Where to invest, new M240 or used Noctilux 0.95?

[jonogilmour]

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"Invest" is a funny word. Almost makes me think you will put it in a safe, unopened, and pop it out in 30 years to sell it for more than you paid.

 

Why not get something you need and will use? If you need the lens, then get the lens (eg if you have a lot of low light needs). If you want to upgrade to the M, then do that instead. If you already have an M9 I would say your money would be best spent on lenses, or invested somewhere with a good return, so when the M11 (M2? M280??) comes out in a few years you'll be able to have that and then some.

 

Or, take that money and buy 3 equally as good lenses for the same price as the Noctilux, like the tri-elmar, the 35 'cron ASPH, or the new APO-50 'cron. Or a couple of Summilux's. This is why I'd never plop down the cash for a Noctilux, as I would find 2-3 lenses more fun to use together versus one lens

[macjonny1]

"Invest" is a funny word. Almost makes me think you will put it in a safe' date=' unopened, and pop it out in 30 years to sell it for more than you paid. Why not get something you need and will use? If you need the lens, then get the lens (eg if you have a lot of low light needs). If you want to upgrade to the M, then do that instead. If you already have an M9 I would say your money would be best spent on lenses, or invested somewhere with a good return, so when the M11 (M2? M280??) comes out in a few years you'll be able to have that and then some. Or, take that money and buy 3 equally as good lenses for the same price as the Noctilux, like the tri-elmar, the 35 'cron ASPH, or the new APO-50 'cron. Or a couple of Summilux's. This is why I'd never plop down the cash for a Noctilux, as I would find 2-3 lenses more fun to use together versus one lens[/quote']

 

Different strokes. You could find 3 or more to replace that 50 APO I find incredibly overpriced. You could find three Zeiss or CV to replace those other Leica lenses. Depends what you are after

[tomasis7]

For your own sake and learning to take real pictures, ditch nocti.

 

If you still suffer of thin dof obsess, put a cheap Canon 70-200, set on 200 and spy on hidden flowers, women eyelashes and cat mustaches

[otto.f]

You mean you already own the MM?

 

My answer to your question: there is only one exception to the rule: invest in lenses not in bodies, and that is the MM. So go for the Nocti if that intrigues you (although I would never buy it because of the closest distance of 1m, I would spend my money on a Summilux 75 if I I want the shallowest depth of field), you will always be able to sell beneficial in a few years which is not the case with a body.

[Guest Gilgamesh]

Hi.

On a quick read through your needs and observations are a mis-match.

You want better iso - why? Night / low light shooting by you comments. Is that the bulk of your images I wonder?

 

A f0.95 lens is going to give a "look". Is that really what you value in a shot? I suspect this lens sells well in the AmPhotog-with-money circles but in the Real World, nope, not a chance! Get a f1.4.

 

Buying a 0.95 is like putting a carbon fibre go faster stripe on a Ducati, a tad pointless but a good laugh to those who ride quickly without fancy goods being slapped onto a machine. You will be providing a source of amusement by going this route to only a few here on this site though.

 

The fast lens negates entirely one of the absolute beauties of the M series, namely is that it's well balanced, small and unobtrusive (read: "because it is a smaller, lighter package"). What a waste of resources, slapping a double decker bus onto a Mini, just so you can impress the great unwashed neighbours!

 

So, you want weather shielding, but don't (your observations not mine), you want 2 years warranty (? why?) you want - correction, you would like - better iso performance.

What % of all that you shoot is night / evening? If that answer is over say 40%, spend the money.

 

It's a bit o' a pointless question really, for you, a Noctilux is what you're attempting to justify and we bystanders are seemingly draw into your web of confusion and self delusion.

 

You want that go-faster stripe from the Ducati catalogue, made specifically with wealthy amateurs in mind, so you can look and feel faster than you will ever be (unless you take professional tuition), even look like a WSB / MotoGp rider, you see this with all premium manufacturers, a product designed with one market in mind, men with money to spend. I used to have a wedding package just like this and it never ceased to surprise me just how many wealthy couples went for this level, never really needing it when it came down to it.

 

My advice: don't spend money you don't need to spend, or ditch the M9 and upgrade to the M240. Either way - none of this is an "investment" in purely fiscal terms.

