wlaidlaw Posted March 7, 2013 Share #41 Posted March 7, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi WilsonYou and me both. I've even tried to talk to Novioflex about this, and they've completely ignored me. I'm also interested in Contax lenses. I do have an adapter, but it brings up 35/135 Framelines. Still, from a practical viewpoint, manually coding for the longer focal length works okay (the M really doesn't need corrections for any SLR lenses) Maybe this is John Milich's big moment! I bought a minty Contax 28-85 yesterday for €349, and I'm teetering on a new in box 35-135 today. If you can get a decent adapter with the wrong Framelines then it'll work fine as long as you use manual selection. ....but only as long as you don't get the "Lens not mounted" message like I am getting with my Elephoto M42 to M adapter. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jonoslack Posted March 7, 2013 Share #42 Posted March 7, 2013 Alan, I totally agree that before we go rushing off and trying various remedies, we need to know what is actually happening here. Perhaps Jono or Chris could ask their contacts at Leica. We need to know the pre-conditions necessary for a "lens mounted" to be activated. Wilson Hi Wilson As far as I can see, you only need the 28-90 Framelines to code the adapter. BUT You can use any adapter (whatever the Framelines, but you will need to manually code the lens. I don't know, but I'd be gobsmacked if Leica were doing any lens corrections for R lenses, which are largely telecentric. For instance, I had a lot of fun shooting OM 200 f;4 coded as anything. So, it's you have an old M to Whatever adapter, it'll work, whatever the Framelines it brings up. It just won't behave as elegantly with the menus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted March 7, 2013 Share #43 Posted March 7, 2013 ....but only as long as you don't get the "Lens not mounted" message like I am getting with my Elephoto M42 to M adapter. Wilson Hi Wilson. You should only get that message with "cutaway" LTM adapters. this has been much discussed and is likely to be fixed later. Sean Reid has been very active about this ( I don't have any problem adapters). Indeed, my Contax adapter works perfectly with no lens attached! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted March 7, 2013 Share #44 Posted March 7, 2013 Hi Wilson. You should only get that message with "cutaway" LTM adapters. this has been much discussed and is likely to be fixed later. Sean Reid has been very active about this ( I don't have any problem adapters). Indeed, my Contax adapter works perfectly with no lens attached! Jono, The Elephoto adapter has a flat flange with no cut outs so it is not that. I have tried with lens detection off and lens detection at manual with various lenses and I always get the message when I press the LV button "No Lens Connected" See photo of Elephoto adapter. On the nearest lug, you can see where it has been milled away. Wilson Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/199842-non-leica-slr-lenses-on-the-new-m/?do=findComment&comment=2264221'>More sharing options...
jlm Posted March 7, 2013 Share #45 Posted March 7, 2013 jono: every now and then I do get a big moment... and sometimes can make a buck, but the real thrill is getting something out there quickly that fills a need the big boys don't have time for. like the WATE filter adapter. what usually happens is i engineer one of these doodads and sell a few, and then find it is now getting made in asia and sells on e-bay for about 20% of what it costs me to make it. in the context of the new M: what adapters are you looking for? i already have the engineering and cnc work done for the M side of the flange...in 5, 9, or 13.5 cm frameline options. cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted March 7, 2013 Share #46 Posted March 7, 2013 Welcome back to the forum John. I'm sure a number of us still use your WATE filter adapter on our M8s. I'm sure you know that when the 18mm Super-Wide Elmar came out, their filter solution exactly mirrored the one for the WATE. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted March 8, 2013 Share #47 Posted March 8, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Chris, Would you be able to post close up picture of the finished article? Woops - I thought I had. Herewith. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/199842-non-leica-slr-lenses-on-the-new-m/?do=findComment&comment=2264479'>More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted March 8, 2013 Share #48 Posted March 8, 2013 Jono, I wondered if the reason the Elephoto adapter will not register as a lens was because the flange is dead black and does not reflect any LED light. It would therefore register the same as a flange with cut away. I therefore got a scalpel out and gently scraped away the matte black paint to show the brass of the M bayonet around where my M-Coder showed the LED's would be looking. Bingo - Hello lens! You can see below with this retro focus lens, where the exit pupil is a fair bit forwards, I am getting neither red edges nor any significant vignetting. This is manually selected as a 21/2.8. Wilson Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/199842-non-leica-slr-lenses-on-the-new-m/?do=findComment&comment=2264486'>More sharing options...
