mjh Posted December 21, 2012 Share #81 Posted December 21, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) I think Photokina happened 6 - 9 months too early. If the new M had been ready by photokina 2012, it would have been available in shops the day after the announcement. Since it wasn’t, the release date was announced to be in early 2013 (March, early spring, whatever you prefer). Thankfully, development of the M had already matured to a state where prototype units could be demo’ed at photokina so customers could get a glimpse of things to come. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted December 21, 2012 Posted December 21, 2012 Hi mjh, Take a look here M-240 "Seeking Light". I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
honcho Posted December 21, 2012 Share #82 Posted December 21, 2012 ".....Dr. Rohde is very excited about the M240. He tells me that the color rendering, sharpness and clarity of the new Leica surpass those of the M8 and M9......" I hope that opinion is not based on this stuff. These images are abysmal by any measure. At this level, they would appear to illustrate the ability of the camera user rather more than the camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith (M) Posted December 21, 2012 Share #83 Posted December 21, 2012 From what I have read, M9 and M9P production has stopped and stock at dealers is running down, yet deliveries of the M still seem to be some months away. Such a hiatus seems hardly good news from a cash-flow point of view. As the M is still at the beta-test stage, can the production people previously working on the M9 etc realistically be employed on building the M for stock prior to release to the distributors or are they diverted to other tasks? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
01af Posted December 21, 2012 Share #84 Posted December 21, 2012 Such a hiatus seems hardly good news from a cash-flow point of view. Hiatus? Ever heard about the Leica M-E yet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith (M) Posted December 21, 2012 Share #85 Posted December 21, 2012 Hiatus? Ever heard about the Leica M-E yet? Yes, obviously. But given the pent-up demand for the M, are the production runs/sales of the M-E (and MM) really sufficient to avoid a considerable dip in cash-flow? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fnuernberger Posted December 21, 2012 Share #86 Posted December 21, 2012 We should not discuss the quality of the images presented. As snaps they are perfectly fine. Subjects on the images will be happy. But, considering that the camera isn't out yet, why in god's name, has Leica given a laymen the camera and allowed him to publish images? Whoever is responsible for this marketing-failure should be looking for a less responsible job. I mean, you can't stop all the surgeons, lawyers and hedge-fond managers to post their luvley images, once the cameras have arrived at the "boutiques". But before that, you need to make clear that the camera can do what it is advertised to do. Which means: fly in real professionals, let them take images under unrealistically great conditions. Select the 12 very best out of 1200 excellent professional images and pretent these 12 to be typical for what the average doctor/lawyer/manager can do within a couple of days - if only they part with 15.000 € for now.... It's not rocket science, really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted December 21, 2012 Share #87 Posted December 21, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) Normally testing software has to be more methodical that just handing a camera to a guy and saying go out and shoot and tell me what doesn't work. If I have the right person, then the man has a PhD in electrical engineering and also owned a software company and has a high position in standards testing. He just might know how to test the level of functions assigned to him. These shots in what appears to be either Biscayne Bay in Miami or parts of Miami Beach on the inter-coastal waterway really don't test very much of the camera's ability. Marco Island? FirstLight: Give this guy an M9 and the pictures will also be dusty, dirty and not saying anything at all...maybe he should keep up taking images with his mobile I can imagine a testing protocol which prohibits sensor cleaning in order to reduce just one variable - damage due to cleaning, for example. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted December 21, 2012 Share #88 Posted December 21, 2012 The man is a legend in the area of electronic design as well and has designed amazing rf-electronics. I've known of him since I was young in the area of radio design. Ham radio operators like myself know of him. I would think he is a perfect choice for testing the technical aspects of the camera. Bashing his snap shots because you expect to see masterpieces of art is seriously funny. If, you were given the camera you would be expected to use it as much as you could, not just for a few gallery shots. Also, it is always odd to me when certain members express envy of doctors and other professionals like Dr. Rohde that buy Leica gear. Then, they bash the snap shots they take and question why they don't just use a P&S camera. Pathetic. Lastly, I'd like to think that we here are above the sort of bashing that Jono took over on the despicable RF Forum when he posted his excellent MM shots... right out of a new camera with no RAW processor and RF Forum members (who did not know anything about this fine man and photographer) bashed him instead of talking about the pictures. These pictures may not be much but, let's discuss the pictures not the man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
