algrove Posted February 15, 2013 Share #21 Posted February 15, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) What is the best Canon camera to use as a backup of the 5D3 other than a 5D2 or 5D3? Say something smaller with IQ quite good for EF "L" lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Angora Posted February 19, 2013 Author Share #22 Posted February 19, 2013 Another hint that the firmware upgrade won't be of much help: EOS M Autofocus Performance Won’t Improve via Firmware [CR2] Can't help you much regarding your question, Algrove. The new 6D is said to have good IQ but I don't think it's much smaller than the 5D. And it doesn't even have a 100% VF. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted February 19, 2013 Share #23 Posted February 19, 2013 Another hint that the firmware upgrade won't be of much help: EOS M Autofocus Performance Won’t Improve via Firmware [CR2] Yes it seems to me that at minimum they need phase detect AF on the image sensor as some other cameras have. (Including their own DSLR with Hybrid AF.) Whether existing EOS lenses can work well with such a system is something we'll have to see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angora Posted February 20, 2013 Author Share #24 Posted February 20, 2013 Yes it seems to me that at minimum they need phase detect AF on the image sensor as some other cameras have. (Including their own DSLR with Hybrid AF.) Whether existing EOS lenses can work well with such a system is something we'll have to see. Let's bumpt this thread around July then Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Martin Posted February 24, 2013 Share #25 Posted February 24, 2013 There's a link from The.me today,re Steve Huff's view of the Eos M, which is about as supportive as my thoughts on it. He too thinks Canon have let themselves down with it and are far more capable than this offering. They should cut and run now and not try and upgrade it. Full re-think to save a reputation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angora Posted February 24, 2013 Author Share #26 Posted February 24, 2013 There's a link from The.me today,re Steve Huff's view of the Eos M, which is about as supportive as my thoughts on it. He too thinks Canon have let themselves down with it and are far more capable than this offering. They should cut and run now and not try and upgrade it. Full re-think to save a reputation. Are you referring to the following: Weekend Tidbits. Canon EOS-M, RX1 lens rated and new Leather straps… | STEVE HUFF PHOTOS ? If so, I don't find his opinion worthy at all. He's camping on a power user stance, which obviously doesn't fit the EOS-M (at least the current iteration). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Martin Posted February 24, 2013 Share #27 Posted February 24, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Yes that was the one. I think he realises its really a back up or second camera for some, but the shortfalls are too numerous for it to be successful really. The competition will leave it behind quickly and I think full frame actually become more widely available without the high price tag. I think I read somewhere this week that Sony have applied for a patent for full frame lenses on its E mount range suggesting things are going to change for them. I think this line will be dropped before Christmas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angora Posted February 25, 2013 Author Share #28 Posted February 25, 2013 Yes that was the one. I think he realises its really a back up or second camera for some, but the shortfalls are too numerous for it to be successful really. The competition will leave it behind quickly and I think full frame actually become more widely available without the high price tag. I think I read somewhere this week that Sony have applied for a patent for full frame lenses on its E mount range suggesting things are going to change for them. I think this line will be dropped before Christmas I indeed recall reading Ming Thein's review of the NEX-based Hasselblad, where he also stated that the E-mount should have enough room for a full frame sensor. Interesting development... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted February 25, 2013 Share #29 Posted February 25, 2013 I indeed recall reading Ming Thein's review of the NEX-based Hasselblad, where he also stated that the E-mount should have enough room for a full frame sensor. Interesting development... No problem. They already have a full frame video camera that uses the E-mount. (Sony Alpha lenses are used via an adapter.) It can also shoot stills. When used with E mount lenses, the image is cropped and not shot at full frame. So current E mount lenses won't cover full frame. Sony Full Frame Interchangeable Lens Camcorder | NEX-VG900 | Sony USA So far they have shown no indication to make full frame lenses in the E-mount and I'm not sure why they would want two lines of full frame lenses. Perhaps they'll make a few compact ones for E mount only should they make a range of FF E mount cameras. The EOS-M struck me as a half hearted attempt by Canon. They obviously see that they came up very short and seem to have plans to address this. How well it works out remains to be seen. Sony is showing a lot of commitment to the Nex system and has great products right now. If Canon really wants to kick butt they'd make their own version of a full frame Nex 6 that can use EOS lenses via an adapter (assuming they somehow can get the AF fast enough) along with smaller full frame or APS cropping lenses for it as well as a similar APS version of the camera. So there are are a lot of "ifs" with a Canon solution. