sdai Posted March 12, 2007 Share #21 Â Posted March 12, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Thanks a lot Guy ... but I doubt that Leica will make a 15/3.5, it's just too close to the 16/4 WATE. A 15/2.8 with rangefinder coupling will make a lot more sense - and cost probably won't be a concern for folks who're determined to get stuff like that. I do agree that the 75 lux needs an update ... it would be a shame that Leica doesn't have anything faster than f/2 in the short tele department. Â Cheers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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steve_l Posted March 12, 2007 Share #22 Â Posted March 12, 2007 the real question, i think, is when Leica will bite the bullet and produce lenses specifically for the M8....with the 1.33 crop we could have all of those very wide, very fast lenses.....it is clear that there are pelnty of lenses for the film guys already, and at some point they will see that their lens market is really the M8 guys. Even the M8 guys who also shoot film would buy M8-only lenses that really gave an advantage... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted March 12, 2007 Share #23 Â Posted March 12, 2007 Simon, why does the 75 Lux need an update? Do you have one, or have you tried one? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted March 12, 2007 Share #24 Â Posted March 12, 2007 Simple ... because they don't have one in their lineup now and I (personally) think they should have one. Â Also I certainly hope that they won't waste their energy on any smaller than 35mm FF lenses. If the engineers in Solm desparately need something to do in order to justify their pay cheque, they could spend some time on a 35/1.4 Mk2, a 50/1.0 Mk2, a 75/1.4 Mk2 and so on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogopix Posted March 12, 2007 Share #25 Â Posted March 12, 2007 There is a very nice 75 LUX in the line up rather WAS I think was recently discontinued. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted March 12, 2007 Share #26 Â Posted March 12, 2007 That's what I meant to say, Victor ... I personally would like to see a replacement to the one discontinued. On the other hand, I would have no complain at all if Leica choose to stay with the "elder" designs. Making new lenses certainly isn't their number one priority (for now). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted March 12, 2007 Share #27 Â Posted March 12, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Yes it was discontinued and as someone said it was the passage of time. Maybe some new glass will replace it or maybe a new Tri like a 35/ 50/ 75 F2 now that one may put me on the edge of my seat. I want a 9 inch close focus lens either 50 or 75. Okay that is why there called dreams Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted March 12, 2007 Share #28 Â Posted March 12, 2007 Maybe some new glass will replace it or maybe a new Tri like a 35/ 50/ 75 F2 now that one may put me on the edge of my seat. If that's the message you've brought back from PMA, Guy ... I could plan a budget of 6000 dollars - it is certinaly worth more than a Noctilux. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted March 12, 2007 Share #29  Posted March 12, 2007 I want a 9 inch close focus lens either 50 or 75. Okay that is why there called dreams  Parallex Guy, it'd only happen with a goggled lens. Don't sell the SLRs, sometimes they do a better job than an M <grin> Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted March 12, 2007 Share #30 Â Posted March 12, 2007 If that's the message you've brought back from PMA, Guy ... I could plan a budget of 6000 dollars - it is certinaly worth more than a Noctilux. Â No that one is a complete guess. It would be kinda fun though . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted March 12, 2007 Share #31  Posted March 12, 2007 All i got was a smile when I mentioned lenses. Let's see what happens in the future. You know there going to grow there lens line but what is the question. There are some holes that certainly could be filled  12mm certainly would be nice  15 3.5 was mentioned to Leica from Andy and I  24 f2 was mentioned to Leica from Andy and I  28 1.4 but i kind of disagree here , the F2 is a killer and anything faster would be big. We have to remember there concern is size and the RF viewing.  New 50 Nocti.  75 1.2 but smaller than the 1.4. Dream lens for sure  135 f2 apo . Yes I WANT one, who cares about frame lines. LOL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsolomon Posted March 13, 2007 Share #32 Â Posted March 13, 2007 Guy, thanks for the information, it sounds like you put in time and effort to report back...thankyou. Â i must say that your information is the identical information i can get by stopping by leica NJ or calling- this is not special relationship info . i have also met with Christian a few times when visiting, the leica team is open to meeting with people. The problem remains the same.... Â little to no information given, the venue was there to share and talk about the future and they didn't. As far as expanding lenses..this makes sense... as i always say leica is about lenses NOT cameras. Â If leica is listening to this user i'm pretty much fed up waitng as the world moves forward. At this point i am considering selling my DMR.... i will keep the R9 and my lenses- i am very interested in the R-adpater for digilux 3, if this provides focus confirmation i'm there. if not i will explore the industry a bit .. Â on firmware; there is no excuse at this time, V1 came out right after i received my DMR - i got from the first us shipment .. so most received V! with orginal package. V2 missed and frankly wasn't QA'd to well, the problem with warm monitr is SO apparent that it's hard to beleive it went through any type of rigorous testing. V3 yet to comeout. From my perspective they have not yet release a firmware update . Â Leica has nice people, smart people, great engineers, fantastic customer support, dedicated user, etc, etc, etc BUT they are not able to handle this customer's need - which i am convinced are reasonable. Â rich Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted March 13, 2007 Share #33 Â Posted March 13, 2007 Richard sorry to say but your looking for someone to hold your hand, it is not going to happen with leica or anyone else. They are NOT going to talk about anything that is in the future plans until it is in there hands. Go ask canon the same question, i can tell you exactly what they will say and it won't be pleasant. i tired and the same with Nikon. Honestly you are asking the black jack dealer to show there hand so you