Riley Posted March 4, 2007 Share #21 Â Posted March 4, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) the Fuji foveon is bayerless Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted March 4, 2007 Posted March 4, 2007 Hi Riley, Take a look here New Leica M in the Pipeline for Black & White only?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
ron110n Posted March 4, 2007 Share #22  Posted March 4, 2007 Hello folks, rumours came to me about a new Leica M with more than 20 M-Pixels for Photographs in Black & White only.That would be terrific!  Can anyone comment that rumour?  Thanks,  Chris  Maybe, but that's not the rummor I got. What I gathered was Leica will release a digital body with a different lens mount from the M. Might also be an M, but different. It will have a smaller lens mount and the lens will be dedicated to digital photography. I also heard that Leica offered to design and manufacture DSLR lens for Canon. That would've been awesome since Canon is currently superior with sensors. "But Canon refused". Of course Leica will drop the Canon L lens to the canvas "easy" since with lens design, Leica's is superior to Canon.  Making a different mount will be smart move for Leica to survive since they don't make money with a subcontracted digital body. From what I heard Leica chose to focus on Lens designing and keep the body subcontracted likewise make lenses for other brands. Get ready for the RD-2.  *** The digital camera is just another image capturing computer. Manufacturers are still working to fix the bugs yet it's about to be obsolete with a better design of the competion. Nothing wrong with the current bugs of the new release Digital Camera. But that's the way it is. Release it before it becomes obsolete. The more you R&D the more the manufacturing cost increase and through time the market value depriciate and likewise the market share decrease. Hi-Tech is a though game and I do Hi-Tech most of my life at work. "Very exciting, but most of the time it get too exciting".  Just my 2 cents, -Ron  Creature of Habbits or the Caveman within Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted March 4, 2007 Share #23 Â Posted March 4, 2007 the Fuji foveon is bayerless Not Fuji - it's used in the Sigma digital SLR - it has 3 layers of pixels however, so although the latest camera is 14mp it actually produces an image of 2688x1792 - around 5mp - mind you, the resolution is supposedly around equivalent to 10mp from a bayer camera. Â A single level bayerless version of the Kodak sensor would be much higher resolution - and much faster. Â But whether it's worth manufacturing is another matter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerchy Posted March 4, 2007 Share #24 Â Posted March 4, 2007 Making the sensor BW-only requires removal of the Bayer filter and construction of a new sensor altogether. I doubt that this can be achieved for oly a 300 euro price difference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzav Posted March 4, 2007 Share #25 Â Posted March 4, 2007 I am not sure where the idea originated that removing the Bayer Array filter would produce a four times, three times, or even double the resolution of the 10.3mp sensor. Â There are roughly 5.1m Green filtered photosites, and 2.6m each of the Red and Blue filtered photosites with the Bayer Array in place. The only thing that would physically change by removing the filter array is the loss of color capability; you will still have a total of 3936 x 2626 photosites (or 10.335936mp) on the sensor! Â The process of demosaicing uses the surrounding photosites of each pixel to interpolate the COLOR of that pixel; with rare exceptions, it does not create or remove pixels. This has been my understanding of the digital image sensor's operation, and I have not seen any information to the contrary. Â Of course, once Guy removed that hot shoe screw, all bets are off; we have truly entered the realm of black hole physics! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
waterlenz Posted March 4, 2007 Share #26  Posted March 4, 2007 Sounds like an interesting idea! HOWEVER!!!! Leica needs to solve the current M8 issues, particularly the banding before further experimentation. These problems could also occur in this hypothetical camera. Also, the firmware issues...  The Kodak B&W had some technical issues that never seemed to have been solved. The present M8 works rather well for B&W as is. I am re-posting a picture I took in Taos a couple weeks ago as an example (M8, 24mm, B+W 092 filter). IMHO, they do not need a bigger problem right now. Tom Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/17770-new-leica-m-in-the-pipeline-for-black-white-only/?do=findComment&comment=189771'>More sharing options...
Riley Posted March 4, 2007 Share #27  Posted March 4, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Not Fuji - it's used in the Sigma digital SLR - it has 3 layers of pixels however, so although the latest camera is 14mp it actually produces an image of 2688x1792 - around 5mp - mind you, the resolution is supposedly around equivalent to 10mp from a bayer camera. A single level bayerless version of the Kodak sensor would be much higher resolution - and much faster.  But whether it's worth manufacturing is another matter.  ah yes, my apologies i continually confuse fuji and the foveon, it is indeed sigma  thanks for pointing that out Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted March 4, 2007 Share #28 Â Posted March 4, 2007 .......and Elvis is working in Mc Donalds! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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