Zenny Posted March 21, 2013 Share #1 Posted March 21, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Regrets Zenny Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted March 21, 2013 Posted March 21, 2013 Hi Zenny, Take a look here Video Review of the M240 published by "The Camera Store", Canada. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
dalfrednix Posted March 21, 2013 Share #2 Posted March 21, 2013 Well, I am first in line with Berger Camera in NY and the negative comments about the Ms video capabilities have not changed my mind about purchasing the camera. I shoot almost exclusively landscapes with an occassional portrait of my grandchildren. So I'm "hanging in there" with high expectations for this camera. If it doesn't work for my landscapes I will sell it and move to something else. This is my first Leica. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted March 21, 2013 Share #3 Posted March 21, 2013 Hmm - a review of an M from someone who "doesn't get range-finder focusing" is always good value... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iedei Posted March 21, 2013 Share #4 Posted March 21, 2013 i already dislike the M240 from the uninspiring photos i've seen as well as the excessive features which make me cringe....but after watching this video and seeing him gush over live view and barely use the rangefinder at all-----i am definitively convinced that I will probably never want one as this camera is not for those of us who want to keep things simple and functional. It's for those who wanted more features.....i wanted less features. Hell i don't even use a light meter at all on my M8....nor do i use the framelines meter or anything.....i don't even preview my photos after taking them.....i just want a device to click and take the photos i want...i want to focus myself....and i don't want video. i am just happy that Leica will (hopefully) continue to market a more bare/stripped down Ms like the M-E. I hope they always do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannybuoy Posted March 21, 2013 Share #5 Posted March 21, 2013 I don't even look at my photos once I've taken them. Just download them to may mac with an automated task. I'll never look at them. I know they are too good to be looked at. One day they'll be discovered on an HDD in a toxic computer sludge swamp in Mexico and I'll become famous Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nelly Posted March 21, 2013 Share #6 Posted March 21, 2013 The comparison shots show a marked difference in how the M renders color and where as the M9 and RX1 had a similar color cast the M was much redder/warmer and perhaps not as accurate The video results seem very disappointing especially the camera jitter, producing video you would never want to watch. It seems that video is only usable shot on a tripod. As a M9 and film M user myself I did have high hopes but I am not that impressed with what I am seeing The only benefits I really see for me are some small gains at higher iso's, a quieter shutter, higher resolution lcd and better battery life. I really expected more from the M but think it may be version 2 or 3 before I am tempted to make the leap and by a Leica timeframe of updating this may be 6-8 years. I had better look after my M9 and Leica film M cameras. Echoing a comment above, I would like to see continued future development and improvement of a stripped down M Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pieterpronk Posted March 21, 2013 Share #7 Posted March 21, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) That seemed like a nice informative honest appraisal of the M10. I'm almost glad most of the extras seem to be added like an afterthought. "Oh, this CMOS censor we just put in actually has some extra abilities, we might as well make them available." I'm glad they dont seem to be main selling points according to Leica, and thus arent things Leica seems very willing to put much of their limited efforts into. Video seems only really useable when put on a tripod and the subject doesnt move too much. And like the guy says, this way I can just say that the M10 doesnt really do video. Weird. Just having those extra features not really working helps me see the M10 as a more pure rangefinder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rirakuma Posted March 21, 2013 Share #8 Posted March 21, 2013 These guys are one of my favourite reviewers but I have to admit they could have been a little more interesting in this review. I find the pictures for this review slightly boring and they could have gone into a little more into IQ rather than just sharpness. Anyway the comment about rangefinder focusing must be a personal preference but if you watch his Monochrom review he's happily using it and happily points out the positives of a rangefinder system. His reviews are very honest and very enjoyable to watch . Hmm - a review of an M from someone who "doesn't get range-finder focusing" is always good value... