balance. I forgot to make jpegs while scanning so I made them from tiff in Photoshop. Henry if you can correct them for me please I would be happy. All the rest are jpegs straight from the scanner with no changes just 80% green all other settings neutral. I corrected the problem after making 3 scans. Regards Christopher Edited March 27, 2017 by mrckdavies 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
philipus Posted March 27, 2017 Share #29651 Posted March 27, 2017 Now for some family fun. This is the lioness which I posted earlier. We came across her and the cubs just after she had hunted. She was quite suspicious and protective actually, which is understandable, but we still managed to get quite close (these were taken without the extender). 1N 200/2.8L Velvia 50 Flickr Flickr 14 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stray cat Posted March 27, 2017 Share #29652 Posted March 27, 2017 Hi Gary I have noted that we all need calibrated monitors. I use 3 monitors in work and each reproduces colour differently, work from the same driver, are the same size and all made by Dell. At home I use a macBook. Again what I see influenced by ambient light (artificial late at night). I have already turned my green with Portra 400 down to 80% on the scanner software because Henry pointed that out. Thought I had sorted the problem! Obviously not. I will ask my family if they see the same and my colleagues in work. They all know I have colour issues, so are used to helping me out. I shall have to convert all to B&W for now I think. Btw on my iPhone they look fine to me. I'll ask a few people - they'll soon tell me. Regards Christopher Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Hi Christopher, I don't think anyone would want you to convert your colour images to B&W - please don't think you should consider doing that. Your colours are the way you see them, and I think everyone on here would prefer to see them the way you do. We are all unique in so many ways - the things we choose to photograph, how we go about it - it is these individual differences, these idiosyncrasies if you like, that make viewing photographs on a great thread such as this such a personable and interesting journey. 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrckdavies Posted March 27, 2017 Share #29653 Posted March 27, 2017 Hi Christopher, I don't think anyone would want you to convert your colour images to B&W - please don't think you should consider doing that. Your colours are the way you see them, and I think everyone on here would prefer to see them the way you do. We are all unique in so many ways - the things we choose to photograph, how we go about it - it is these individual differences, these idiosyncrasies if you like, that make viewing photographs on a great thread such as this such a personable and interesting journey. Thanks for your kind words. Perhaps I was just too keen to post before going through my quality control, my 9 year old, she's my critic! I had set myself the goal of processing 4 films on the weekend as well as going places to finish off the rolls. It was also a busy family weekend. So I hit all my targets and was itching to see if the Olympus XA worked ok. I had films in my R9, M6TTL (Kodak b&w C41), XA & Nikon 35Ti to finish - that was fun! Regards Christopher Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbealnz Posted March 27, 2017 Share #29654 Posted March 27, 2017 Christopher, I agree with Phil, don't mono convert them, they deserve to be colour. Gary 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
philipus Posted March 27, 2017 Share #29655 Posted March 27, 2017 (edited) Hi Christopher and everybody else too I don't have the time to be brief so forgive this long post. First just to add that I agree with Phil - Christopher, please don't convert to black and white (well, unless you've decided that that's how you think the photo should represent the scene). I've followed the colour balancing discussions in the thread with interest in part because I find colour balancing tricky at best of times and always hope to learn more based on how other photographers do it, but also as I don't have the faintest idea how one perceives colour if one is colour blind (and I know there are different forms of colour blindedness) so the discussion has been a bit of an eye-opener for me. I seem to remember having read somewhere that in a real-world setting (as opposed to under controlled circumstances) there isn't any "correct" colour; there are only more or less "accurate" representations of colour, which will necessarily be based on the observer's perception. Add to this in the context of a hybrid photographic workflow that there is no way to calibrate scanners for colour negative films using targets and colour balancing becomes a nice royal mess. As I understand it, it's different for slide film which doesn't require the intermediate step of the negative (and for such one can buy calibration targets though I've never tried this myself so I don't know how much "better" my workflow would get if I tried this). All this to say that as colour balancing is a mystery to me (and to preserve my sanity and save time...) I've looked for ways to simplify it in order to arrive at "acceptable" - to me - colour. I've tried ColorPerfect, in which one can click on some part of the scene which is more or less neutral grey. And in Photoshop (and most other image editors) there's a colour picker tool, for instance in the Curves tool. Finding a spot of neutral grey is tricky though but it helps to search for areas where the RGB values are the same (which values they "should" be will depend on the colour space in which one operates). Usually things like lamp posts are often neutral enough to click on. In Adobe Camera Raw which is what i use these days regardless of the film there's a Whitebalance tool which allows clicking on something I want to be white or neutral grey. Of course none of these tools works perfectly but will usually give me a good starting point for further tweaks. But my own views on colour of an image will vary with time. As I've worked on the lion photos, for instance, which I last edited several years ago I've discovered that I prefer today a different colour balance than before. There are a number of reasons, from my eyes having changed, to my monitor being different and perhaps better calibrated, to my editing skills having improved. Anyway, all this to say that it is one's own impression that matters. A slight tangent but since I love the movies I very often pay attention to