I like film...(open thread)

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Trying out the 120 roll of Cinestill 800T that I got my hands on late last Spring...

 

503cw, 80mm Planar (wide open )

Mystery location?

bokeh-1.jpg

 

Now I'm home developing my black and whites, I'm wondering whether to try Cinestill again, or more accurately try the original Kodak Vision 3.

 

The red blooms produced by Cinestill's lack of an anti-halation layer are fun for some shots, but wearing for many others. The way it otherwise handles evening or night-time colours is stunning, and it also handles flesh tones wonderfully. Cinematic, no less. But that fatal flaw...

 

Stock Vision 3 still has the anti-halation layer, but the carbon in it muddies up standard colour development chemicals; and yer local lab takes a dim view of that.

 

Plan is to use my new processing skills to get the film into a Paterson tank, then thoroughly prewash the film in warm water, and only then hand the now carbon-free film to my development lab for normal processing. Should work, right? Not sure how I'll lay my hands on Vision 3, but there'll surely be a way.

 

Ric

[philipus]

Really nice Gary, fantastic tonality. It reminds that I must break open the bottle of R09 I bought during the autumn.

 

Incidentally googling for R09 one discovers that that is/was the pennant numbers of HMS Prince of Wales and HMS Ark Royal. Useful cocktail party knowledge for this time of the year.

 

br

philip

 

Revisited the local park where this stone sculpture resides.

Wanted to try the Fomapan 200.

M6

Close up with Summicron 50mm collapsible

Other with SA21/4 and orange filter.

R09 @ 1:50

Plustek 8100

Gary

[Keith (M)]

Revisited the local park where this stone sculpture resides.

Wanted to try the Fomapan 200.

M6

Close up with Summicron 50mm collapsible

Other with SA21/4 and orange filter.

R09 @ 1:50

Plustek 8100

Gary

Pleasing tones in those shots, Gary.  Your Fomapan 200 / Rodinal results look less grainy than my recent trial of the film.  What did you rate it at?  I exposed at box ISO, found the negs to be quite 'thin' and had to give circa +1 stop in LR. Subsequently read on the Fomapan Flickr group that people were recommending ISO 125.

[Keith (M)]

Whilst generally there is no substitute for size (as they say), I made an A3+ print yesterday from a Portra 160 35mm neg (M7, C-Sonnar 50mm, scanned by Canadian Film Lab). Framed and hanging above my desk, there is nothing to even hint that this is a big enlargement from a small neg.  Hmm, maybe I do not have to lug 1.6kg of 6x6 or 6x9cm camera around after all...  

 

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[christoph_d]

Early morning at the lake.

 

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15mm, Eagle 640@200, ns

 

Rgds

 

C.

[A miller]

Early morning at the lake.

 

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15mm, Eagle 640@200, ns

 

Rgds

 

C.

 

looks like a pinhole shot  Nice colors underneath all that grain

[A miller]

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Thanks, guys.

My bottom line is that, even though I threw the roll into my fridge the day I received it, I waited too long to shoot it.  

Cinestill's film stocks have a HORRIBLE shelf life; this goes for both the 800T and the 50.  I was not happy with integrity of the results.  Grain and halos are one thing, schmootz in one form or another is an entirely different thing.  So all in all, thumbs down for me.  It was a mistake to buy the dozen or two of the 800T from their kickstarter program or whatever it is called.  No chance I will be able to blow through that many rolls in the few months I will need to in order to avoid/minimize schmootz.  I will likely be doing a lot of these artistic photos as it is not so much much weather dependent.

 

No "schmootz"?

Colours look good though, albeit "soft".

Gary

 

 

Adam,

 

I was wondering when you would show the results. Colours and smoothness seems excellent, but it appears to be less sharp than its 35mm brother  !

 

Have a good Sunday,

 

Rgds

 

C.

 

 

Now I'm home developing my black and whites, I'm wondering whether to try Cinestill again, or more accurately try the original Kodak Vision 3.

The red blooms produced by Cinestill's lack of an anti-halation layer are fun for some shots, but wearing for many others. The way it otherwise handles evening or night-time colours is stunning, and it also handles flesh tones wonderfully. Cinematic, no less. But that fatal flaw...

Stock Vision 3 still has the anti-halation layer, but the carbon in it muddies up standard colour development chemicals; and yer local lab takes a dim view of that.

Plan is to use my new processing skills to get the film into a Paterson tank, then thoroughly prewash the film in warm water, and only then hand the now carbon-free film to my development lab for normal processing. Should work, right? Not sure how I'll lay my hands on Vision 3, but there'll surely be a way.

Ric

[gbealnz]

Pleasing tones in those shots, Gary.  Your Fomapan 200 / Rodinal results look less grainy than my recent trial of the film.  What did you rate it at?  I exposed at box ISO, found the negs to be quite 'thin' and had to give circa +1 stop in LR. Subsequently read on the Fomapan Flickr group that people were recommending ISO 125.

