A miller Posted May 29, 2013 Share #1 Posted May 29, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Was out shooting with my M3 and "new" 50mm dual range summicron over the weekend (with Porta 160) Which version do you prefer (if any)? COLOR Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! OR B&W Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! OR B&W ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/205587-lovely-crosswalk-scene-which-do-you-prefer/?do=findComment&comment=2333116'>More sharing options...
Karl G Posted May 29, 2013 Share #2 Posted May 29, 2013 I like the B&W version personally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
allamande Posted May 29, 2013 Share #3 Posted May 29, 2013 If you are shooting Portra, I believe it is a crime to even think about BW. Ece Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
A miller Posted May 29, 2013 Author Share #4 Posted May 29, 2013 If you are shooting Portra, I believe it is a crime to even think about BW. Ece Thanks, Ece. Very funny. The last time I checked, it was still legal in NYC although frowned upon in some circles. I find that I get a better scan with color negatives vs B&W negatives. So I often use porta film so as to preserve the option of turning off the color channels in PP if the context of the image so dictates. Invariably, I am so struck by the colors that I simply cannot bring myself to give them up. This may be one of the situations... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauledell Posted May 29, 2013 Share #5 Posted May 29, 2013 Adam, I like to break the law, despite what Ece says. I like either version equally well. Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malland Posted May 29, 2013 Share #6 Posted May 29, 2013 I think that the color one is substantially better because the composition becomes too busy and makes the viewer's eyes dart all over the place with the B&W one, while the color one brings the eyes to the signs and then to the woman with the dog. Generally, this type of composition, in my view works better with a 28mm rather than with a 50mm, pushing the background building further back. —Mitch/Paris Paris Obvious [WIP] Eggleston said that he was "at war with the obvious"... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
azzo Posted May 29, 2013 Share #7 Posted May 29, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) B&W for me but with a crop as there's simply too much. Adam, I honestly hope you don't mind. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/205587-lovely-crosswalk-scene-which-do-you-prefer/?do=findComment&comment=2333253'>More sharing options...
A miller Posted May 29, 2013 Author Share #8 Posted May 29, 2013 Many thanks, Paul, Mitch and Ivan. Ivan - I don't mind at all. In fact, I am grateful that you took the time. If I am seeing this correctly, your crop is very subtle and chopped off only the part of the image on the right leading up to the sign. I don't have a problem with this, and will stare at it for a while and see if it grows on me. Thanks again for your take on this. The fact that there is no clear winner suggest to me that this image may not be so "lovely" after all. It was a bit presumptuous of me to use this adjective in the title. Tried to delete it soon after but was not able to. I'm happy for others to express a view on the cropping if they wish... I am reposting the color version with Ivan's crop Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/205587-lovely-crosswalk-scene-which-do-you-prefer/?do=findComment&comment=2333336'>More sharing options...
stuny Posted May 29, 2013 Share #9 Posted May 29, 2013 Adam - In all four versions I prefer the B&W precisely because the complexity is so important to the shot. My favorites are Ivan's crop B&W and then your origianl B&W. It's not unusual for me to see photos that are very nearly as lovely in color and B&W. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
allamande Posted May 29, 2013 Share #10 Posted May 29, 2013 Last one (in Portra color ) works great! Ece Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmldds Posted May 29, 2013 Share #11 Posted May 29, 2013 I like the color version for its beautiful colors, but the B+W for its graphic quality. The colorful signs compete too much with the subjects. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
azzo Posted May 29, 2013 Share #12 Posted May 29, 2013 Last one (in Portra color ) works great! Ece But, ... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Again, I honestly hope you forgive me once again Adam. Simply trying hard to prove a point and that now, my view is only on the cute dog. ... ps: Now, it's a 10/10 shot and you're wrong if I may, as it is lovely!! ps: Adam, I shall ask for this last post of mine to be deleted, should you wish. Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Again, I honestly hope you forgive me once again Adam. Simply trying hard to prove a point and that now, my view is only on the cute dog. ... ps: Now, it's a 10/10 shot and you're wrong if I may, as it is lovely!! ps: Adam, I shall ask for this last post of mine to be deleted, should you wish. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/205587-lovely-crosswalk-scene-which-do-you-prefer/?do=findComment&comment=2333703'>More sharing options...
A miller Posted May 29, 2013 Author Share #13 Posted May 29, 2013 Hi Azzo - Please, don't be silly. You and anyone else can suggest revisions to my pictures anytime. If I thought a picture was perfect, I frankly wouldn't post it here! So please, make chopped salad out of my pictures if need be! As far as I can tell, you've shortened the height a bit, reduced the exposure a tad and added some vignetting so that the light of the scene, and thus the focal point, is more the in the center in the area of the dog. This is very interesting. I personally was becoming attached to the eccletic markings on the street signs. But when I get home tonight I will pull up this picture in LR and try my hand at this approach and then stare at it for a couple of days and see how it grows on me. You have given me a 10 of out 10 level of input on this picture and I can't thank you enough! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
azzo Posted May 29, 2013 Share #14 Posted May 29, 2013 .. As far as I can tell, you've shortened the height a bit, reduced the exposure a tad and added some vignetting so that the light of the scene, and thus the focal point, is more the in the center in the area of the dog. You have given me a 10 of out 10 level of input on this picture and I can't thank you enough! Shortened the height in both takes Adam. Just couldn't work it out earlier today as I did now. And yes, the focal point should be in the centre of the pic. Your timing was perfect ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Sellitto Posted May 30, 2013 Share #15 Posted May 30, 2013 ........Generally, this type of composition, in my view works better with a 28mm rather than with a 50mm, pushing the background building further back. —Mitch/Paris Paris Obvious [WIP] Eggleston said that he was "at war with the obvious"... Sorry I can't agree with such an overgeneralization. To state the obvious it's how the photographer sizes it up. That scene can be knocked out of the park with a 50mm as well as a 28mm. IMHO of coarse. I love your Eggleston statement! Frank Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
A miller Posted May 30, 2013 Author Share #16 Posted May 30, 2013 Just thought that I would share what I ultimately landed on in terms of my own rendition of the scene that I shot. The B&W version is a little brighter than what was suggested. I have taken in account the darkening that will occur in the print process. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/205587-lovely-crosswalk-scene-which-do-you-prefer/?do=findComment&comment=2333990'>More sharing options...
lanetomlane Posted May 30, 2013 Share #17 Posted May 30, 2013 Lovely, in this case I think I prefer the colour version. Regards, Tom Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malland Posted May 30, 2013 Share #18 Posted May 30, 2013 No, for me, these are now both way over-processed and have become too heavy-handed. —Mitch/Paris My flickr site Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
A miller Posted May 30, 2013 Author Share #19 Posted May 30, 2013 Hi Mitch - sincere thanks for your observation. I think I agree with you and have toned down the regular and micro contrast to remove the blotching effect around the street signs and to restore some of the softness of the scene as I saw it. Your comment is most welcome b/c it is often very easy to get carried away with the PP. Not b/c I intend to have that look but rather simply b/c sometimes too much fiddling leads to overkill (I do, after all, need to bring the rather flat scanned negative to life in Lightroom, and it is easy to tweak a little too much). I actually much prefer to have natural looking pictures and so I am much more in your camp. I see so much photography on instagram etc that is over-processed to hell and I just thank this forum for pointing out to me when I've gone overboard on the PP. It has grounded my purist view. Thanks again. Adam Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted June 19, 2013 Share #20 Posted June 19, 2013 B&W for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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