 

Solution: Work on your photography, go and "invest" the funds (if in deed you need to spend this money) in courses, master classes (have you applied for the September Magnum Workshops as yet and if not, why not?), a trip to a completely new territory (Antarctica this Xmas perhaps?) , don't stuff about with a supadupa carbon go-faster stripe on a Ducati as you'll be laughed at for completely missing the point & looking daft on your first track day.

 

The Emperor's New clothing & Fool's Gold both sell well 'round these parts, don't you know?

 

PS - I have just returned from a second 6 day trip photographing some of the tallest sand dunes on the planet and the M240 knocked the D800e into a cocked hat. The files are simply stunning. The D800e however takes 150mm+ lenses with aplomb, 200mm being about the best focal length. But then I take pictures for my living. I do not aspire to own a GoFaster strip on my 748 as I have a race license.

[349A]

What a condescending reply.

[Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS]

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Hi.

On a quick read through your needs and observations are a mis-match.

You want better iso - why? Night / low light shooting by you comments. Is that the bulk of your images I wonder?

 

A f0.95 lens is going to give a "look". Is that really what you value in a shot? I suspect this lens sells well in the AmPhotog-with-money circles but in the Real World, nope, not a chance! Get a f1.4.

 

Buying a 0.95 is like putting a carbon fibre go faster stripe on a Ducati, a tad pointless but a good laugh to those who ride quickly without fancy goods being slapped onto a machine. You will be providing a source of amusement by going this route to only a few here on this site though.

 

The fast lens negates entirely one of the absolute beauties of the M series, namely is that it's well balanced, small and unobtrusive (read: "because it is a smaller, lighter package"). What a waste of resources, slapping a double decker bus onto a Mini, just so you can impress the great unwashed neighbours!

 

So, you want weather shielding, but don't (your observations not mine), you want 2 years warranty (? why?) you want - correction, you would like - better iso performance.

What % of all that you shoot is night / evening? If that answer is over say 40%, spend the money.

 

It's a bit o' a pointless question really, for you, a Noctilux is what you're attempting to justify and we bystanders are seemingly draw into your web of confusion and self delusion.

 

You want that go-faster stripe from the Ducati catalogue, made specifically with wealthy amateurs in mind, so you can look and feel faster than you will ever be (unless you take professional tuition), even look like a WSB / MotoGp rider, you see this with all premium manufacturers, a product designed with one market in mind, men with money to spend. I used to have a wedding package just like this and it never ceased to surprise me just how many wealthy couples went for this level, never really needing it when it came down to it.

 

My advice: don't spend money you don't need to spend, or ditch the M9 and upgrade to the M240. Either way - none of this is an "investment" in purely fiscal terms.

 

Solution: Work on your photography, go and "invest" the funds (if in deed you need to spend this money) in courses, master classes (have you applied for the September Magnum Workshops as yet and if not, why not?), a trip to a completely new territory (Antarctica this Xmas perhaps?) , don't stuff about with a supadupa carbon go-faster stripe on a Ducati as you'll be laughed at for completely missing the point & looking daft on your first track day.

 

The Emperor's New clothing & Fool's Gold both sell well 'round these parts, don't you know?

 

PS - I have just returned from a second 6 day trip photographing some of the tallest sand dunes on the planet and the M240 knocked the D800e into a cocked hat. The files are simply stunning. The D800e however takes 150mm+ lenses with aplomb, 200mm being about the best focal length. But then I take pictures for my living. I do not aspire to own a GoFaster strip on my 748 as I have a race license.

what a load of cods wallop, absolutely BS and unfounded..................get a life pal

[BerndReini]

If we are talking "investment", then absolutely go for the Noctilux. The price of the Noctilux will not drop below $8,000 because there won't be an alternative to the look it gives you. The M will drop in price significantly when a new M is announced. I believe it will drop more than the M9 since the M9 is the last CCD sensor M. The M240 upgrade will just be an improvement all around, which I believe will lead to a more saturated used market.

[tomasis7]

as investment, it would be good idea to buy Patek watch and Noctilux lense. Play sun burn through lense. Not worth owning a body as the value depreciates fast as another mentioned it

[tomasis7]

Hi.

On a quick read through your needs and observations are a mis-match.

