erl Posted April 30, 2013 Share #401 Posted April 30, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) erl, this comment was in response to to jdlaing saying his bottom plate had doors.Im glad the bottom plate works for you though. BTW- just to clarify, Im a film maker not a professional photographer. So I dont use any still camera to shoot thousands of images a day. I am sure I read somewhere that there is an after market bottom plate that does have such doors. Interesting but not necessary for me. Whoops! I just told kdriceman this diversion was over. Sorry! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted April 30, 2013 Posted April 30, 2013 Hi erl, Take a look here M Color. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
edwardkaraa Posted April 30, 2013 Share #402 Posted April 30, 2013 There are some people who really believe that they can force Leica to make changes to colors, design philosophy, or whatever they don't like on a certain camera, by complaining very loudly on the forums, directing rude insults towards Leica and anyone who does not agree with their version of the truth, threatening to sell off their gear, never to buy Leica again... etc. Now they're on a crusade against the M10. It will change as soon as a new model is announced Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdriceman Posted April 30, 2013 Share #403 Posted April 30, 2013 Your patient wait for the M240 I think needs to extend to WB and profile fixes. History indicates they will all come in 'good' time. I hope it may be sooner! I believe the 'fill-in' discussion on 'flap doors' has run its course. That is what happens when the real action is slow anywhere, eg. waiting for colour fixes. I envy you the prospect of the new M. At present I am unable to justify it. Still, I am happy with the M9-P. I'm really in no hurry. I'm happy for it to arrive, but I've been shooting film and an MM since I sold my M9 and that has been good. The M240 will get here when it gets here. And it is a difficult decision because I was very pleased with the M9, but I like some of the improvements on the M. I don't even mind a thread straying OT, but, goodness, the flap door debate... it reminds me of the silly arguments my kids have. "My pancake is bigger than yours". "Is not". "Is too". "Not"..... Perhaps it's just been too long a day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
macjonny1 Posted April 30, 2013 Share #404 Posted April 30, 2013 I think the new M should have a remote control that I can point at it, and the door will open on the bottom, and I won't have to spend the two seconds requires to open it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted April 30, 2013 Share #405 Posted April 30, 2013 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted April 30, 2013 Share #406 Posted April 30, 2013 It has not degenerated. The discussion is on things that concern real users.Don't click on the thread if it bores you. I for one would click on a thread with a subject of ‘M Color’ when I am interested in M colour. Which, as it happens, I am. On the other hand I don’t care that much about detachable bottom plates versus flimsy flap doors. Are you saying I should ignore this thread from now since it is throughly derailed and stands no chance of getting back on track? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Chen Posted April 30, 2013 Share #407 Posted April 30, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) I am an avid student of many Leica M shooters, and have followed their work in all its subtile iterations, often for years. IMO, some who have enthusiastically taken up the M240 have made a demarkation that they deem as good, or more often, for the better ... yet based on what my eye tells me when I look at their work with this camera so far, I am not so sure that the aesthetic shift isn't for the worse. There is just something off about it all, and I am no scientist to say why in an analytical way. Does the statement “….I am not so sure that the aesthetic shift isn't for the worse. There is just something off about it all, and I am no scientist to say why in an analytical way.” have any relevance with what Mr. Pieterpronk mentioned in the link #245: “personally, I think the new M completes a shift from more subtle colors to higher contrast bolder colors. The shift has been going on in lenses, and I would say the transition from the M9 to the M is a move in the same direction. But thats my subjective evaluation which you shouldn't listen to. )”? Thomas Chen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 30, 2013 Share #408 Posted April 30, 2013 If that is the difference it is utterly irrelevant, as those parameters can be set in post processing, or even on the camera for jpg. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandymc Posted April 30, 2013 Share #409 Posted April 30, 2013 I for one would click on a thread with a subject of ‘M Color’ when I am interested in M colour. Which, as it happens, I am. On the other hand I don’t care that much about detachable bottom plates versus flimsy flap doors. Are you saying I should ignore this thread from now since it is throughly derailed and stands no chance of getting back on track? It may be worth creating a new AWB thread - one thing that has come out of this thread is that, based on the images that "thighslapper" posed back in post 264, there is a real problem with white balance on the M240. Don't know what it is, but some of the examples there are well off what they should be. Sandy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwbell Posted April 30, 2013 Share #410 Posted April 30, 2013 If that is the difference it is utterly irrelevant, as those parameters can be set in post processing, or even on the camera for jpg. But... I think this is this thread comes undone. Some think it's a simple x-rite profile and rey Card away from perfection, which a firmware will fix. Others think the colours are "baked" wrong on the sensor and no amount of PP will help. That's the basis for me asking for someone to shoot McBeth targets, so that those with a fine eye can profile and THEN assess the behaviour of the sensor under various conditions. RickLeica was going in the right direction but his post was removed and my response to it also. Oddly. Edit - in fact was it not you Sandymc (above) who questioned the 'baked in' colours pre-launch in the Dr Rhodes thread? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 30, 2013 Share #411 Posted April 30, 2013 If that is the difference.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwbell Posted April 30, 2013 Share #412 Posted April 30, 2013 . IF NOT; THEN... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 30, 2013 Share #413 Posted April 30, 2013 We all have no idea what we are talking about Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted April 30, 2013 Share #414 Posted April 30, 2013 We all have no idea what we are talking about So, what process do you suggest to change that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwbell Posted April 30, 2013 Share #415 Posted April 30, 2013 We all have no idea what we are talking about Quite possibly. Hence my desire for more concrete information. Baseline ascertaining. Comparative tests with other "good at skin tones" cameras. Etc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Chen Posted April 30, 2013 Share #416 Posted April 30, 2013 . I have to say I've not been posting much to Flickr of late... Chris, Thank you just the same. Thomas Chen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 30, 2013 Share #417 Posted April 30, 2013 So, what process do you suggest to change that? Wait and see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1JB Posted April 30, 2013 Share #418 Posted April 30, 2013 The only thing I'm sure of is that none of this is going to speed up Leica in it's fix of the discreet shutter bug in the firmware released Last JULY. (To get the full effect you have to say the "last July" part in the Tom Hank's - Forrest Gump voice ala the bus scene where Jenny is going off with her latest loser at the rally in DC. Just thought I'd mention that.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted April 30, 2013 Share #419 Posted April 30, 2013 The advantage for the M is that Leica are managing the firmware development in house. The problem with the M9 is that each time there was a change they had to pay Jenoptic a lot of money. I live in hope - and really don't have big issues with WB on the M anyway...and I'm neither colour-blind, working with uncalibrated monitors or just a complete slob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted April 30, 2013 Share #420 Posted April 30, 2013 The advantage for the M is that Leica are managing the firmware development in house. The problem with the M9 is that each time there was a change they had to pay Jenoptic a lot of money. I live in hope - and really don't have big issues with WB on the M anyway...and I'm neither colour-blind, working with uncalibrated monitors or just a complete slob Hi Chris, Do you use AWB? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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