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An MP plus black Summicron has just been entered on the Ebay Australia auction site (Item 260985819737), starting price $2400. Lens #1468274; body 14(3??). (I may be wrong with one or two numbers, they are not totally clear on my screen). It is described as superb and appears mint. Has 10 days to run. Anyone have any comment? Has this camera been seen before? I may be paranoid, but I have a strange tingle in the logic part of my brain. (Or is that the "Leica Effect"? ;))

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We all started our ebay career with a zero feedback...

But I don't know anybody, who started with an offer MP black(!) in mint condition!

I'd never put my fingers in this offer!

 

not believing in miracles

Thomas

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It's by far too mint, the details of the paint reveal an astonishing cleaness. I add that any serious seller who has to show an original MP, would post a picture of the bottom with the baseplate removed (I mean, the plate with the film loading drawing).

S/N and engravings are "ok"... a very weak proof of authenticy for a surely repainted camera...:(... and the "fine" wax seal is maybe an exaggeration... MP wasn't a standard listed model, and I'm even not sure that they had the seal...

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An MP plus black Summicron has just been entered on the Ebay Australia auction site (Item 260985819737), starting price $2400. Lens #1468274; body 14(3??). (I may be wrong with one or two numbers, they are not totally clear on my screen). It is described as superb and appears mint. Has 10 days to run. Anyone have any comment? Has this camera been seen before? I may be paranoid, but I have a strange tingle in the logic part of my brain. (Or is that the "Leica Effect"? ;))

 

Hi,

 

look @ this:WestLicht Photographica Auction on December 5th 2009 | Shutterbug

Sold for EUR 31800 , Auction 16, 2009 12 16 Lot 130

You have seen this before! The "LeicaEffect" works....

 

Sincerely

 

CJMK

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Hi,

 

look @ this:WestLicht Photographica Auction on December 5th 2009 | Shutterbug

Sold for EUR 31800 , Auction 16, 2009 12 16 Lot 130

You have seen this before! The "LeicaEffect" works....

 

Sincerely

 

CJMK

 

AHA !!! Well done search... :)... downloading pics isn't so difficult for a smart "smoke-seller" :D... does anyone think of informing ebay ? Personally, I'm even not registred into....

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It is the same camera from the WestLicht auciton, although the pictures haven't been copied from that site.

 

Regardless, it is surely an impressive bit of kit.

 

Eyebrows are raised if the zeros start with an user grade servicable Elmar, but ++sigh++ SOMEONE still bid on it.

 

I've got my popcorn...

 

I've also flat out asked the seller "What's the history of this camera? Where did you get it?" I asked through ebay's internal messaging, which the powers that be at ebay can and do look at when there are problems. Privacy? why would you think that there would be ANY privacy?

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A starting bid of $2400 for an original MP and a Summicron lens? Given that Sherry Krauter has an original MP body for sale priced at $28,000US, this is a once in a lifetime "opportunity" - it sounds too good to be true!!

 

We all know what they say about deals that sound too good to be true, right? :rolleyes:

 

What's that smell? Rat, perhaps?

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Hi,

 

look @ this:WestLicht Photographica Auction on December 5th 2009 | Shutterbug

Sold for EUR 31800 , Auction 16, 2009 12 16 Lot 130

You have seen this before! The "LeicaEffect" works....

 

Sincerely

 

CJMK

 

Sorry to be the ugly American

31800 euros = 41845.62 US dollars

 

WOW

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Hi,

 

look @ this:WestLicht Photographica Auction on December 5th 2009 | Shutterbug

Sold for EUR 31800 , Auction 16, 2009 12 16 Lot 130

You have seen this before! The "LeicaEffect" works....

 

Sincerely

 

CJMK

 

Incredible. I googled for "stolen Leica MP serial 143" but nothing came up. It has to be stolen. At least it will be impossible to claim good faith purchase if/when the real owner comes along if it has been bought for much less than the Westlicht price.

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There are several plausible scenarios which could explain why this is a perfectly legitimate sale: seller may have inherited the camera; seller is unaware of its true value having won it in a poker game; seller set up new ebay id specifically for this auction, he knows the camera's value and wants to generate publicity though exactly this sort of discussion; seller 'found' the camera on a bus and is the rightful owner because no one came forward to claim it etc etc. I am not suggesting any of these scenarios are likely, just pointing out that unless someone can prove it is a fraud eBay is unlikely to pull the auction. In any case if it sells for anything like the true value the purchaser could probably afford to fly to Australia to collect in person. I wonder if the collector who bought it from Westlicht reads this forum?

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Check the following:

 

http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-collectors-historica/223081-time-heas-gone-too-far.html

 

and

 

Leica MP Black Paint Camera W/50mm F2 Lens 1958 | eBay

 

and

 

Leica Leicavit MP Black Paint W/50mm f2, Lens 1958 | eBay

 

I reported the last auction as fraud and eBay let it run its full course.... I will report this one as well and am curious what ebay will do this time.

 

Cheers,

 

Jan

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The camera is not stolen, I am quite sure that its rightful owner still has it and has no idea what is being perpetrated on eBay....

 

The seller is a fraud, who doesn't have the camera and he is not in Australia. Last time he listed it on eBay.uk and fortunately, the winning bidder saw through his scheme, gave him a negative feedback and pulled away from the purchase.

 

Best,

 

Jan

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The fact the previous auction by another seller registered in the UK was reported as attempted fraud means eBay may well take this seriously and pull the auction contrary to my earlier comment. I hope it is drawn to their attention.

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The camera is not stolen, I am quite sure that its rightful owner still has it and has no idea what is being perpetrated on eBay....

 

The seller is a fraud, who doesn't have the camera and he is not in Australia. Last time he listed it on eBay.uk and fortunately, the winning bidder saw through his scheme, gave him a negative feedback and pulled away from the purchase.

 

Best,

 

Jan

 

Agree : the event that the seller is 100% legitimate imho has a 0,01% chance (not 0, ok). The pics, indeed, don't seem downloaded directly from Westlicht, but a well-focused guy can do a fine job of "composing" the posted pics in... let's say two/three hours, a job that can be finely repaid...

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The chances are no one is actually going to pay what this thing is worth without having it thoroughly checked out before handing over any cash. It may be worth bidding the Westlicht high bid price and then asking to see pics of it on a copy of today's local paper. If in the million to one lottery of life it turns out to be real you could probably resell to a Chinese collector for the Westlicht final price and pocket the 20 per cent buyer's premium, which would more than cover the cost of a heavily-armed bagman to pick it up in person.

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