You want better iso - why? Night / low light shooting by you comments. Is that the bulk of your images I wonder?

 

A f0.95 lens is going to give a "look". Is that really what you value in a shot? I suspect this lens sells well in the AmPhotog-with-money circles but in the Real World, nope, not a chance! Get a f1.4.

 

Buying a 0.95 is like putting a carbon fibre go faster stripe on a Ducati, a tad pointless but a good laugh to those who ride quickly without fancy goods being slapped onto a machine. You will be providing a source of amusement by going this route to only a few here on this site though.

 

The fast lens negates entirely one of the absolute beauties of the M series, namely is that it's well balanced, small and unobtrusive (read: "because it is a smaller, lighter package"). What a waste of resources, slapping a double decker bus onto a Mini, just so you can impress the great unwashed neighbours!

 

So, you want weather shielding, but don't (your observations not mine), you want 2 years warranty (? why?) you want - correction, you would like - better iso performance.

What % of all that you shoot is night / evening? If that answer is over say 40%, spend the money.

 

It's a bit o' a pointless question really, for you, a Noctilux is what you're attempting to justify and we bystanders are seemingly draw into your web of confusion and self delusion.

 

You want that go-faster stripe from the Ducati catalogue, made specifically with wealthy amateurs in mind, so you can look and feel faster than you will ever be (unless you take professional tuition), even look like a WSB / MotoGp rider, you see this with all premium manufacturers, a product designed with one market in mind, men with money to spend. I used to have a wedding package just like this and it never ceased to surprise me just how many wealthy couples went for this level, never really needing it when it came down to it.

 

My advice: don't spend money you don't need to spend, or ditch the M9 and upgrade to the M240. Either way - none of this is an "investment" in purely fiscal terms.

 

Solution: Work on your photography, go and "invest" the funds (if in deed you need to spend this money) in courses, master classes (have you applied for the September Magnum Workshops as yet and if not, why not?), a trip to a completely new territory (Antarctica this Xmas perhaps?) , don't stuff about with a supadupa carbon go-faster stripe on a Ducati as you'll be laughed at for completely missing the point & looking daft on your first track day.

 

The Emperor's New clothing & Fool's Gold both sell well 'round these parts, don't you know?

 

PS - I have just returned from a second 6 day trip photographing some of the tallest sand dunes on the planet and the M240 knocked the D800e into a cocked hat. The files are simply stunning. The D800e however takes 150mm+ lenses with aplomb, 200mm being about the best focal length. But then I take pictures for my living. I do not aspire to own a GoFaster strip on my 748 as I have a race license.

 

one of best answers for a while.

 

all people put money on gear could go to training but i dont want go around and insult

 

if some say it is specialty lens, everybody wants to be specialist, racer, f1 driver.

 

On other hand, it is good have loads of investors, guinea pigs that help leica going and deliver good products to photogs after some feedback delivered by unknown little creatures earlier. To fight against fondlers is like to be Don Quichote with all impossible goals/visions/demons.

[erl]

Hi.

On a quick read through your needs and observations are a mis-match.

You want better iso - why? Night / low light shooting by you comments. Is that the bulk of your images I wonder?

 

A f0.95 lens is going to give a "look". Is that really what you value in a shot? I suspect this lens sells well in the AmPhotog-with-money circles but in the Real World, nope, not a chance! Get a f1.4.

 

Buying a 0.95 is like putting a carbon fibre go faster stripe on a Ducati, a tad pointless but a good laugh to those who ride quickly without fancy goods being slapped onto a machine. You will be providing a source of amusement by going this route to only a few here on this site though.

 

The fast lens negates entirely one of the absolute beauties of the M series, namely is that it's well balanced, small and unobtrusive (read: "because it is a smaller, lighter package"). What a waste of resources, slapping a double decker bus onto a Mini, just so you can impress the great unwashed neighbours!

 

So, you want weather shielding, but don't (your observations not mine), you want 2 years warranty (? why?) you want - correction, you would like - better iso performance.

What % of all that you shoot is night / evening? If that answer is over say 40%, spend the money.

 

It's a bit o' a pointless question really, for you, a Noctilux is what you're attempting to justify and we bystanders are seemingly draw into your web of confusion and self delusion.