 

Thank you Keith. My reasoning for R09 (apart from the cocktail party knowledge) is same as yours, longevity. I've always used Rodinal when it was about, and this seems a decent substitute.

 

Yes, the grain is "less than expected/recalled". I was sure I ran a roll a year or so ago, and didn't really "like the results". Nothing subjective, just gut feeling.

 

Exposed (on the ISO dial on the rear of the M6) at box speed of 200. The SA21 shots were a guess, the metering doesn't work, and after doing this for so long I should be able to guess anyway. The addition of the orange filter only served to further confuse the guessing.

 

Negs look decent to the eye, the whole roll.

I'll try some more at some stage, but this roll has changed my view at the moment.

Gary

[A miller]

Revisited the local park where this stone sculpture resides.

Wanted to try the Fomapan 200.

M6

Close up with Summicron 50mm collapsible

Other with SA21/4 and orange filter.

R09 @ 1:50

Plustek 8100

Gary

 

The tones look nice.  I don't completely recall the rendition of the other photos of these that you shared in the past.  But I think these are at least as good.  Quite a bit of grain on the second one, though.  Interesting that it is the same film as the first, which doesn't appear as grainy on my monitor.

[ansteyp]

NY Suburban Train Station

M6, 35mm cron, Tmax 400

 

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[gbealnz]

The tones look nice.  I don't completely recall the rendition of the other photos of these that you shared in the past.  But I think these are at least as good.  Quite a bit of grain on the second one, though.  Interesting that it is the same film as the first, which doesn't appear as grainy on my monitor.

Could be that I over-sharpened it perhaps Adam.

Gary

[rpavich]

America.

I tried to make it look desperate and sad.

Nikon Fm2n
Nikkor 50mm f/2
Kentmere 400@800
Diafine (shouldn't have done this on such a flat day, I had to use a grade 5 filter to get any shot from this roll to print with any contrast.)


 

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[A miller]

America.

 

I tried to make it look desperate and sad.

 

Nikon Fm2n

Nikkor 50mm f/2

Kentmere 400@800

Diafine (shouldn't have done this on such a flat day, I had to use a grade 5 filter to get any shot from this roll to print with any contrast.)

 

 

 

 

gee, America looks pretty peppy and erect to me  

[A miller]

Here is the second and last usable shot from the 120 roll of Cinestill 800T

Same artsy fartsy bokeh theme

Manhattan Bridge @ Night

503cw, 80mm Planar

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[philipus]

I like this one, Adam, both composition and colour. What do you mean by schmootz? And how do you tell the shelflife is short, are the colours off?

 

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Philip

[philipus]

Some results from goofing around near a public toilet trying not to attract suspicious looks (Portra 400). 

 

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[A miller]

I like this one, Adam, both composition and colour. What do you mean by schmootz? And how do you tell the shelflife is short, are the colours off?

 

br

Philip

 

Thanks, Philip.

 

It is a long story, but the bottom line is that these two color film stock have a shelf life of only 1 year AND they are unusually sensitive to extreme temperatures.  Exposure to either a longer than 1 yr shelf life or extreme temperatures will make the film susceptible to schmootzification.

How do you know if your roll has been produced within the last year?  YOU DONT.

How do you know if your roll has been exposed to extreme temperature, include in connection with transport from the factory to the distributor, and then to the retailer (if any) and then to your doorstep (if relevant)?  YOU DONT

Do you ever wonder why you see so man different renditions of these cinestill color films?  It is b/c of this extremely narrow tolerance and shelf life.

I have shot SO much of this film and treated it like a baby.  And essentially all I have been getting is schmootz.  The two shots I have shared are the only ones that didn't have streaks or schmootz in one form or another running through otherwise beautiful photographs.  Even these needed a fair amount of attention to get them looking like they do.  Grain is good (even king), but streaks and variation in colors across a single plane are not good.

Nearly all of my 10 or so rolls of the Cinestill 50 that I shot this summer in Israel were all schmootzy.  And these were rolls that we sent to me directly from Brandan Wright late last spring when all my CS from my Spring family vacation were schmootzified.  Even these supposedly fresh rolls, which I took great care to keep in the frig until the day of use, came out bad.  My portras didn't; neither ektar nor fuji chromes.  Only the CS.

I have ben in communication with Brandan about this and he has conceded that there is a fault in their film and that it is not reliable.  He essentially told me they were shouting production until they could figure it out.  

[Guest JMF]

Here is the second and last usable shot from the 120 roll of Cinestill 800T

Same artsy fartsy bokeh theme

Manhattan Bridge @ Night

503cw, 80mm Planar

MB bokeh-1.jpg

 

Adam, OOF brightlights tend to appear a good stop overexposed which shows here imho ! Did you rate it at 800 or lower ?!

Best, JM.

[A miller]

Some results from goofing around near a public toilet trying not to attract suspicious looks (Portra 400). 

 

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really cool, Philip .  The first is my fav. 

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[Guest JMF]

Some results from goofing around near a public toilet trying not to attract suspicious looks (Portra 400). 

 

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Well worth any suspicious look ! Nicely goofed :-)