-ph- Posted December 21, 2012 Share #89 Posted December 21, 2012 I managed to glance at shots of the M today, at 100% and shot at 6400 ISO and am stunned... they are very nice Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted December 21, 2012 Share #90 Posted December 21, 2012 Rick Well put! We must all remember though that many who visit this forum and some of whom are members do not own Leica gear. Some bash Leica and its users due to envy or whatever and do not advance knowledge, only evil comment. I remember one such person who bashed a photo of mine that I posted when a newish member then asked about the 1.4/21 lens. I have to say his vicious comment really got my attention and only after someone mentioned he did not own an M9 nor the lens in question did I realize what kind of vicious people visit this site from time to time. Let's pity them since they are the elementary school shooters of this forum- full of evil and sick comment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
01af Posted December 21, 2012 Share #91 Posted December 21, 2012 Bashing his snap shots because you expect to see masterpieces of art is seriously funny. Even funnier is your belief anyone would expect "masterpieces of art." From someone who (1) is a renowned engineer, and (2) was selected as one of the very first Leica M beta testers, and (3) is using the camera for approx. three months now, I'd expect that for the first pictures to show to a waiting world, he'd select some meaningful sample shots that actually tell us something about the new camera. I don't expect pieces of art ... no-one does. But I do expect something more than just rubbish. These pictures may not be much but, let's discuss the pictures not the man. That's the problem—there hardly is anything worth discussing. If you think otherwise then please elaborate! I'm all ears ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted December 21, 2012 Share #92 Posted December 21, 2012 @01af - Cool, bash me now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
01af Posted December 21, 2012 Share #93 Posted December 21, 2012 I managed to glance at shots of the M today, at 100 % and shot at ISO 6400 and am stunned ... they are very nice Six weeks ago I saw two comparison shots—same subject, same lighting, one taken with the new M, the other with the Canon EOS 1DX, both set to ISO 6400/39°. The M shot was better. By a small margin only—serious pixel-peeping required to notice—but better nonetheless. However I don't know whether those shots were originally taken in raw or in JPEG format. And oh, by the way—those test shots showed just the slick façade of a modern building ... so no masterpieces of art. But an insightful comparison of meaningful sample shots. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Ulrich Rohde Posted December 21, 2012 Share #94 Posted December 21, 2012 As the official tester now will get their M 240 Leica I will wait until Leica has finalized it to production specifications with further communications. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 21, 2012 Share #95 Posted December 21, 2012 Welcome Thanks for joining - and disregard the nastiness please. It is nice enough that you communicated your preliminary findings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted December 21, 2012 Share #96 Posted December 21, 2012 Well Said Jaap and welcome from me as well - It's good that you've turned up here, and I do hope you will come back to the forum in the future. I know only too well how it feels to have posted early images from a camera! all the very best wishes. Jonathan Slack Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticman Posted December 21, 2012 Share #97 Posted December 21, 2012 ...did I realize what kind of vicious people visit this site from time to time.Let's pity them since they are the elementary school shooters of this forum- full of evil and sick comment. Is this sort of thing really necessary when a few people question the sensor output of a new camera? Good grief. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanJW Posted December 21, 2012 Share #98 Posted December 21, 2012 @01af - Cool, bash me now. Consider youself in good company. May I suggest the ignore list? It does work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted December 21, 2012 Share #99 Posted December 21, 2012 Is this sort of thing really necessary when a few people question the sensor output of a new camera? Good grief. I thought it was necessary when you and the rest of the usual Leica trolls show up to bash the camera and people before you even know what you are talking about or who the Dr is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomasis7 Posted December 21, 2012 Share #100 Posted December 21, 2012 Wow its pathetic with some comments here. Don't people have other things to do except spitting out nonsense? His photos look nice enough. Typical cmos images IMHO. Clean high iso shots at bw is what it excite me. No need for MM :-) m240 will manage that. It is usually jpeg output that is worse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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