Eoin Posted March 1, 2007 Share #21  Posted March 1, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) It appears that you shot this photo with version 1.091 firmware installed. I was looking in the exif using exiftool and I notice Leica have made changes to the info inside. I'm talking about the matrix 1 and matrix 2 data which provide the raw decode info AFIK.Leica have adjusted the values recorded in the dng with the withdrawn firmware On version 1.09 of the firmware this data was always the same matrix2 was a duplicate of matrix 1. But with DNGs taken with the 1.091 the values are not only different but matrix1 and 2 are also different  I have taken this data and transfered it to the raw.plist M8 profile we had made under M1 for matrix1 and m2 for matrix 2 and reprocessed guys file in the post above with no adjustments at all in aperture.  Guy as a side note what lens did you use for the shot as no data exists in the exif?. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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eronald Posted March 1, 2007 Share #22  Posted March 1, 2007 Edmund maybe try that midtone again. I used linear and the Portrasa. That transition i saw on the nude also from light to the mid tone I agree personal taste does play a role . Were also looking here for dead on no questions asked and that is really hard to do when we all see things differently. But i am much more encorged lately than i have for months on color. i get picky though  Portrasa is a one-size-fits-all portrait clobber, a bit like a portrait emulsion, so it's not perfect just very good and simple. I'll send you the style version (I think you have the exposure version). The style version loads it all in with one click - one click portrait tone for the M8 !  If people can tell me how they want it improved, I'll improve Portrasa. In the mean time I'll try to do a PC version. The new firmware probably needs new profiles, too.  Edmund Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted March 2, 2007 Share #23 Â Posted March 2, 2007 Eoin I used the 75 mm lux Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted March 2, 2007 Share #24  Posted March 2, 2007 I noticed that there is quite a bit of moire in the subject's hair (sometimes the Leica lenses are just too sharp!). C1 'default' conversion and a few tweaks seems fine to me. Incidentally, I agree with Guy about the speed of working in C1 versus Aperture. Now that I have familiarised myself with the weird workflow of C1, I find it a very efficient way of converting a bunch of RAW files. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/17570-new-raw-converter-test/?do=findComment&comment=187357'>More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted March 2, 2007 Share #25 Â Posted March 2, 2007 Ian yes these lenses are extremely sharp and running into moire probably will be more of a issue than I have with my DMR. The 75 lux is really a sharp lens and honestly if anyone says it is soft than hit them on the head because there dead wrong. This lens screams sharp and as many would not consider it to be in the top 10 compared to others and that alone is a scary thought. What i am most impressed about the M8 is the ability to get maximum resolution out of these lenses for a sensor and there is still more elbow room for a even much higer mpx camera. So in the future we are sitting very well with our glass no matter what leica can throw at us. I can't say that with many other systems of lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted March 2, 2007 Share #26  Posted March 2, 2007 From what I can tell from the shots posted here, the new firmware definitely needs new profiles.  I'm not going to even try though till they bring in the cyan fix; not much point in mucking around till then. In the meantime, Edmund, those filtered profiles are looking pretty good.  "Taste" for a portrait colour aside, and with huge caveats about looking at this stuff on the internet, the overall skin color with C1 seems right to me; Caucasian skin mostly has more yellow than magenta and much less cyan. Lightroom looks way too magenta to me; Edmund's look just about nails it (though again, not color managed in this medium--YMMV).  On that note, I'm downloading the DNG and will have a look too.  EDIT: Ok, I did have a look...  First, no moire in the hair at all (Ian--were you looking at the C1 preview? Can't do that, man, it's not accurate. Look at the focus tab preview instead--that's the actual RAW develop), and the "mush" in the hair is just a noise / focus setting.  This is done with my regular sat C1 profile, corrected a wee bit for the blues / greens and tweaked for skin a touch. On my system, the skin tones are right on the money "by the numbers"...  Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/17570-new-raw-converter-test/?do=findComment&comment=187398'>More sharing options...
