Eikonphoto Posted March 21, 2007 Share #1 Posted March 21, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) I was under the impression the upgrade cost from C1 LE to the pro version was discounted? Was I just dreaming this? I'm trying to decide between different raw conversion programs and wanted to see how much the LE version is improved upon at the pro level. Phase One website is listing the upgrade at about 429.00 which is more expensive than I thought this upgrade was supposed to be. Of course, I may have just been mistaken Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest sirvine Posted March 21, 2007 Share #2 Posted March 21, 2007 I received an email from PhaseOne yesterday, and I recall seeing the same price as you quote for the upgrade. The info on the preview of version 4 was pretty weak, too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LichMD Posted March 21, 2007 Share #3 Posted March 21, 2007 Kate, you're correct, the price you quoted is the one that C1 tech support gave me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertwright Posted March 21, 2007 Share #4 Posted March 21, 2007 429 as an upgrade price is ridiculous for what C1 pro does when you compare it to all the other offerings out there-C1 was "the first" so to speak, and they have held on to this elite idea of their software for a long time, but I think it has run it's course. There is no reason to pay this kind of price for raw conversion any more imo. Phase, are you listening? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eikonphoto Posted March 21, 2007 Author Share #5 Posted March 21, 2007 429 as an upgrade price is ridiculous for what C1 pro does when you compare it to all the other offerings out there-C1 was "the first" so to speak, and they have held on to this elite idea of their software for a long time, but I think it has run it's course. There is no reason to pay this kind of price for raw conversion any more imo. Phase, are you listening? Robert I have only used the LE version. At that upgrade price I would expect some pretty extraordinary differences compared to LE or Raw Developer (a nifty and inexpensive converterr) Is the pro version 429.00 better? As I said I have not tried the Pro, so I am not knocking it, just a bit sceptical. Karen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sirvine Posted March 21, 2007 Share #6 Posted March 21, 2007 I thought the same thing, Robert. But I've never used C1 Pro (and def. not the upcoming version), so maybe they have some amazing tricks up their sleeves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted March 21, 2007 Share #7 Posted March 21, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) We may see some new pricing when version 4 comes out. LE is coming pretty soon here Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertwright Posted March 21, 2007 Share #8 Posted March 21, 2007 I thought the same thing, Robert. But I've never used C1 Pro (and def. not the upcoming version), so maybe they have some amazing tricks up their sleeves. Well they don't really. The emperor has no clothes so to speak. you can download a full C1 pro demo to see for yourself, but the main difference is that C1pro makes the application of profiles "easier", in other words it is a menu choice not a preference choice. There are other differences obviously, but compared to LR, Aperture and the ridiculously good Raw Developer, WHY PAY MORE as the ads always say... Anyway, you can get me to go off on C1 ad nauseum, I have to use it at work, and there is absolutely nothing about it that I like. The capture/process metaphor it was built on is really only appropriate for tethered shooting, so as a workspace for the M8 and DSLR's which bring images into a library so to speak, it is at odds. There is no DAM, no output to web galleries, books or print. It's metadata support is pretty thin. The focus utility is a joke, sure you can scale the whole image as large as you like, but can you tell me where exactly on the slider 100% is, because I sure would like to know. So you never really can tell what you are looking at. I also "like" how it litters my HD with session folders... .02 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted March 21, 2007 Share #9 Posted March 21, 2007 Anyway, you can get me to go off on C1 ad nauseum, I have to use it at work, and there is absolutely nothing about it that I like. The capture/process metaphor it was built on is really only appropriate for tethered shooting, so as a workspace for the M8 and DSLR's which bring images into a library so to speak, it is at odds. There is no DAM, no output to web galleries, books or print. It's metadata support is pretty thin. The focus utility is a joke, sure you can scale the whole image as large as you like, but can you tell me where exactly on the slider 100% is, because I sure would like to know. So you never really can tell what you are looking at. I also "like" how it litters my HD with session folders... .02 And there I was, thinking it was just me! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertwright Posted March 22, 2007 Share #10 Posted March 22, 2007 You'd think after dropping 5K on an M8 there could be some deal to get C1Pro. Heck, you buy a sandisk cardreader (or was it Lexar) and they throw C1 LE in FREE afaik. I also like how I get a weekly email from Phase...thank goodness for junk filters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
guywalder Posted March 22, 2007 Share #11 Posted March 22, 2007 when I had a look at the features comparison, C1-LE to C1, on Phase's website I couldnt see much compelling evidence to make upgrading worthwhile, and that was before thinking about the price.... As a victim of Bill Gates I would also not get the anti-moire feature. Nikon customers moan about having to buy Capture, but in comparison I find the price of Capture is not unreasonable, and I find it nicer to use. So when do we get a truly open source RAW solution?? Guy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tashley Posted March 22, 2007 Share #12 Posted March 22, 2007 RobertI have only used the LE version. At that upgrade price I would expect some pretty extraordinary differences compared to LE or Raw Developer (a nifty and inexpensive converterr) Is the pro version 429.00 better? As I said I have not tried the Pro, so I am not knocking it, just a bit sceptical. Karen The useful differences I noted were that you can straighten horizons and choose a different profile for each shot rather than specify one for all in preferences. Not worth it. Tim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilles L. Posted March 22, 2007 Share #13 Posted March 22, 2007 The only things I noted worthwhile is the rotate feature like Tim, but also being able to shoot tethered. But to shoot tethered you can actually just use the Leica Digital Capture software and keep C1 open with the folder you are remotely shooting in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted March 22, 2007 Share #14 Posted March 22, 2007 Here is a feature comparision between Pro and LE http://www.phaseone.com/Content/Software/ProSoftware/ProductOverview/WhyGoPRO.aspx# Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuchs Posted March 22, 2007 Share #15 Posted March 22, 2007 Anyway, you can get me to go off on C1 ad nauseum, I