Numbers Posted February 22, 2013 Share #61 Posted February 22, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Great report, Jono. Im impressed that Leica have the confidence to let its followers get such an insight to the development. Its very interesting to read about. Thank you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted February 22, 2013 Posted February 22, 2013 Hi Numbers, Take a look here Testing the M(240). I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Rick Posted February 22, 2013 Share #62 Posted February 22, 2013 tashley - Having discovered your blog/site recently Tim Ashley Photography, I just wanted to let you know how much I have enjoyed it. Like Mark, I am looking forward to your thoughts on the M. Rick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rscheffler Posted February 22, 2013 Share #63 Posted February 22, 2013 The other thing which too many people are giving Leica the pass on is dropping the USB port. I almost always use the built-in port with my cameras, and I don't see an advantage to removing the port. Granted, they do include one with the higher-end grip, but that's a $900 part. You'd expect that they would build a pass-thru into the basic grip, considering how cheap it is to actually do that. Frankly, for a $7000 body, they could have built 802.11 into it. I recall in one of the Photokina interviews with Leica, that the very reason they added a small plastic-covered cutout in the M's baseplate was to improve functionality of the Eyefi cards. So while Leica hasn't made it built-in, they did take user complaints about Eyefi card issues with the M9 into consideration. But, it looks like this solution is best only in the stock configuration. The problem is if you want to use GPS tagging or simply one of the grips, then the Eyefi card once again will be fully encased in metal and might not transmit very far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rscheffler Posted February 22, 2013 Share #64 Posted February 22, 2013 Yes indeed. However, the lens corrections were not implemented properly in any of the firmware versions I've used . . . . Having said that, I've tried some interesting experiments, like setting the manual coding to 135mm and then shooting all day with a 24 'lux. This would have caused catastrophe with the M9 - but I didn't even notice until I saw 135 in the exif information! My current conclusion is that this is really not going to be an issue with anything but very extreme wide angles - and that even then there shouldn't be any colour shift. . . . . . to sum up: It's not finished yet but it's already really good! Hope this helps. all the best Been there by setting the M9 manually for 21 Elmarit non-ASPH then shooting with the 90 Summarit... Jono, I'm curious about your WATE and 28 Cron sample images. First of all they look great and no evidence of edge colour shifts. You mentioned the lens corrections were not implemented properly. Does this mean the prototype cameras made no corrections at all, or only partial corrections? I'm also curious about the 28 Cron images, particularly the Boats at Pemberth shot wide open. Had that been on the M9, there would have been a fair amount of vignetting. But your image looks really clean (and corrected for vignetting). Did you do anything extra to it in post? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted February 22, 2013 Author Share #65 Posted February 22, 2013 Hi there Ron Really interesting questions Been there by setting the M9 manually for 21 Elmarit non-ASPH then shooting with the 90 Summarit... Jono, I'm curious about your WATE and 28 Cron sample images. First of all they look great and no evidence of edge colour shifts. You mentioned the lens corrections were not implemented properly. Does this mean the prototype cameras made no corrections at all, or only partial corrections? I'm not certain. I think I understood that for the early firmware at least there were no corrections. Which is why I'm so sure it's no problem. Great if they improve it,but fine if they don't. I'm also curious about the 28 Cron images, particularly the Boats at Pemberth shot wide open. Had that been on the M9, there would have been a fair amount of vignetting. But your image looks really clean (and corrected for vignetting). Did you do anything extra to it in post? No I didn't do any relevant pp. I think it was stopped down a bit though, which would have dealt with vignetting. Interesting you should mention that shot. I really like the subtle colour. Expensive as well. I dropped the 28 on the road and bashed the front a few minutes before. The crunching noise when it hit the ground is etched upon my soul! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesphoto99 Posted February 23, 2013 Share #66 Posted February 23, 2013 Oooh, I dropped my 28 cron once. Also won't ever forget that sound. New helicoid and front and I was $600 down (this was 7 years ago). Fortunately I bought the lens for about $1400 so evened out. Anyway, I find more and more I'm ADDING vignetting to many of my M9 shots. Sometimes I think they go to far to make a "clean" image. But of course probably best to start clean so one can dirty it up... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted February 23, 2013 Share #67 Posted February 23, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) I love my 28 Summicron (my first Leica lens) so much that I would never treat it so carelessly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted February 23, 2013 Share #68 Posted February 23, 2013 I entirely understand the 'blocking three slots' issue ... but why on Earth must they use the 28/90 pair, why To get you to buy either the old R 28-90 or new M 28-90. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted February 23, 2013 Share #69 Posted February 23, 2013 To get you to buy either the old R 28-90 or new M 28-90. You must have seen the same review I did on the new M 28-90/f2.8 APO. Swell lens didn't you think? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John McMaster Posted February 23, 2013 Share #70 Posted February 23, 2013 Actually Penberth (rather than Pemberth) john - ex-Sennen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted February 23, 2013 Share #71 Posted February 23, 2013 Leica must be pleased they've always included the frameline setting along with the six bit code giving 192 codes less 3 for "uncoded". But for that, they would fast be running out of codes. The old MATE takes up 3 of those codes so as to be able to determine the selected focal length but I am not aware of any other duplication of 6 bit code across different lenses. At some point, we will presumably see new lenses with codes already used elsewhere, differentiated only by frameline selection. I would have thought Leica would want to retain groups of three for possible similar use to the MATE. That hypothetical APO 28-90 Elmarit-M (let's not be greedy) ASPH could then at least report some information on selected focal length - 28 or 90, 35, 50 or 75 - though that wouldn't be especially helpful in applying in-camera corrections. It does make me wonder whether the slightly fragile looking (only from memory 5 months ago) connector in the base of the camera has other so far unused interfaces for talking to the outside world. