dkCambridgeshire Posted September 19, 2012 Share #1 Posted September 19, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) leica.overgaard.dk - Thorsten Overgaard's Leica Pages - (Leica M10 or) Leica M and Leica ME Digital Rangefinder Camera - First Impressions from Photokina Thorsten Overgaard interviewing Stefan Daniel about the New M camera. The R solution is discussed at approx 29 minutes where Stefan Daniel says, "I never said sell your R lenses ... keep them ... and here is the proof ..." He also hints that Leica will be making long focus M lenses ... and rules out producing new R lenses. But I wonder if maybe production of the 280/4 APO R could be justified ... being as it is one of the finest lenses ever made with probably the best MTF curve of any Leica optic? Best wishes dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sdai Posted September 20, 2012 Share #2 Posted September 20, 2012 Well, he hasn't said keep the R lenses either. LoL I'd also like to see some of the finest R lenses back in production again but it probably won't make a good business case for Leica plus, the new ones won't be cheaper than what you can buy in the flea market - on the contrary, more expensive! IMO the next thing Leica should work on is a M mount camera excluding the rangefinder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildlightphoto Posted September 20, 2012 Share #3 Posted September 20, 2012 IMO the next thing Leica should work on is a M mount camera excluding the rangefinder. +1!! with the EFV built in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted September 20, 2012 Share #4 Posted September 20, 2012 +2 count me in! I'm in it for the size and the lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightwrangler Posted September 20, 2012 Share #5 Posted September 20, 2012 IMO the next thing Leica should work on is a M mount camera excluding the rangefinder. Why should they axe something that is their USP? Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 20, 2012 Share #6 Posted September 20, 2012 Well, he hasn't said keep the R lenses either. LoL He did say "I'm keeping my R lenses" in an interview quite some while ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 20, 2012 Share #7 Posted September 20, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) +1!! with the EFV built in.Me too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 20, 2012 Share #8 Posted September 20, 2012 Why should they axe something that is their USP? Mike It isn't Leica's USP. It is the USP of Leica's M series. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightwrangler Posted September 20, 2012 Share #9 Posted September 20, 2012 It isn't Leica's USP. It is the USP of Leica's M series. So a Leica EVIL with M bayonet will not be member of the M series although it only takes manual M lenses? What you are talking about is a new camera system with a new lens line. Leica themselves excluded that. Too expensive. Mr Daniel also excluded to build new R-lenses. So what then? Maybe they will develop a new lens-line, but only sometime… Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lars_bergquist Posted September 20, 2012 Share #10 Posted September 20, 2012 Any Leica with a M bayonet, no RF but a hopefully even better and faster EVF than the present one built in, would take all M lenses, and also all SLR lenses with manual focusing, and focus them manually with focus peaking or some other aid. But such a camera – an 'MD' maybe? – would also be able to feed AF information to a hypothetical AF-M lens via contacts in an 'extended' but back-compatible M bayonet. This could be contrast info from the finder, if the refresh rate is high enough, but methods to place a phase-detection cross sensor directly on the main sensor seem to be in the offing, and that could be snappy indeed. But no such camera will be presented until (a) this improved EVF is possible, and ( Leica can expand their manufacturing capability in the new Wetzlar premises. And, of course, if the European economy does not collapse. But Leica did sell exceedingly well even during the Great Depression (probably soon to change its name to 'the First Depression', like the Great War once did). The old man from the Kodachrome Age Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightwrangler Posted September 20, 2012 Share #11 Posted September 20, 2012 Any Leica with a M bayonet, no RF but a hopefully even better and faster EVF than the present one built in, would take all M lenses, and also all SLR lenses with manual focusing, and focus them manually with focus peaking or some other aid. But this "other aid" is still to be developed. Also focus peaking still does not beat the RF between 28 and 90, Mr Daniel himself confirmed that. And because peaking in the end it is just an edge contrast detection system i doubt it will ever beat the rangefinder in focussing accuracy. Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildlightphoto Posted September 20, 2012 Share #12 Posted September 20, 2012 Why should they axe something that is their USP? Mike They don't have to axe it. It would be another model using the same M lenses and R with adapter with the same body shell, nearly the same internal works, and live view and a built-in EFV. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 20, 2012 Share #13 Posted September 20, 2012 So a Leica EVIL with M bayonet will not be member of the M series although it only takes manual M lenses? What you are talking about is a new camera system with a new lens line. Leica themselves excluded that. Too expensive. Mr Daniel also excluded to build new R-lenses. So what then? Maybe they will develop a new lens-line, but only sometime… Mike Correct. This camera would need AF lenses of its own. But it would take M lenses, albeit on a modified bayonet. The M stands for Messsucher, so any camera without a rangefinder is, by definition, not a member of the M series. Except for obvious derivates like the M1 or MD. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted September 20, 2012 Share #14 Posted September 20, 2012 Leica have just stated they WON'T be making a £1000 camera. Never will. That the Leica ME is their entry camera. I would much prefer a longer M Lens than the bigger R equivilent. Could the 'focus assist' being still developed be AF? I mean the exisiting M is a Prototype after all.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightwrangler Posted September 20, 2012 Share #15 Posted September 20, 2012 I don't like to be picky here, Jaap. You get my point. Rolling out a completely electronic Leica camera (called Leica E or whatever) would mean to also roll out a completely new line of lenses. You couldn't do that just with manual M-lenses at hand. This would not happen before Leica has substantially broadened the costumer base. If they really achieve that, they would get into competition with the big boys. If you read the statements from Mrs Daniel and Oeynhausen carefully you will see that they counted both out: No new lens line, no direct competition with the far east. Hence: No completely electronic Leica besides the Panaleicas they already have! Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightwrangler Posted September 20, 2012 Share #16 Posted September 20, 2012 Could the 'focus assist' being still developed be AF? I mean the exisiting M is a Prototype after all.... No. AF would mean new lenses. Or mybe they bring an adaptor for S-lenses It does not make sense, really. Maybe in a distant future they will take the risk of developing a new line, given they stay successful at what they do now. Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted September 20, 2012 Share #17 Posted September 20, 2012 No. AF would mean new lenses This is definitely the M. It's definitely not any lens that Leica or anyone else have for that matter. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/188307-stefan-daniel-i-never-said-sell-your-r-lenses/?do=findComment&comment=2119376'>More sharing options...
digitalpowershot Posted September 20, 2012 Share #18 Posted September 20, 2012 Well, he hasn't said keep the R lenses either. LoL I'd also like to see some of the finest R lenses back in production again but it probably won't make a good business case for Leica plus, the new ones won't be cheaper than what you can buy in the flea market - on the contrary, more expensive! IMO the next thing Leica should work on is a M mount camera excluding the rangefinder. I like the rangefinder as it is... The new M proves the rangefinder can co-exist with live view and other new things... That's the brilliant thing about the M, you have the old and new way of taking pictures in an M. A Leica M without the rangefinder will be just another digicam packed in the body of an M. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightwrangler Posted September 20, 2012 Share #19 Posted September 20, 2012 This is definitely the M. It's definitely not any lens that Leica or anyone else have for that matter. Maybe just the wrap for a prototype. Or a new M-lens. Or - of course - the secret new AF lens line. AF motors must be triggered by optical 6bit code then. Because I did not see any other lens-body-contacts on the pictures of the new M's mount. But why not. One can speculate Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted September 20, 2012 Share #20 Posted September 20, 2012 Who knows. Leica have stated it is a prototype afterall. One surprise to me and I'm sure I read somewhere (perhaps I'm wrong) that the 50 APO-Summicron would be the "new architecture" for a line of M lenses and we would see more at Photokina. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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