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rirakuma Posted March 21, 2013 Share #9 Posted March 21, 2013 I was on the fence about the M240 as well but after seeing the pictures I believe it can do what the M9 does and more once the colour profiles are sorted. That and the better build quality, LCD, shutter etc I feel its worth the extra money. i already dislike the M240 from the uninspiring photos i've seen as well as the excessive features which make me cringe....but after watching this video and seeing him gush over live view and barely use the rangefinder at all-----i am definitively convinced that I will probably never want one as this camera is not for those of us who want to keep things simple and functional. It's for those who wanted more features.....i wanted less features. Hell i don't even use a light meter at all on my M8....nor do i use the framelines meter or anything.....i don't even preview my photos after taking them.....i just want a device to click and take the photos i want...i want to focus myself....and i don't want video. i am just happy that Leica will (hopefully) continue to market a more bare/stripped down Ms like the M-E. I hope they always do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenPatterson Posted March 22, 2013 Share #10 Posted March 22, 2013 ... this camera is not for those of us who want to keep things simple and functional. It's for those who wanted more features.....i wanted less features. Hell i don't even use a light meter at all on my M8....nor do i use the framelines meter or anything.....i don't even preview my photos after taking them.....i just want a device to click and take the photos i want...i want to focus myself....and i don't want video. i am just happy that Leica will (hopefully) continue to market a more bare/stripped down Ms like the M-E. I hope they always do. If you don't buy an EVF then the M240 is a faster M9 with a better shutter, better buffer, better battery life, better and cleaner ISO and greater dynamic range and resolution. Video? Forget about it. It's like these new cars that can parallel park by themselves, nobody ever uses the feature but it sounds great at the showroom. Everything about the M240 is an improvement over the M9, including ease of use. Everything else is just an option. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tanks Posted March 22, 2013 Share #11 Posted March 22, 2013 ...i am definitively convinced that I will probably never want one as this camera is not for those of us who want to keep things simple and functional. It's for those who wanted more features.....i wanted less features. Hell i don't even use a light meter at all on my M8....nor do i use the framelines meter or anything.....i don't even preview my photos after taking them.....i just want a device to click and take the photos i want...i want to focus myself....and i don't want video. ... Patient: "doctor, doctor, when I lift my arm like this it hurts." Doctor: "Don't lift your arm like that then". It looks like in many areas the M is an improvement over your M8 in regards to IQ, DR, resolution, greater ISO, ergonomics etc., etc.. Heck, not having to use a UV/IR filter for all the lenses is a huge improvement. Also, the M is full frame while M8 is not. If you do not want to use EVF, live view, video etc., then don't use it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptZoom Posted March 22, 2013 Share #12 Posted March 22, 2013 That seemed like a nice informative honest appraisal of the M10. I'm almost glad most of the extras seem to be added like an afterthought. "Oh, this CMOS censor we just put in actually has some extra abilities, we might as well make them available." I'm glad they dont seem to be main selling points according to Leica, and thus arent things Leica seems very willing to put much of their limited efforts into. Video seems only really useable when put on a tripod and the subject doesnt move too much. And like the guy says, this way I can just say that the M10 doesnt really do video. Weird. Just having those extra features not really working helps me see the M10 as a more pure rangefinder. Your outlook is quiet charitable:) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