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angora Posted February 28, 2013 Author Share #30 Posted February 28, 2013 Thank you for the information regarding their camcorder, Alan. Here are supposed specs of the next version, to make up for their early missed attempt: 24mp APS-C sensor New generation AF DIGIC V Removable EVF Introduced with 3 more lenses $999 USD If these predictions aren't totally off the chart, then Canon is stepping up its game and the next iteration should correspond to your expectations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Martin Posted February 28, 2013 Share #31 Posted February 28, 2013 It's still not enough to make it worth having ! Total rethink required . Bin the EOS M and start again to save embarrassment . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Martin Posted February 28, 2013 Share #32 Posted February 28, 2013 Also it's supposed to be a smaller alternative camera to give a good quality picture, so what's the benefit of an "add on " viewfinder ? Other manufactures have proven its possible to build one in,that's works in more than one mode. Come on Canon, the R and D dept must have been asleep, and somebody has signed this off !!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPJMP Posted March 1, 2013 Share #33 Posted March 1, 2013 I spent some time with an EOS M at a local camera shop. I found it to be very slow in operation. The photos looked good, but the sluggish response was a deal breaker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Reading Posted March 17, 2013 Share #34 Posted March 17, 2013 Hello, I’m on the market for a P&S toy camera, for non-serious shots. Up to now I’ve been using Canon Ixus cameras, they have a nice finish and form factor but sometimes I got quite frustrated by the total lack of control. After considering the S110, I’ve decided I wanted to try the new small mirrorless cameras – maybe they can also be a good intermediate solution, after all. I’ve got my R lenses lying around, and also a Canon 100mm macro. Initially, I thought about getting an Olympus Pen Mini, since it would take my R lenses and I also envisionned getting the 4/3 Panaleica 25mm that has an aperture ring, which I would then fit on a 4/3-to-µ4/3 adapter. But it seems the ring would only work on a specific, older Panasonic camera. I see there are µ4/3 Cosina lenses with a ring, but I’m neither willing to invest 1000€+ in such lens nor willing to use manual focus on that kind of system (aside from my Leica lenses, that is). I’m now strongly leaning towards a Canon EOS M, which would smoothly take my macro from the same brand with an EF-to-EFM adapter, and also my R lenses (through an R-to-EF-to-EFM combination). That camera’s finish looks good and as a bonus features an APS-C sensor. There are only two lenses in the EOS M line up, and they’re said to be slow, but I’m okay with that. It’s not as if I were coming from an « ultrafast over 9000 AF points » camera anyways. What do you think? Any opinion about this EOS M? I don't understand the question you say you want a cheap point and shot then you want something to accommodate your old lenses, which is it? If you want a point and shoot why not get a V-Lux 40? Slip it into your pocket, good zoom and reasonable video? Use your old R-lenses on something better where they won't feel unbalanced. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Martin Posted April 11, 2013 Share #35 Posted April 11, 2013 For persons living in America, I see from the the.me website, that B and H photo are now discounting the Canon Eos M with the 22mm pancake lens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angora Posted April 13, 2013 Author Share #36 Posted April 13, 2013 I don't understand the question you say you want a cheap point and shot then you want something to accommodate your old lenses, which is it? If you want a point and shoot why not get a V-Lux 40? Slip it into your pocket, good zoom and reasonable video? Use your old R-lenses on something better where they won't feel unbalanced. My bad Paul, I didn't express myself clearly enough: I meant at first I was looking for a P&S, but then I oriented my mind towards and EVIL on which I could put my R lenses Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickgrafixstop Posted April 18, 2013 Share #37 Posted April 18, 2013 Think bigger - the Canon Rebel series isn't much bigger than the M and is much more capable. The new T5i has high quality video, can mount Leica lenses with an adapter that is not the permanent change that Leitax requires for Nikon, and gives a good image at 18mp. If you want a "pocketable" camera for point and shoot consider the D-lux 6, the Panasonic LX at half the price or, if you have big pockets, the new Fuji x20, all of which are 1/3 to 1/2 the price of an X2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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