have to use it at work, and there is absolutely nothing about it that I like. The capture/process metaphor it was built on is really only appropriate for tethered shooting, so as a workspace for the M8 and DSLR's which bring images into a library so to speak, it is at odds. There is no DAM, no output to web galleries, books or print. It's metadata support is pretty thin. The focus utility is a joke, sure you can scale the whole image as large as you like, but can you tell me where exactly on the slider 100% is, because I sure would like to know. So you never really can tell what you are looking at. I also "like" how it litters my HD with session folders... .02 Same here. I got sick at seeing how it suck HD space, and have since switched to LR. Now I reserve my drive space for more RAW files, not their edited versions. .04 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted March 22, 2007 Share #16 Posted March 22, 2007 You can set C1 previews off to a external drive also which is what i did when I had a Windoz box Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertwright Posted March 22, 2007 Share #17 Posted March 22, 2007 It is not just the previews, it is the processed files and the trash folders. We have all this in studio and there are good reasons to keep a shoot and all the trash in a discreet location, and even to archive it until the client is billed and the job published. But now that Aperture can render phase and leaf files, I wonder how long it will be before more studio shooters are using Aperture instead of C1 or Leaf Capture? Where I work we shoot a lot of still life and ultimately some of that can live on as stock. As it is now, there are job folders organized more like in C1 (although we use Leaf Cap at this location) with a raw folder, process folder, retouch folder and trash folder. So the image info is redoubled, actuall tripled, there are captures, processed tiffs, and retouched psd's with layers. Ultimately a DVD is burned with jpegs or tiffs. But the only thing that "needs" to exist is the RAW file and the retouched psd with layers, eventually discarded when the image goes to stock. Once it is in the stock library, a flat tiff would suffice, perhaps even a jpeg. But you could have a stack with the RAW and the retouched jpeg which would preserve the archive image if needed and hold the final retouched version. For those who do not roundtrip to photoshop for retouching, the RAW itself is the destination. When aperture gets around to supporting a networked archive, watch out, it will be a very powerful studio solution for high volume work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted March 22, 2007 Share #18 Posted March 22, 2007 Robert it maybe nice to just have the raw files only but in my workflow and life i store those processed files as Tif and my finals that i go back to all the time.I would rather not go back and reprocess when that need arises . No matter how you slice the mustard there will always be storage issues and how you deal with Raws and final Tiff's. Frankly if all went to hell in a hand basket and the raws are dumped at least i have the master tifs on another drive or vice versa . But for me the more imporatnt issue is those Tiffs are ready to go out the door today or a year from now without hassle. of course this depends on how you work. i have seperate drives for Raw only and Tiff finals only and than other drives for stuff and others for some graphic design work i do for a few clients . i have drives all over the place. LOL and I also back everything to DVD's. I guess i am not ready or willing to just have just the raws on a drive and process when needed . It depends on how you work but hard drive space is cheap compared to recovering 400 DVD's back to a drive because it failed and they do fail a lot. I wont touch aperture until they support the M8 and even than they won't support the DMR so it got wiped completely off my system the other day . My feeling is screw them if there not supporting my camera's and i have all Mac's here. Not sure i want a to be in bed with them on a whole library system too what happens if i decide to move to a different software managment system than i need to recreate that all over again. That part makes me nervous about any managed system Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertwright Posted March 22, 2007 Share #19 Posted March 22, 2007 The days of 1 TB "thumb" drives are just over the horizon methinks. Crazy. I took the plunge and bought LR for the time being, the Aperture conversions show too much highlight compression with the hack, good as it was (bless Eoin). I agree with you Guy, in some workflows the tiffs are golden. For me, once the jpeg goes on the ftp server, it is trash. I can always export again. But I don't roundtrip that many files into Ps if I can help it. But there are some tiffs stacked with the RAW's in my Aperture library. I have a mix of referenced originals and centralized library originals. Since 1.5 the library has opened so to speak, you can have an entire library of referenced originals, but you do lose the convenience of the vault backups. Now can you tell me what to do with 10 years of color contacts/negs on the shelf behind me?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted March 22, 2007 Share #20 Posted March 22, 2007 Well they don't really. The emperor has no clothes so to speak. you can download a full C1 pro demo to see for yourself, but the main difference is that C1pro makes the application of profiles "easier", in other words it is a menu choice not a preference choice. There are other differences obviously, but compared to LR, Aperture and the ridiculously good Raw Developer, WHY PAY MORE as the ads always say... Anyway, you can get me to go off on C1 ad nauseum, I have to use it at work, and there is absolutely nothing about it that I like. The capture/process metaphor it was built on is really only appropriate for tethered shooting, so as a workspace for the M8 and DSLR's which bring images into a library so to speak, it is at odds. There is no DAM, no output to web galleries, books or print. It's metadata support is pretty thin. The focus utility is a joke, sure you can scale the whole image as large as you like, but can you tell me where exactly on the slider 100% is, because I sure would like to know. So you never really can tell what you are looking at. I also "like" how it litters my HD with session folders... .02 I agree with you 100%. With C1 LE you cannot make an arbitrary rotation of the picture !!! You must to pay 500 euros in order to be able to do that !!! Moreover, C1 generates duplicates of the files. For each .dng file of 10MB, Capture One generates a 13MB .preview file. This is nonsense now, when the paradigm has changed to programs like Aperture or Lightroom, with integrated file management-database tools and non-destructive non-duplicative RAW manipulation. The most funny thing is the price. They ask 100 euros for the LE version. Compare it for the similarly priced RAW Developer !!! The next version, number 4, not even includes a cataloging module. You must to buy it separately !!! Capture One only can be competitive with Aperture or Lightroom if the price drops a lot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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