 

You want that go-faster stripe from the Ducati catalogue, made specifically with wealthy amateurs in mind, so you can look and feel faster than you will ever be (unless you take professional tuition), even look like a WSB / MotoGp rider, you see this with all premium manufacturers, a product designed with one market in mind, men with money to spend. I used to have a wedding package just like this and it never ceased to surprise me just how many wealthy couples went for this level, never really needing it when it came down to it.

 

My advice: don't spend money you don't need to spend, or ditch the M9 and upgrade to the M240. Either way - none of this is an "investment" in purely fiscal terms.

 

Solution: Work on your photography, go and "invest" the funds (if in deed you need to spend this money) in courses, master classes (have you applied for the September Magnum Workshops as yet and if not, why not?), a trip to a completely new territory (Antarctica this Xmas perhaps?) , don't stuff about with a supadupa carbon go-faster stripe on a Ducati as you'll be laughed at for completely missing the point & looking daft on your first track day.

 

The Emperor's New clothing & Fool's Gold both sell well 'round these parts, don't you know?

 

PS - I have just returned from a second 6 day trip photographing some of the tallest sand dunes on the planet and the M240 knocked the D800e into a cocked hat. The files are simply stunning. The D800e however takes 150mm+ lenses with aplomb, 200mm being about the best focal length. But then I take pictures for my living. I do not aspire to own a GoFaster strip on my 748 as I have a race license.

Phew!

What a load of trumpet blowing rubbish.

Fancy expressions about 'gofast stripes' and having a race license.

 

Returning to the gear in question, the Noctilux does NOT overbalance an M camera and it is not a 'double decker bus'. Perhaps you should spend some time using the combo, and if you have, maybe consider the workman at fault rather than the tools.

 

If you really wanted to dissuade the OP from a certain path of choice, that is fine but deliver some cogent reasons, not rubbish.

 

As a long time user of the combo, I find it to be a specialized tool, as is every lens really, and has a real place in some work bags, but not all. Telling someone else it is a 'waste of money' et al is just uninformed commentary. Imagine telling Van Gough what brush or canvas to use. LOL.

 

You probably would.

[Guest badbob]

I bought the new Noctilux, and I'm reminded of this quote I read a long time ago, also ironically about cars: "There is nothing like a Rolls - nothing - not even a Bentley".

 

And there is nothing quite like a Noctilux - it's a unique item.

[NZDavid]

I bought the new Noctilux, and I'm reminded of this quote I read a long time ago, also ironically about cars: "There is nothing like a Rolls - nothing - not even a Bentley".

 

And there is nothing quite like a Noctilux - it's a unique item.

 

Of course a Bentley is not like a Rolls-Royce. One is owned by BMW and the other by Volkswagen.

 

A fast lens would be far more use.

[Guest badbob]

Of course a Bentley is not like a Rolls-Royce. One is owned by BMW and the other by Volkswagen.

 

A fast lens would be far more use.

 

A Nocti is really really fast.

[bernd_muc]

(MM+0.95)

 

 

Somehow on the MM, the DOF and Bokeh don't really work that well ... Are you sure this is taken at 0.95?

 

Bernd

[Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS]

Somehow on the MM, the DOF and Bokeh don't realAnd Dork that well ... Are you sure this is taken at 0.95?

 

Bernd

 

I've seen other pictures shot with mm and Noctilux with fantastic bokeh and DOF

[bernd_muc]

[...] realAnd Dork [...]

Wow ... interesting things happening here when quoting

 

I've seen other pictures shot with mm and Noctilux with fantastic bokeh and DOF

I have, too. But this is not one of these, right?

 

Bernd

[Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS]

Wow ... interesting things happening here when quoting

 

I have, too. But this is not one of these, right?

 

Bernd

 

Yes sir not this one

[01af]

Are you sure this is taken at 0.95?

He didn't say it was taken at f/0.95. He just said the Noctilux lens was used.

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[AlwinM240]

I have an M-240 and a Noctilux .95. I am a hobbyist, I use it for instagram... If you have the money, get it don't bother asking...I have the Noctilux .95, 24mm Summilux 1.4 and 35mm...I enjoyed shooting with all of them. I am not a very good photographer, but I have it.. At the end of the day, buy whatever pleases you...