Jamie Roberts Posted July 18, 2012 Share #21 Posted July 18, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hey Ben, then with your permission, I post my (very quick!) rework...thanks for your kind words... Some caveats: open it in PS if you're on Windows and aren't using Firefox's colour management. Also, I didn't dodge or burn anything; just work colour through curves and selective saturation. Literally about 2 minutes from your JPEG. Thanks for the information on the background for the shot. As I was working, I could see there was lots of weirdness in the light source, and you can see some of that here. I'm also assuming he's in some shade (and therefore should have quite a bit of cyan in his face). Interestingly, the lips and eyes colour aren't really very far off your original, but I have taken most of the orange out, because it didn't seem like it was coming from orange light. You could lower the overall saturation again too, but you don't want to lose all of the "life" in the skin. You could also lighten this (or dodge and burn a little) and still have the overall colour tone. Oh, and in mixed up light like this, I always start getting the neutrals (white point and black point) in some kind of neutrality How I miss my DMR But it's not really the camera: once again--awesome shot! Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/183509-this-river-runs-deep/?do=findComment&comment=2065773'>More sharing options...
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roguewave Posted July 18, 2012 Author Share #22 Posted July 18, 2012 Jaime, I like your rendition. Unfortunately, it's a fiction. He's just not that dark. He's much lighter toned, obviously light skinned Mulatto. He's from Kingston, Jamaica and when we talked we shared our experiences about life in the Capitol. I have sailed to Jamaica & Haiti several times and done a number of sail boat deliveries and participated in Swim meets in my teenage days in Jamaica as a member of Junior Olympic Swimming.. He's a south shore native. He has Spanish blood lines and his distant family was in the sailing trade (maybe slavers). He's really not chocolate at all. He has the bones & facial structure, which are quite striking, but his skin color is from a mix with Spain. I'm quite familiar with many individuals in Spanish Harlem (East 116th - 100th Street), that is the vortex of Dominicans, Puerto Ricans, Cuban-Americans and Afro-Carribean individuals that share a very similar skin tone & heritage. I never asked about the scar. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted July 20, 2012 Share #23 Posted July 20, 2012 {snipped}. I'm quite familiar with many individuals in Spanish Harlem (East 116th - 100th Street), that is the vortex of Dominicans, Puerto Ricans, Cuban-Americans and Afro-Carribean individuals that share a very similar skin tone & heritage. I never asked about the scar. Hey Ben, well, you have the advantage over me of actually being there and knowing the young man But my main point is he likely isn't orange Unless he is As I said in the post, you could go much, much lighter without returning there; if he has lighter skin and it's not the time of day (another thing I couldn't tell), then it's a matter of understanding that. I'm also limited, of course, in what I can do with a JPEG, but you get where I'm coming from... and here's a totally different take on the same image. Losing highlights due to the JPEG, but just to show you... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! I'm sure it's just as fictional, but the neutrals are still neutral, and you can see how different this is with just a different set of curves. Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! I'm sure it's just as fictional, but the neutrals are still neutral, and you can see how different this is with just a different set of curves. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/183509-this-river-runs-deep/?do=findComment&comment=2066973'>More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted July 20, 2012 Share #24 Posted July 20, 2012 The original looks the most 'natural' to me. The first rework is too dark and over-saturated and the second is rather washed out. Just saying......... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted July 20, 2012 Share #25 Posted July 20, 2012 The original looks the most 'natural' to me. The first rework is too dark and over-saturated and the second is rather washed out. Just saying......... Working with JPEGs here Don't forget to check them in PS on a good monitor, but in truth I can only do so much without a raw file, and yes, the first rework has lots of saturation and the second does not--and that's on purpose. IOW, you can pick any point in-between. And TBH I'm less concerned with how they "look" over the 'net than how they measure (because ultimately I care about print). Unless the guy had an orange light on his face or has more damage to his face, then the orange in the original is probably not his skin colour either But it's important to point out that there *may* have been exactly that light or that damage, or he has an individual skin tone, too. That's always the case when changing something so drastically without any evidence other than the neutrals in the original. But if so, then the shot is certainly extraordinary in terms of colour (and not just in terms of Ben's talent in getting it!). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roguewave Posted July 20, 2012 Author Share #26 Posted July 20, 2012 Jamie, thanks for the instruction. One would have to just surrender to the crazy quilt of lights, coming from every corner in Times Square. Most of the LED signs are 2 -4 stories tall and they fill almost even inch of the Square, shinning their glow onto every surface. I often take environmental portraits in the early evening in Times Square, knowing full well that the colors are a big part of the emotional response from my subject. Standing under a 200-300 foot wall of LEDS that simulate an HD TV creates a very different way of looking at the world & the masses of people "swimming" in waves as the look upwards to the displays. Thanks for all your input. I always learn a great deal from you & your work. Wish we could get a chance to see more of it again. All the Best. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted July 20, 2012 Share #27 Posted July 20, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) Jamie, thanks for the instruction. One would have to just surrender to the crazy quilt of lights, coming from every corner in Times Square. Most of the LED signs are 2 -4 stories tall and they fill almost even inch of the Square, shinning their glow onto every surface. I often take environmental portraits in the early evening in Times Square, knowing full well that the colors are a big part of the emotional response from my subject. Standing under a 200-300 foot wall of LEDS that simulate an HD TV creates a very different way of looking at the world & the masses of people "swimming" in waves as the look upwards to the displays. Thanks for all your input. I always learn a great deal from you & your work. Wish we could get a chance to see more of it again. All the Best. Ben, I have been there, so I know what you're saying. Same goes, increasingly, for Toronto too--the giant LEDs and other light sources really do play havoc with the colour environment. Thanks for your kind words, too. One of these days (like the late fall, I hope) I'll get time to shoot personal stuff again and post--besides family stuff. Right now I'm busy with the wedding season, but I always like to see what you're posting here Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Allsopp Posted July 20, 2012 Share #28 Posted July 20, 2012 I like your original Ben. Fine portrait. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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