the colours of a scene. The light will very often not be "accurate" or "correct". Usually it's quite far from this because the light chosen is one of many tools used by the director and the cinematographer to convey the artistic intention of that particular scene in the context of the story and so will depend on that intention. In my view it can be the same with still photography. Getting that "non-accurate" colour balance right can result in a much more powerful image than were it just "accurate". I'm not saying this to suggest that "lomography" is always the way to go, but only to suggest that a more interesting colour balance on an image can lift it artistically speaking. br Philip Hi GaryI have noted that we all need calibrated monitors. I use 3 monitors in work and each reproduces colour differently, work from the same driver, are the same size and all made by Dell.At home I use a macBook.Again what I see influenced by ambient light (artificial late at night). I have already turned my green with Portra 400 down to 80% on the scanner software because Henry pointed that out. Thought I had sorted the problem! Obviously not. I will ask my family if they see the same and my colleagues in work. They all know I have colour issues, so are used to helping me out.I shall have to convert all to B&W for now I think.Btw on my iPhone they look fine to me. I'll ask a few people - they'll soon tell me.RegardsChristopherSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Edited March 27, 2017 by philipus 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stray cat Posted March 27, 2017 Share #29656 Posted March 27, 2017 That is so eloquently and comprehensively expressed Philip - thank you. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrckdavies Posted March 27, 2017 Share #29657 Posted March 27, 2017 Hi Christopher and everybody else too I don't have the time to be brief so forgive this long post. First just to add that I agree with Phil - Christopher, please don't convert to black and white (well, unless you've decided that that's how you think the photo should represent the scene). I've followed the colour balancing discussions in the thread with interest in part because I find colour balancing tricky at best of times and always hope to learn more based on how other photographers do it, but also as I don't have the faintest idea how one perceives colour if one is colour blind (and I know there are different forms of colour blindedness) so the discussion has been a bit of an eye-opener for me. I seem to remember having read somewhere that in a real-world setting (as opposed to under controlled circumstances) there isn't any "correct" colour; there are only more or less "accurate" representations of colour, which will necessarily be based on the observer's perception. Add to this in the context of a hybrid photographic workflow that there is no way to calibrate scanners for colour negative films using targets and colour balancing becomes a nice royal mess. As I understand it, it's different for slide film which doesn't require the intermediate step of the negative (and for such one can buy calibration targets though I've never tried this myself so I don't know how much "better" my workflow would get if I tried this). All this to say that as colour balancing is a mystery to me (and to preserve my sanity and save time...) I've looked for ways to simplify it in order to arrive at "acceptable" - to me - colour. I've tried ColorPerfect, in which one can click on some part of the scene which is more or less neutral grey. And in Photoshop (and most other image editors) there's a colour picker tool, for instance in the Curves tool. Finding a spot of neutral grey is tricky though but it helps to search for areas where the RGB values are the same (which values they "should" be will depend on the colour space in which one operates). Usually things like lamp posts are often neutral enough to click on. In Adobe Camera Raw which is what i use these days regardless of the film there's a Whitebalance tool which allows clicking on something I want to be white or neutral grey. Of course none of these tools works perfectly but will usually give me a good starting point for further tweaks. But my own views on colour of an image will vary with time. As I've worked on the lion photos, for instance, which I last edited several years ago I've discovered that I prefer today a different colour balance than before. There are a number of reasons, from my eyes having changed, to my monitor being different and perhaps better calibrated, to my editing skills having improved. Anyway, all this to say that it is one's own impression that matters. A slight tangent but since I love the movies I very often pay attention to the colours of a scene. The light will very often not be "accurate" or "correct". Usually it's quite far from this because the light chosen is one of many tools used by the director and the cinematographer to convey the artistic intention of that particular scene in the context of the story and so will depend on that intention. In my view it can be the same with still photography. Getting that "non-accurate" colour balance right can result in a much more powerful image than were it just "accurate". I'm not saying this to suggest that "lomography" is always the way to go, but only to suggest that a more interesting colour balance on an image can lift it artistically speaking. br Philip Photoshop has a similar function but I forget where it is. Philip Thank you for his. I greatly appreciate your time in responding. I think I may be able to make this work as I predominantly use the raw filter. Kind regards Christopher Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bateleur Posted March 27, 2017 Share #29658 Posted March 27, 2017 A color shot from the prison graveyard. IIIA, VC 35mm 1.7 Ultron, Ektar 100, and....AUFSU (tiny waist level finder) img296.jpg Fascinating story Wayne (and photo's too) from the graveyard! Thanks Charles 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bateleur Posted March 27, 2017 Share #29659 Posted March 27, 2017 untitled-6-7.jpg Lovely light and feeling of tranquility! Thanks Charles 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EoinC Posted March 27, 2017 Share #29660 Posted March 27, 2017 Thanks a lot Eoin, not sure which ones I have not shared here already ! by JM__ by [url=https://www.flickr.com/photos/talegal/]JM__, on Flickr I love this, JM - It's like being there! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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