Guest leicawanabe Posted March 14, 2007 Share #1  Posted March 14, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Here is the answer from Leica regarding manual selection of lens in menu. This will answer the WATE exif data questions as well  Dear Mr. Torralba  It will be possible to choose the focal length if a Tri-Elmar 16-18-21 is attached, but not for other lenses. We think that it is too dangerous to be set to a wrong value when it can be chosen manually. Also because there are many differnet lenses that have similar names it would also be a very long list with very detailed describtions, this is not really comfortable.   Best Regards, Jesko v. Oeynhausen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sirvine Posted March 14, 2007 Share #2 Â Posted March 14, 2007 Makes sense to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted March 14, 2007 Share #3 Â Posted March 14, 2007 Hi, Jorge, can you translate the message for me please? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atufte Posted March 14, 2007 Share #4 Â Posted March 14, 2007 This is complete BS, Nikon has this "in meny" from 6mm-4000mm and it works great, you only choose focal length and it's biggest f/stop from an under meny, and everything works perfect (even 3D matrix) works with very old manual Nikkor lenses... Â This would not be to advanced and certanly not "dangerous" like Leica states... Â Take a look at this Leica.... Â http://www.nikonians.org/nikon/d200_and_non-cpu_lenses/ Â The only reason for not doing this is that Leica will loose money on their "so called" lens coding business...but come on Leica, better to be user friendly than a few bucks richer...?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted March 14, 2007 Share #5 Â Posted March 14, 2007 basically he saying that you will be able to manually selet the lens in the menu. Â Â Jesko is the lead engineer at leica and is sometimes hard to understand his German to English translation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted March 14, 2007 Share #6  Posted March 14, 2007 basically he saying that you will be able to manually selet the lens in the menu.  Jesko is the lead engineer at leica and is sometimes hard to understand his German to English translation.   No he is saying that you will be able to select which focal length you are using WHEN you have the WATE attached to the camera. He is also saying that to manually select the FL for other lenses is NOT possible. His reference to being to dangerous is just BIG BS. Simple Leica doesn't want you to buy Zeiss lenses and be able to input the FL and f/ stop. They want you to buy Leica lenses, new or used, and PAY them to have them coded if they aren't already. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted March 14, 2007 Share #7 Â Posted March 14, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) I think his reference about being dangerous is really the meaning they can't guarnetee other lenses will work correctly like a Zeiss that the cyan drift correction and exposure maybe off. i think that is what he is trying to say. I correspond with Jesko and his wording is a little confusing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted March 14, 2007 Share #8 Â Posted March 14, 2007 Guy, perhaps you should try corresponding in German... Â I think it's reasonable for Leica to restrict the focal length selection to the WATE. This has nothing to do with the coding business (which I'm told is done at cost) and everything to do with making sure image correction is based on accurate knowledge of the characteristics of the lens mounted. Â I just hope they put the selection in the SET menu, not buried in the configuration menu. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted March 14, 2007 Share #9  Posted March 14, 2007 I think his reference about being dangerous is really the meaning they can't guarnetee other lenses will work correctly like a Zeiss that the cyan drift correction and exposure maybe off. i think that is what he is trying to say. I correspond with Jesko and his wording is a little confusing  Well honestly that is my problem not Leica's. They should include a section to select the FL of the lens you have attached. If I'm not using a Leitz/Leica lens then I won't get the correct adjustments. You wouldn't anyway using a Zeiss, Canon or a Leitz that doesn't have a code but at least the FL would show in the EXIF data. If I'm using a Leica lens that could be coded but hasn't then I would get the correct adjustment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted March 14, 2007 Share #10 Â Posted March 14, 2007 I think it's reasonable for Leica to restrict the focal length selection to the WATE. This has ... everything to do with making sure image correction is based on accurate knowledge of the characteristics of the lens mounted. Â I just hope they put the selection in the SET menu, not buried in the configuration menu. Â I'm not surprised, but I am a bit disappointed. I was not encouraged by the hardline tone of the filter communications (" you will only see optimal results with Leica filters ") and this is the same approach. I bet they do not put focal length selection in the SET menu, because that one doesn't scroll at present, while the configuration MENU can be as long as they choose. I do feel a small "I told you so" glow because indeed the WATE requires specifying its focal length through the menu, and Leica apparently has accepted that. Â Sharpie coding the extreme wide angle lenses as the WATE or Leica 21, 24, 28s will at least allow using the firmware in the M8 to correct for the red vignetting that an IR-cut filter generates in front of these lenses. The rest of the corrections will be approximate. There is still room for postprocessing actions to correct the remaining differences. Â scott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Englander Posted March 14, 2007 Share #11 Â Posted March 14, 2007 Very interesting but does not solve the mystery of how the WATE Guy tried at PMA was able to tell the camera that he had changed its focal length. If Guy had had to push buttons, I am sure he would have remembered and would have told us. Â Joe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted March 14, 2007 Share #12 Â Posted March 14, 2007 Actually, there was a hint there: if the WATE (uselessly) set the frames to three different values, then it could use that to distinguish the three different focal lengths. Could someone with a WATE try to push the frameset lever in both directions and take pictures and see what happens to the EXIF? Â Even if this does not currently work, that would certainly be a way around the problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Englander Posted March 14, 2007 Share #13 Â Posted March 14, 2007 Carsten, Have done that. All settings return 18 no matter what focal length and no matter what frame finder position. Â Joe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted March 14, 2007 Share #14 Â Posted March 14, 2007 Hmm. Maybe the new version does have that? I don't know how else they could have pulled it off. This is the only theory I have so far... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Englander Posted March 14, 2007 Share #15 Â Posted March 14, 2007 Carsten, As I said elsewhere, if they did change the lens, when did they do it and will they update the older ones? You know, the ones that are all of a month old? The one delivered yesterday to my friend does not differ from mine. Is this like buying the M8 in November: you get it early but you lose time with it going to Germany? I suppose that is better than being told that I have a "film" WATE and that the "digital" WATEs are now available with better hoods, communication to the body, and a slightly higher price.... Â Joe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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