Guest Olof Posted March 5, 2007 Share #1 Â Posted March 5, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) can anybody see a difference between the following B/W profiles i use in C1. If so which do you like best ? Â http://homepage.mac.com/olofsborg/PhotoAlbum129.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertwright Posted March 5, 2007 Share #2 Â Posted March 5, 2007 Honestly, they all look identical to me. What is weird about this is that Sean did a test of the jfi profiles too, and I could not for the life of me tell the difference. He only posted each serially, so it was very impossible to do side by side, but as I was scrolling through, I was unable to really see any difference, unless they were minute. Â Imo, there is no reason to bother with JFI, you can do more in the channel mixer in either LR or Aperture. Raw Developer has given me much better bw than both of them as well, the combination of different conversion methods, (6?) plus filtration options, PLUS the excellent noise reduction algorithms means you have control over contrast and grain. So many choices that I would long for a simple plugin like JFI, but so far, I have not seen any difference. Perhaps others have. Â Downloaded the alien skin plugin but since that is for Photoshop only it will not see much use as Ps is no longer in my standard workflow for RAW. Â At least they were only 16$ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barjohn Posted March 5, 2007 Share #3 Â Posted March 5, 2007 Like Robert, I can't see any difference either. I couldn't see any on Sean's site either but I thought it was me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Olof Posted March 5, 2007 Share #4 Â Posted March 5, 2007 Thats exactly what i think, i cant see a really difference between the profiles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 5, 2007 Share #5 Â Posted March 5, 2007 The new B&W converter in PSE5, by the way, does a pretty good job as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artichoke Posted March 5, 2007 Share #6 Â Posted March 5, 2007 but in print there is a difference the number of profiles is daunting & the differences subtle for sure for some the differences between the Ilford SXF, PanF, XP2 Super and the Kodak TriX/TMax are not trivial ...the Agfa profile differences are very subtle, but different as well much depends on the subject matter and is best seen at larger sizes than the samples given here what I have found from my early playing with these profiles, is that they preserve details better than using a channel method of conversion for me they were worth the small investment, though I think the number of profiles overwhelming ...I had used DigiDaan's free converter and moved on to the PS filter from PhotoPlugins which is excellent ...I still use it to add grain, but prefer the results I get from the jfi profiles Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertwright Posted March 5, 2007 Share #7 Â Posted March 5, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) I think no matter what you do, either RAW or scan bw negs, you still have to go into photoshop and use adjustment layers to burn and dodge just like in the wet darkroom. So the profiles I would say are not very useful. Maybe as a "work print" idea. But as final I think there is a big difference between a straight raw conversion with a profile, any profile, does not matter whether it is JFI or XYZ, and a master print with local tonal controls. Most of my bw (scanned) has 6 or 7 or more adjustment layers for tonal control, with painting on the layer mask for the area I am working on. this is one of the joys of bw, the complete control over tones, and the ability to radically depart from the "real" so to speak. Much harder to do that in color. It is also very fun! A lot more fun than wb... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Olof Posted March 5, 2007 Share #8 Â Posted March 5, 2007 I asked JFI profiles not to charge me, because I am not satisfied with their B/W profiles. I just recieved a message from PayPal that they send me back my money. I think thats quite a good service ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
j. borger Posted March 5, 2007 Share #9 Â Posted March 5, 2007 I never bothered for their B&W FILMS for capture 1 (these are new profiles), because i could not see the differences at Seans site either BUT JFI also has the B&W TOOLKIT for capture 1 which includes different filter settings and is much longer around... that set of profiles is outstanding as far as i am concerned .. better than anything else i have tried... Of course you have to work the contrast yourself later as Robert states..... but they are an excellent starting point... and most important ..... give you the ability of a complete B&W workflow! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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