barjohn Posted March 2, 2007 Share #27 Â Posted March 2, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) That looks very good to me too! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted March 2, 2007 Share #28  Posted March 2, 2007 Jamie here is my final in LR ,i like a touch red but only a touch this is the image just before yours when shooting , really identical Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/17570-new-raw-converter-test/?do=findComment&comment=187412'>More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted March 2, 2007 Share #29 Â Posted March 2, 2007 It's splitting hairs on what you like but we are so close with this. I am back on safari and actually this is dead on to my monitor now. But LR needs a calibration , the reds are just coming in too strong and actually quite typical of ACR and always was. Someone at Adobe likes red Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted March 2, 2007 Share #30 Â Posted March 2, 2007 Hey Guy--yes--they're very, very close (and in fact yours may have a little more contrast, which, if mine matched, would make them even closer!) Looks like LR is nailing it though, and that's good! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted March 2, 2007 Share #31 Â Posted March 2, 2007 But to C1 credit look at her jacket there is more detail in the dark area's. Now in LR you can pull that out but that is extra work. Â Great tag team work Jamie , we should do workshops. ROTFLMAO Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted March 2, 2007 Share #32 Â Posted March 2, 2007 You got it, Guy! Name the place! LOL!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted March 2, 2007 Share #33 Â Posted March 2, 2007 I hope this certainly helps folks with there experimentation with these files and some of these raw converters , now i will admit Jamie and I are extremely picky here but with C1 try Jamies and Edmunds profiles these are very good and remember LR and ACR are red so make and fine tune that out and make your presets to rid that in the programs. get a good base to start than tweak to what you like and your eye. Also if your going to play skin tones are the toughest and reason why i have been showing portraits only for this stuff because this is the most critical area we face. Lanscapes some of this won't matter for a hill of beans but fashion, portraits and stuff where critical color counts than you need to be able to use your raw converter for critical work. 15 years in digital and i still learn everyday, so just keep plugging away. Thanks for all the input folks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
psquared Posted March 2, 2007 Share #34  Posted March 2, 2007 Don't have an M8 yet but living vicariously through you guys. Wanted to see what SilkyPix can do. WB on the blouse, exposure up .71, and using their DNG Portrait 1 profile. Looks pretty good to me. Thanks for sharing the raw file, Guy. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/17570-new-raw-converter-test/?do=findComment&comment=187426'>More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted March 2, 2007 Share #35  Posted March 2, 2007 Silky Pix Peter did not know that was supporting the M8 . That looks good my friend.  Just when you think you get it down they throw another Raw program out there . actually Silky has been out for awhile now and certainly worth Trying. the never ending raw converter debate. LOL  Like I said don't marry a program yet  Peter remember the DMR when it came out we had one program to work with. LOL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
psquared Posted March 2, 2007 Share #36  Posted March 2, 2007 Peter remember the DMR when it came out we had one program to work with. LOL  FlexColor  You can't pay me enough to make me use that interface. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted March 2, 2007 Share #37  Posted March 2, 2007 FlexColor  You can't pay me enough to make me use that interface.  LOL!!! This coming from a SilkyPix user? Don't get me wrong--I love SilkyPix, and thanks for doing the convert--it looks like they're getting there too!  But "cloakrooms?" I'd rather face the FlexColor scratchpad any day!! (well, ok, I'm kidding, but I like the DMR colour from FlexColor; too bad I still see bugs in my older copy!) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
innerimager Posted March 2, 2007 Share #38 Â Posted March 2, 2007 Anyone using Bibble? I have it and it's been on the bench. It has some excellent B&W plug ins by Sean Pucket. A free version comes with Bibble, a much more robust "pro" version cost $20. It simulates various fils, with many different development processes, then different papers as well. He also has a most interesting Zone system processor also free and pro version. Anyway, I also looked at straight color DNGs and was very impressed. I'll try and do a comparison against Raw Developer, and ACR and Silky Pix when time permits. best...Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
okram Posted March 2, 2007 Share #39 Â Posted March 2, 2007 Did anybody notice that Lr shows more noise, than the others? I still have my old RSP and now LR and I have noticed considerably more Color noise in LR. Sliders all at zero, of course. This is with my 1Ds, even at 100ASA (the M8 is here monday...) More like the pattern noise in colors. M Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted March 2, 2007 Share #40 Â Posted March 2, 2007 First, no moire in the hair at all (Ian--were you looking at the C1 preview? Can't do that, man, it's not accurate. Â No, this was viewing the converted TIFF at 100% in Photoshop. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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