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rscheffler Posted February 23, 2013 Share #72 Posted February 23, 2013 No I didn't do any relevant pp. I think it was stopped down a bit though, which would have dealt with vignetting. Interesting you should mention that shot. I really like the subtle colour. Expensive as well. I dropped the 28 on the road and bashed the front a few minutes before. The crunching noise when it hit the ground is etched upon my soul! Ohhh, sorry to hear about the Cron! It's one of the lenses I always keep the hood on - keeps my fingers off the front element. Hmmm, that's interesting if it was stopped down. On the M9 I find it's kind of a unique lens because the vignetting never seems to fully go away. It would seem the M240 handles it a bit differently. I agree that image has a really great colour quality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMB Posted February 23, 2013 Share #73 Posted February 23, 2013 Jono, first of all, even I'm not a prestigious photographer nor profesional one, I want to grateful your patience and dedication to answer our questions. I'm positive many like me think the same and may be don't dare to appear in this thread. I would like to know, if you has tried some time, which effect could cause the use of the Apo Extender 2X with a lens included in the list of 20, if some is caused, apart of the lost of luminosity. Francisco Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanJW Posted February 23, 2013 Share #74 Posted February 23, 2013 You must have seen the same review I did on the new M 28-90/f2.8 APO. Swell lens didn't you think? Release date is April 1. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
krooj Posted February 23, 2013 Share #75 Posted February 23, 2013 I recall in one of the Photokina interviews with Leica, that the very reason they added a small plastic-covered cutout in the M's baseplate was to improve functionality of the Eyefi cards. So while Leica hasn't made it built-in, they did take user complaints about Eyefi card issues with the M9 into consideration. But, it looks like this solution is best only in the stock configuration. The problem is if you want to use GPS tagging or simply one of the grips, then the Eyefi card once again will be fully encased in metal and might not transmit very far. And even the Eyefi cards have their drawbacks: lower capacity, higher power draw, limited range... Yeah, there ought to have been a USB 3.0 port and host controller built right into the standard body, just like the D800/e. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted February 23, 2013 Author Share #76 Posted February 23, 2013 I would like to know, if you has tried some time, which effect could cause the use of the Apo Extender 2X with a lens included in the list of 20, if some is caused, apart of the lost of luminosity. Francisco Hi Francisco. Thanks for the kind words. I didn't try it, as I don't have one, but I'm quite sure there will be no other effect than the luminosity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bybrett Posted February 23, 2013 Share #77 Posted February 23, 2013 Jono, first of all, even I'm not a prestigious photographer nor profesional one, I want to grateful your patience and dedication to answer our questions. I'm positive many like me think the same and may be don't dare to appear in this thread.Francisco And a true gentleman of the Forum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AB007 Posted February 23, 2013 Share #78 Posted February 23, 2013 Hi Jono, Beautiful pictures. Great report.Thank you. I trust Leica so I pre-ordered the M240. Your pictures/report reassured me that I made the right decision. I was only concern about the EVF and how I could use my R lens. I see you used the 180/2.8 APO. How did it feel? I wonder how it would be with the 280/4 APO. Thanks again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted February 23, 2013 Share #79 Posted February 23, 2013 I guess that there are several answers - the first one is that there will shortly be a flush of new 3rd party adapters with the correct 28/90 framelines. I think that Malcolm Taylor in the UK can change them (I've seen it done) but whether it'll be cheap or quick I don't know. all the best Malcolm did the flange adjustment for me on a Canon FD and a Nikon adapter. They work perfectly and bring up the R menu. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted February 23, 2013 Share #80 Posted February 23, 2013 Hi Jono - Finally had time last night to sit down and go through your web site M240 photo section. Wow, wow, wow. The first two photos are so rich and good. In no order: The Hug is great. Streed with Reflections Burano amazing signature Jono style. The Girl and the Puddle fantastic sig Jono again. Fen Street is nice B&W and of course I love the WATE. Pednvounder (Cornwall UK) is another splendid B&W that I don't think would be as dramatic without color saturation control. They're all plebs is unbelievable, you had to set this up like Steve McCurry does? Barbed Wire Sunset is nice. Skipping Along is very good and especially good for the photographer because, I assume it is your dog and wife (or daughter). 24 Summalux - wow. The Hut wow again in B&W Keeping an eye on the photographer Splendid Potting the black, very nice feel to this one and that is one intense young man. Leaving with your hat on. number 54/54. I sat late last night and was mesmerized by this one. And, it was so interesting to see this was the R 180/2.8. My guess is hand held. Speaks a lot about what type of photos are going to start showing up now, taken by the M. Jono, I don't know if you feel this way or not but, these photographs seem to be on another level. There were so many more that I didn't even mention. Two questions if, you don't mind: Do you believe that the M is making you a better photographer? Maybe it is the live view is helping you see the photo better. Please don't take this as, "Hey, nice photo. You must use a good camera." Secondly, I noted that a lot of your shots were with the 50 APO. What do you think of this lens and is it a must have for you? Thanks for everything, Rick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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