Lindolfi Posted September 17, 2012 Share #41 Â Posted September 17, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) Any clue what the "focus button" on the front is for? Â When pressed, it highlights the in-focus parts of the image in red in the LiveView on the LCD and in the optional electronic viewfinder. Focussing itself is still done manually, fortunately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mgreernz Posted September 17, 2012 Share #42 Â Posted September 17, 2012 I'm pleased to finally see a CMOS sensor in the M - and pleased for those with a kit of R lenses - but as for the rest, I'll cheerfully pass. Â In fact, it makes me pretty satisfied with the decision I took a couple of months ago to commit to the M9 - M9P full upgrade. Solms did a great job . If live view was a deal-breaker for me, I'd be seriously reconsidering a Nikon 800E or Canon 5D MkIII. Video isn't even on the horizon for me - I'm a lousy videographer and I sure as sure wouldn't want to be manually focusing a video cam. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
philipus Posted September 17, 2012 Share #43  Posted September 17, 2012 Interesting that the "M" costs less (by $45) in the U.S. than the M9 "classic" did at introduction. I guess Leica has caught on that we're in a deflationary economy. While I'm glad to wait until 2013 and try the actual handling and see some actual results, my takeway right now is that features in the "M" would allow me to pay for one by unloading things it now makes superfluous (Canon 5D2 body for video and R lenses, all my R lenses shorter than 180mm, one of my M9 bodies.  Andy, you've just written the very two things I was thinking right now.  £5100 is 6300€. That's 300€ more than the M9-P (based the price at Leicashop in Vienna). If this conversion is right then, suddenly, the M9-P appears very over-priced. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted September 17, 2012 Share #44 Â Posted September 17, 2012 I agree that the new M would be "affordable" by letting me get rid of a DSLR and the M9 and DSLR lenses. I have the R-50mm/f1.4, and a R-280mm APO f2.8 that I have been waiting for the R announcement to sell. I'll keep my 280/f4 for the M. Â My dream-kit might well be a 28mm Summilux + a 50mm APO Summicron. Â To do this, I may let my 35 Lux and 28 Summicron go if, the 28Lux gets announced. Â Like Jono Slack, I might be tempted by the new 50mm APO Summicron. He was wowed by that lens and is considering selling a few lenses to get it. I have three 50mm lenses I could let go for the 50 APO. This might be a case where I would sell Leica glass. Â Exciting times... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted September 17, 2012 Share #45  Posted September 17, 2012 If the new M is just called 'M', what will the next new M be called? MMM?  It will be called M-AF. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWC Doppel Posted September 17, 2012 Share #46 Â Posted September 17, 2012 Leica Mayfair posted prices a few hours ago for those in the UK Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NZDavid Posted September 17, 2012 Share #47 Â Posted September 17, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) A fascinating line-up of models. Looks like a successful reinvigoration of the M design incorporating the best of modern technology without sacrificing the virtues of the old. The M is unique. As for the rest, X2 range will cater for the style aficionados while the Panasonic-based Leicas will be a practical photographic solution for many. The S is a top pro commercial camera. All that is missing is an APS-sensor EVIL camera -- but Leica has to be a careful not to produce too many "me too models". You only have to really advertise if your competitor is producing a similar product. The uniqueness of Leica is now the company's main selling point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted September 17, 2012 Share #48 Â Posted September 17, 2012 Â I don't really think M9/ M9P prices are going down a lot. The M-E is priced 4800 euro new' date=' used M9's can now be found for 1000 euro less, 3800 euro, or even more. Â 1000 euro is quite a big difference for the same camera. And it gives u better color to (black or grey against greengrey) Â The M9P can be found for 4500 euro, so 300 euro less than a M-E for a nicer looking camera with saphire glass, engraving and better colors (black paint or silver chrome). Â Don't forget either most M9P's are still in warrenty because they are at most a little more than 1 year old. So at the end, I don't think the differences are going to be really big.[/quote'] Â Don't forget the ME (and the M-nothing also) do not have frame preview levers. Evidently I must've missed getting Leica's customer survey where all us long-time loyal users got to vote on that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted September 17, 2012 Share #49 Â Posted September 17, 2012 It'll return, bocaburger - in the M.2 or M.P, for $1,000 extra...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWC Doppel Posted September 17, 2012 Share #50 Â Posted September 17, 2012 Is it only me that feels a little disappointed ? Â Three years later we have an M9 in a different colour at 20% less and a 24mp CMOS based M with ISO performance below the MM. Â Adding a viewfinder on top that appears to be an Olympus unit. Seems a backward step at first glance. The MM pushed the boundaries, the 50 APO set the scene and the big day the wait from May says to me the Leica M is not positioned as the handheld medium format quality in a rangefinder body that I thought might be the case. Â The price positioning is interesting too. Â I was never in the market for an 'M10' but if I was I would feel a little unexcited. Where is the innovation ? Â If Leica was financially challenged the new camera would be perhaps expected, I thought relationships and perhaps reliance on other manufacturers was something that would move into the history books as Leica invested in R&D. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWC Doppel Posted September 17, 2012 Share #51 Â Posted September 17, 2012 A fascinating line-up of models. Looks like a successful reinvigoration of the M design incorporating the best of modern technology without sacrificing the virtues of the old. The M is unique. As for the rest, X2 range will cater for the style aficionados while the Panasonic-based Leicas will be a practical photographic solution for many. The S is a top pro commercial camera. All that is missing is an APS-sensor EVIL camera -- but Leica has to be a careful not to produce too many "me too models". You only have to really advertise if your competitor is producing a similar product. The uniqueness of Leica is now the company's main selling point. Â A different perspective than mine, a few additions found in most other camers don't shout reinvigoration to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted September 17, 2012 Share #52  Posted September 17, 2012 Is it only me that feels a little disappointed ? (snip) Where is the innovation ? If Leica was financially challenged the new camera would be perhaps expected, I thought relationships and perhaps reliance on other manufacturers was something that would move into the history books as Leica invested in R&D.  I'm not sure I can agree with you. I never wanted innovation in the new M. I only wanted what was there to be better and it looks like that will be true. Some of the new features will, for me, allow for better photography and flexibility. I never wanted an iPhone-like innovation upgrade from the M. I am not disappointed in the least. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted September 17, 2012 Share #53  Posted September 17, 2012 These 3 paragraphs are from the Leica blurb:  The glass covering plate of the monitor screen is manufactured from particularly tough and scratch-resistant Corning®Gorilla®Glass.  The Leica M is the first in a long line of Leica rangefinder cameras to feature a completely new development in sensor technology; the Leica Max CMOS image sensor. This 24 MP, full 35 mm format, sensor was designed and constructed in collaboration with CMOSIS especially for the camera and its use with M- and R-Lenses. This new development successfully transfers the characteristic advantages of CCD sensors, such as natural and brilliant colour rendition and impressive reproduction of details, to a CMOS sensor. In combination with the high-performance, Leica Maestro processor that is also employed in Leica S cameras, this new, full format, sensor guarantees maximum imaging quality and speed. This now also means that all elements in the image creation chain, from the lens to the image file are under complete control of the Leica engineers and therefore guarantee the ultimate in imaging performance and quality.  Another particular highlight is the low power consumption of the components that, in conjunction with the particularly high capacity of the battery, ensures outstanding system-autonomy.  Saphire-like glass and it sounds like the image quality from the sensor may be great and higher capacity battery? Sound all good to me... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M. Valdemar Posted September 17, 2012 Share #54 Â Posted September 17, 2012 I suppose this new sensor now has an AA filter? Â If so, will a future option be to get an M without the AA filter, like the Nikon D800e? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edmond_terakopian Posted September 17, 2012 Author Share #55 Â Posted September 17, 2012 I think the Leica M is absolutely innovative and as I mentioned in my blog piece, the additional and sizeable additions have been implemented subtly. A rangefinder that shoots video; very impressive in my book. Also a home for all those R lenses, again, pretty neat! Â I used to have an Olympus E-P2 which uses the same EVF (as far as I know, unless there's some subtle difference). I must say that it's an extremely good EVF and I never had any issues using it. It works really nicely on the X2 as well. Â As has been said, all of this is just fascinating until we see images and video, and see how it handles. Â I for one am really looking forward to using this camera. :-) Â Edmond Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted September 17, 2012 Share #56  Posted September 17, 2012 I suppose this new sensor now has an AA filter? If so, will a future option be to get an M without the AA filter, like the Nikon D800e?  I doubt it has an AA filter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWC Doppel Posted September 17, 2012 Share #57 Â Posted September 17, 2012 I'm not sure I can agree with you. I never wanted innovation in the new M. I only wanted what was there to be better and it looks like that will be true. Some of the new features will, for me, allow for better photography and flexibility. I never wanted an iPhone-like innovation upgrade from the M. I am not disappointed in the least. Â I certainly wasnt thinking technology akin to the iphone. The innovation I was looking for was integration of focus peaking into the viewfinder, a digital overlay but better than the Fuji. To add to the viewfinder not provide two. Some beautifully engineered mechanical magnification of the viewfinder to better deal with wide angle. The solutions seem very bolt on and less genuine integration and innovation to me ? Â With a large zoom, the base and flash mount its far from small. Well executed and built yes but more accessory kit than innovation to me. SLR was innovative way back when. With technology and expertise I was hoping for more elegance with the solution, something to covet and admire. Â Maybe I was hoping for too much ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oysterboy Posted September 17, 2012 Share #58 Â Posted September 17, 2012 Have a look at the back of the new M; "Thums-up" is going out of business... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted September 17, 2012 Share #59 Â Posted September 17, 2012 The innovation I was looking for was integration of focus peaking into the viewfinder, a digital overlay but better than the Fuji. To add to the viewfinder not provide two. Â The M ist still an RF camera and the EVF therefore an add-on which might be an absolute must for some and an absolute no go for others. An new Leica without an RF would have been quite a disappointment for many at this point in time. I must confess, though, that I had hoped for exactly such a thing at a still lower price than the ME. However, it's not a thing I actually need. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted September 17, 2012 Share #60 Â Posted September 17, 2012 It will be called M-AF. Â Adding a Panasonic style iA mode on to the dial, the camera becomes a M-AF-IA. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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