01af Posted March 8, 2013 Share #49 Posted March 8, 2013 I wondered if the reason the Elefoto adapter will not register as a lens was because the flange is dead-black and does not reflect any LED light. [...] I therefore got a scalpel out and gently scraped away the matte black paint to show the brass of the M bayonet around where my M-Coder showed the LEDs would be looking. Bingo—hello lens! That's strange because the M has no problems using live-view with my three-year-old Novoflex LEM/MIN adapter even though it is all-black, too, including the bayonet flange area (and it brings up the 50/75 framelines). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted March 8, 2013 Share #50 Posted March 8, 2013 That's strange because the M has no problems using live-view with my three-year-old Novoflex LEM/MIN adapter even though it is all-black, too, including the bayonet flange area (and it brings up the 50/75 framelines). Olaf, I wonder if it depends on how matt the black paint is. The paint on the Elephoto adapter is very matt. All I know is that scraping the paint off did the trick (much to my surprise). Something as simple as this does not usually work. It now works on manual lens setting, automatic (no code detected) and lens detection switched off, whereas before it would show the message "No Lens Connected" on all of them. I did not change any other settings. It might also be because your LEI/MIN adapter brings up frame-lines. The framelines tab has been ground back on the Elephoto adapter so that it does not move the framelines cam at all and may not activate a microswitch in this area. In other words, you get the "No Lens Connected" message if neither the framelines microswitch signal nor a reflection from the LED's are present. If either of these conditions are met, LV will work. I posted on another thread: The M is very fussy on picking up hand coding. It is back to the days of the M8, which is also very fussy compared to the M9. I have a 25 ZM Biogon, hand coded as a 24/2.8 and brings up the correct 35/135 frame-lines. It picks up on the M9 LED's as a 24/2.8 but nothing on the M. I have checked the positioning of the marks with my M-Coder and re-marked with a Sharpie but no joy. My hand coded ZM 50 Planar on the other hand, picks up just fine - go figure. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
01af Posted March 8, 2013 Share #51 Posted March 8, 2013 I wonder if it depends on how matt the black paint is. The paint on the Elefoto adapter is very matt. Maybe this is what makes the difference indeed. My Novoflex LEM/MIN adapter is matte black on the inside but shiny black on the outside, including the bayonet flange surface. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted March 8, 2013 Share #52 Posted March 8, 2013 Wilson, I'm confused too. Can you show us a picture of wha you have done to your adapter to make it work? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlm Posted March 8, 2013 Share #53 Posted March 8, 2013 thanks Mark; i've not been doing much Leica shooting, did transition to an M7 though and as i recall, you were the seminal influence for the WATE adapter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted March 8, 2013 Share #54 Posted March 8, 2013 Wilson, I'm confused too. Can you show us a picture of wha you have done to your adapter to make it work? Mark, Picture below. You will have to appreciate this was a fully planned and sophisticated modification, requiring high precision tools and a large degree of knowledge. I am about to take the back flange off and attack it with some wet and dry now, so that I can paint on a 21/2.8 code on it. Wilson Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/199842-non-leica-slr-lenses-on-the-new-m/?do=findComment&comment=2264760'>More sharing options...
marknorton Posted March 8, 2013 Share #55 Posted March 8, 2013 So what you are saying is that the lens sensor has to see something - and not just ambient light - but something reflected back of the strobed IR from the sensor. That does tie in with my observation that the shutter closes as you move the lens forward, presumably out of range. Doesn't answer the question what the other lever is for by the frame line selector. My Novoflex adapter is all black but that somehow works. I assume a single white patch is all that it would take. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted March 8, 2013 Share #56 Posted March 8, 2013 So what you are saying is that the lens sensor has to see something - and not just ambient light - but something reflected back of the strobed IR from the sensor. That does tie in with my observation that the shutter closes as you move the lens forward, presumably out of range. Doesn't answer the question what the other lever is for by the frame line selector. My Novoflex adapter is all black but that somehow works. I assume a single white patch is all that it would take. Mark, I suspect it is an either/or situation. Either the LED's receiving a reflection or the frame-lines microswitch being activated, will satisfy the camera's criteria for enabling LV. This is logical if you think about it, as either situation would in all probability indicate a lens mounted to protect an open sensor. I doubt if Leica allowed for an adapter being mounted without a lens. I guess your Novoflex adapter brings up the 50/75 frame-lines, so that condition is satisfied even if the black flange does not reflect any LED. My Elephoto adapter does not activate the frame-lines, as the whole of the lug extension has been ground off - see the original unmodified photo of the adapter further up on the thread. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeTexas Posted March 8, 2013 Share #57 Posted March 8, 2013 I found a Canon FD to Leica M adapter no problem as I plan to use a Canon 200m f4 and a Canon 500mm f8 on the M. However, for the Sony NEX-6, I found macro tubes like this: Macro Extension Tube for Sony NEX E Mount NEX 3 NEX 5 | eBay I've just been using a Sony to M adapter on the end of the tubes to do macro with my Summilux. However, I can't seem to find similar tubes in an M mount. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
01af Posted March 8, 2013 Share #58 Posted March 8, 2013 Don't waste your time finding (and eventually using) extension tubes for your M lenses. If you want to do close-ups with M lenses, better use close-up diopter lenses—preferably achromatic ones, such as Leitz Elpro or Canon 500D and 250D—on filter step-up rings. Or use Canon FD macro gear with your FD-to-M adapter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeTexas Posted March 8, 2013 Share #59 Posted March 8, 2013 I don't know. I've had quite good results shooting with the 50mm Summilux with a short macro tube on the NEX-6 at f5.6. Fat free [Explored 2-26-2013] | Flickr - Photo Sharing! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
01af Posted March 8, 2013 Share #60 Posted March 8, 2013 I don't know. I've had quite good results shooting with the 50 mm Summilux with a short macro tube ... Fine. If you're happy with 'quite good' then go ahead ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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