gesper Posted March 29, 2007 Share #1 Posted March 29, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) While the camera seems to be working fine, my shutter seems to have developed a tear and buckling in the top section (see picture below, taken with Dlux3). I sent the picture to Leica USA but haven't heard back yet. I am positive nothing has touched the shutter, but am not sure how long it has been like this. This is an early model that has been back to Solms for the "upgrade," but I have no idea if this happened before, after, or during. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/20137-m8-shutter-damage/?do=findComment&comment=215660'>More sharing options...
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Photoskeptic Posted March 29, 2007 Share #2 Posted March 29, 2007 It appears to have struck with a sharp object. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted March 29, 2007 Share #3 Posted March 29, 2007 If it hit some other part of the shutter, there will be damage on another blade. Leica would be able to examine it and see if this is the case. Otherwise it must be caused by an intruding object. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gesper Posted March 29, 2007 Author Share #4 Posted March 29, 2007 It hasnt been struck by anything unless it happend during repairs as Solms. Also, if you look at the tear, it actually is on the bottom edge of the top shutter leaf, which I think would be hard to do since this leaf is behind the others. Most damage I have seen on the forum seems to happen to the topmost leaves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted March 30, 2007 Share #5 Posted March 30, 2007 You mentioned the tear and buckling of the top blade. Also, there seems to be a small white smudge about 1/4 of the way from the right on the blade just below the white blade. Is that real? Could any of this be caused by some of the gunk others have said seems to be part of initial shipments of cameras with digital sensors? --HC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gesper Posted March 30, 2007 Author Share #6 Posted March 30, 2007 I looked again with a magnifying glass and the other mark looks like the start of another tear. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted March 30, 2007 Share #7 Posted March 30, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Really strange. An earlier thread also spoke of shutter damage--http://www.leica-camera-user.com/digital-forum/20034-m8-shutter-blade-fracture.html. No consistency between the two that I can see. Obviously it's a job for Leica repair. Did you send your email to any specific individual? Perhaps you ought to call if they still haven't gotten back to you. They all do double work in normal times, and this is far busier than normal. I don't think I've ever heard of shutter blades fracturing before. Sorry for the problem. --HC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andit Posted March 30, 2007 Share #8 Posted March 30, 2007 This thread makes me worry... That is the second shutter damage this week to have been posted here. Just think of it, maybe this is how the shutter damage started on the first post. In both cases the users say that no lens was mounted that could have come in contact with the shutter. Hopefully this is not a problem with the shutter mechanism and the beginning of another trip to Solms for all the M8's... Andreas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhoutman Posted March 30, 2007 Share #9 Posted March 30, 2007 an UFO ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted March 30, 2007 Share #10 Posted March 30, 2007 And the mark on the lens bayonet above the lens latch. Is that the chrome plating wearing off and the underlying brass showing? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steich Posted March 30, 2007 Share #11 Posted March 30, 2007 @gesper Which lens(es) did you use before this happened? The guy with the other damaged shutter said he used a Canon 50mm f/0.95 lens and a CV40mm f/1.4. Could it be that the Canon or the CV is too long for the M8? I understand that the M8 sensor is *very* close to the lens...closer than the other Ms. I haven´t either of these lenses- so is there anybody out there using them? Any other shutter damages (or marks on the blades)? Regards Stefan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gesper Posted March 30, 2007 Author Share #12 Posted March 30, 2007 . Obviously it's a job for Leica repair. Did you send your email to any specific individual? Perhaps you ought to call if they still haven't gotten back to you. They all do double work in normal times, and this is far busier than normal. --HC Sent it to Robert Fisk, who always responds eventually. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gesper Posted March 30, 2007 Author Share #13 Posted March 30, 2007 And the mark on the lens bayonet above the lens latch. Is that the chrome plating wearing off and the underlying brass showing? No, that is the residue from the adapter rings I am using for a CV15mm and a CV 25mm. There was more, but I wiped it off. There is a bare brass section on the adapter ring. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravastar Posted March 30, 2007 Share #14 Posted March 30, 2007 @gesperWhich lens(es) did you use before this happened? The guy with the other damaged shutter said he used a Canon 50mm f/0.95 lens and a CV40mm f/1.4. Could it be that the Canon or the CV is too long for the M8? I understand that the M8 sensor is *very* close to the lens...closer than the other Ms. I haven´t either of these lenses- so is there anybody out there using them? Any other shutter damages (or marks on the blades)? Regards Stefan I use those lenses on the M8 without any problems. In fact the rear lens cell of both does not extend beyond the back of the bayonet mount, so they protrude into the camera much less than most other lenses. Bob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gesper Posted March 30, 2007 Author Share #15 Posted March 30, 2007 Which lens(es) did you use before this happened? I have only used the following: 35mm Summicron (new, coded) CV15mm (new) CV25mm (new) Hard to imagine how any of these could have caused any problems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted March 30, 2007 Share #16 Posted March 30, 2007 Funny, isn't it? In order to avoid dust problems, we try to avoid changing lenses and looking into the body cavity. So while it's sitting there unattended, the shutter starts falling apart. But Leica has used metal-bladed shutters since the R3, and Copal has produced metal-bladed shutters since before then. This isn't new technology unless the blades are made of some new material, and that shouldn't be necessary since the R9 and D200 have similar top speeds (I think). Keep us posted on developments. No way those lenses could have caused this problem. The only other thing I can think of that might have caused the problem is a piece of grit or grunge getting between the blades. But now if there's a second tear starting, that's a heavy coincidence. --HC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gesper Posted March 31, 2007 Author Share #17 Posted March 31, 2007 OK, since I originally started this thread and posted the picture, I have done absolutely nothing to the camera other than take pictures (65 images). I took off the lens+ to look at it today and now the tear has progressed almost to the top of the shutter. I expect it will completely fall apart soon. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/20137-m8-shutter-damage/?do=findComment&comment=217245'>More sharing options...
robsteve Posted April 1, 2007 Share #18 Posted April 1, 2007 You will want stop using it and get that repaired soon. If the shutter blows up and damages the sensor, you may have quite a repair on your hand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley Posted April 1, 2007 Share #19 Posted April 1, 2007 there has to be something in there that has fouled that shutter and precipitated the break it appears as if the shutter travels up and too the left as seen in the photo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ustein Posted April 1, 2007 Share #20 Posted April 1, 2007 >You will want stop using it and get that repaired soon. If the shutter blows up and damages the sensor, you may have quite a repair on your hand. I second this. Uwe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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