douglasf13 Posted March 22, 2013 Share #13 Posted March 22, 2013 If you don't buy an EVF then the M240 is a faster M9 with a better shutter, better buffer, better battery life, better and cleaner ISO and greater dynamic range and resolution. Video? Forget about it. It's like these new cars that can parallel park by themselves, nobody ever uses the feature but it sounds great at the showroom. Everything about the M240 is an improvement over the M9, including ease of use. Everything else is just an option. I'm not sure I'd say the new M is ALL better than the M9, even outside of the IQ debate. Just a few things off of the top of my head: the new M is heavier, larger, extra buttons in the way (especially on the front of the camera,) back isn't as flat because of thumb notch/wheel, no frame lever, can't see frames with camera turned off, debatable startup time, not as aesthetically pleasing (to some.) I'm not saying that those things outweigh a quieter shutter, better battery life, and weather sealing, which are really the only advantages of the new M, for me, but it hasn't felt like enough to bother spending the money on trading up for me, yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted March 23, 2013 Share #14 Posted March 23, 2013 If you don't buy an EVF then the M240 is a faster M9 with a better shutter, better buffer, better battery life, better and cleaner ISO and greater dynamic range and resolution. ...and weather sealing, 2m frame lines, illuminated frame lines, better build quality (based on reviews) and bigger LCD with Gorilla glass. And live view, even if one never uses it for video or long lenses, can be used to better facilitate camera/lens focus calibration checks. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick_S Posted March 23, 2013 Share #15 Posted March 23, 2013 The video results were much poorer than I would have expected, perhaps Leica need to introduce a dedicated lens for hand-held video that utizes in-lens image stabilization (I guess it would need its own battery). On the whole I thought the M Type 240 review was useful, but it would have been nicer if they brought in a couple more rangefinder enthusiasts to take some shots and talk about the camera, as was done with their enjoyable review of the Monochrom. I like the fact that they were not gushing with uncritical praise like some other reviews. Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalArts 99 Posted March 23, 2013 Share #16 Posted March 23, 2013 I'm waiting for the M240/P. With the current 240's better shutter, better buffer, better battery life, better and cleaner ISO, greater dynamic range and resolution, weather sealing, better build quality, bigger/better LCD with Gorilla glass, and live view for camera/lens focus calibration checks. With no video, no EVF port, no gaudy silver buttons, and in a sleek black paint body with no red dot, and the Leica script in white on the top plate. There will also be a special order black chrome option. Leica will offer the M240 'basic' and the M240/P or 'purist.' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted March 23, 2013 Share #17 Posted March 23, 2013 I'm waiting for the M240/P. With the current 240's better shutter, better buffer, better battery life, better and cleaner ISO, greater dynamic range and resolution, weather sealing, better build quality, bigger/better LCD with Gorilla glass, and live view for camera/lens focus calibration checks. With no video, no EVF port, no gaudy silver buttons, and in a sleek black paint body with no red dot, and the Leica script in white on the top plate. There will also be a special order black chrome option. Leica will offer the M240 'basic' and the M240/P or 'purist.' I wrote something similar elsewhere, except without live view (despite the one advantage I mentioned), resulting in a M-E(P), with an updated CCD sensor. This was more fantasy than reality (Leica would need a new CCD supplier, and sales of the M240 might be cannibalized), but I'd sure like one, in chrome a la M9-P. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalArts 99 Posted March 24, 2013 Share #18 Posted March 24, 2013 I wrote something similar elsewhere, except without live view (despite the one advantage I mentioned), resulting in a M-E(P), with an updated CCD sensor. This was more fantasy than reality (Leica would need a new CCD supplier, and sales of the M240 might be cannibalized), but I'd sure like one, in chrome a la M9-P. Jeff I agree about live view, I can live without it. I'd rarely use it myself but I do see it as a potentially valuable tool for checking lens/rangefinder focus issues. With high MP count sensors and a super flat sensor plane, the Leica rangefinder isn't nearly as forgiving as when we use film M bodies. Of course that would mean a CMOS sensor. (btw, another thing I'd like to see added would be a dead pixel remap program built in the software.) I'm pretty impressed with the Sony CMOS 24 MP sensors and I'd probably be happy with one in the M. I've used the D600 and even the jpegs alone are excellent. From what I understand the AA filter is relatively weak. It also seems to handle reds/pinks a lot better. Of course we'd have the advantage of Leica optics and the overall small ergonomic footprint of a high quality FF rangefinder. And for me, that's what it's all about anyway. And that's all that we had as our ace in the hand before digital. Anybody could buy the same film and pop it into any camera body and lens combo. But we had the better optics and a better overall package as a small, well built rangefinder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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