can bet. Richard take a guess 2 years you will see another R body, pretty simple. truthfully does that help you , it does nothing for me . here is another. in 2009 there will be 6 new lens for the R camera. Example of course but it does absolutely NOTHING for me TODAY. I can't worry what leica will do a year or 2 years from now . I need to produce images today and make money , Period. your looking for a golden ring in a pile of hay, good luck but the pissing and whining is getting you absolutely nowhere. You want firmware get on the phone and go chew Imacon out and tell them you can't use the camera but everyone else on the planet is just doing fine with there DMR. Yea it is slow yea the AWB is off big deal, it produces the best images in 35mm . Do you deliver functions or images. The problem is not leica per say it is a vendor that can't get it together to put out the correct firmware. Did anyone stop and think that leica won't accept another 1.2 in 1.3. Â I'm sorry if that sounded rude but think about this for a second would you want your company information in someone else's hands to take your market share away Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted March 13, 2007 Share #34 Â Posted March 13, 2007 Richard i would not sell the DMR for a D3 for any money in the world . it is stop down just like using a Canon. it makes no sense to go from a working DMR image to one that will not compare equally. Although good it is not a DMR image Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted March 13, 2007 Share #35  Posted March 13, 2007 75 1.2 but smaller than the 1.4. Dream lens for sure 135 f2 apo . Yes I WANT one, who cares about frame lines. LOL Won't happen, Guy. To focus a 75 at f/1.2 you'll need an effective rangefinder baselength of apprx. 62.34mm, for the 135/2 you'll need about 121.20mm. The M8's effective baselength is only 47.1mm, it could only "improve" to about 63.59mm with the Japanese made MS-Optical 1.35x VF magnifier, with the Leica 1.25x you could only get 58.86mm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted March 13, 2007 Share #36 Â Posted March 13, 2007 geez Simon you bursted my bubble. LOL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted March 13, 2007 Share #37 Â Posted March 13, 2007 I really like you idea on the 35-50-75/2, Guy ... this would be my dream lens effectively replacing almost everything I'm using with a M - and I think that one is certainly doable! Â What should we name it? WNTC (wide-norm-tele-cron)? Â Cheers, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blakley Posted March 13, 2007 Share #38 Â Posted March 13, 2007 If you want a new 1.2 my vote would be for a reissue of the 50/1.2 Noct design, which could be done cheaper now that aspherics can be machine-made for a reasonable cost. Heck, why not go the whole hog and redesign the 1.2 as a Noct 1.0 ASPH, with the much better bokeh of the original 1.2 and the faster speed of the modern lens? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgcd Posted March 13, 2007 Share #39  Posted March 13, 2007 Richard sorry to say but your looking for someone to hold your hand, it is not going to happen with leica or anyone else. They are NOT going to talk about anything that is in the future plans until it is in there hands. Go ask canon the same question, i can tell you exactly what they will say and it won't be pleasant. i tired and the same with Nikon. Honestly you are asking the black jack dealer to show there hand so you can bet. Richard take a guess 2 years you will see another R body, pretty simple. truthfully does that help you , it does nothing for me . here is another. in 2009 there will be 6 new lens for the R camera. Example of course but it does absolutely NOTHING for me TODAY. I can't worry what leica will do a year or 2 years from now . I need to produce images today and make money , Period. your looking for a golden ring in a pile of hay, good luck but the pissing and whining is getting you absolutely nowhere. You want firmware get on the phone and go chew Imacon out and tell them you can't use the camera but everyone else on the planet is just doing fine with there DMR. Yea it is slow yea the AWB is off big deal, it produces the best images in 35mm . Do you deliver functions or images. The problem is not leica per say it is a vendor that can't get it together to put out the correct firmware. Did anyone stop and think that leica won't accept another 1.2 in 1.3.  I'm sorry if that sounded rude but think about this for a second would you want your company information in someone else's hands to take your market share away  Guy, you beat me to it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsolomon Posted March 13, 2007 Share #40 Â Posted March 13, 2007 i hear what you are saying...... Â i am emotionally attached to leica and have been with them for years, dropped some $$ and enjoyed their product. However i am not a professional, i do NOT only shoot raw, i do NOT want to post process every frame. my goal is to be in the feild shooting photos, not spending time adjusting hue, color, saturation, curves, white balance, etc... Â as i get older i want more time in the field shooting-less time infornt of the computer ... for the film world leica was the best- hands down, for digital-it questionable for my usage. Â i have used a digilux 3, its a good camera.... with ANY luck the D3 to R adapter will allow R lenses the functions the Digulux can offer. If the adapter carry's those "easy to use" functions i will sell the DMR (thoughts at this point) . keep the R9 for film, use the D3 for digital and maintain and buy more lenses..... i beleive this is best for me as a hobbiest... Â for you pro's who shoot only raw , want thousands of 20mg files, are a wiz at computers, and love Capture One : I am sure you have a different perspective... Â i will sit down with Christian E at leica in New Jersey for his perspective.. Â bottom line is leica is making the R9 & DMR combo to time consuming for my liking - Â a field guy and hobbiest, not a computer wiz at Capture one pro (and no desire). Â Â As for imacon, sure i'll call them....but in my business when you buy a product from a company you are buying interface to service the product too. for example my digilux 2's casing is coming loose - i have been wating 3 months for the part needed. should i be calling the manufacturer of that part ? should i call the glue company ? or should i go to leica.... Â IMHO: most companies are poorly run, Leica is just another one....not to be interperted they don't make a great product, because they do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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