marcusperkins Posted February 12, 2012 Share #1 Posted February 12, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hello All, I have a few questions regarding the latest M7. The original M7 had a few 'irritations' some of which have been sorted out (for example viewfinder flare, film canister removal etc). However, there were some complaints about the easily knocked exposure compensation dial, and the blinking dot in the viewfinder when a different film speed (to the DX coding) was selected (very common for black and white users). Have these 'issues' been resolved? (some may not see them as issues). I already use an MP on a regular basis. Also, unrelated to the above, does anybody know if it is possible to get an MP (not M6 etc.) with the larger shutter speed dial and M7 style rewind? Many thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wattsy Posted February 12, 2012 Share #2 Posted February 12, 2012 Also, unrelated to the above, does anybody know if it is possible to get an MP (not M6 etc.) with the larger shutter speed dial and M7 style rewind? You can get the M7 style rewind easily enough by ordering à la carte. I don't think there is an official way of having the larger shutter speed dial on an MP but many of the Leica repair outfits will probably be able to swap various parts (I'm not sure if the larger shutter speed dial requires the 2mm higher top plate of the M6TTL/M7 to allow for the extra gear that enables the dial to rotate in the opposite direction?). Finding an M6 LHSA might prove to be an easier (though not equivalent) option. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcusperkins Posted February 12, 2012 Author Share #3 Posted February 12, 2012 Lovely - thanks Ian. The M6 you referenced is indeed a lovely camera - but difficult to find. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted February 12, 2012 Share #4 Posted February 12, 2012 Surely the M7 shutter speed dial will not work on an MP as it rotates the opposite way to the MP, even if it fitted. All the speeds would be incorrectly shown. I never had a problem with the exposure compensation dial when I had my M7 - it was certainly not "knockable". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcusperkins Posted February 12, 2012 Author Share #5 Posted February 12, 2012 Thanks Andy, Does that mean it's lockable? I noticed a button to the left on the back plate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted February 12, 2012 Share #6 Posted February 12, 2012 I don't have it any longer, but I'nm sure that you had to push the button before moving the compensation ring. The ISO wheel in the middle needs a firm push with the thumb to get it to turn. You won't have a problem with these things moving of their own accord. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted February 12, 2012 Share #7 Posted February 12, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) Surely the M7 shutter speed dial will not work on an MP as it rotates the opposite way to the MP, even if it fitted. All the speeds would be incorrectly That's why I made the point that it might require the 2mm higher top plate of the M6TTL and M7 to allow room for the extra gear (that enables the dial to work in the opposite direction). Given access to the right parts (dot free à la carte M7 top plate, M6TTL shutter speed dial) it is presumably possible to create an 'MP' with a larger shutter speed dial but there comes a point when you have to ask whether it's worth the bother (and expense). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted February 12, 2012 Share #8 Posted February 12, 2012 I wasn't thinking of anyone going down the route of replacing the top plate as well. That way, madness lies I don't know whether the MP shutter adjustment parts inside can just have a few more M7 bits added. Maybe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted February 12, 2012 Share #9 Posted February 12, 2012 I'm sure it is doable - after all the M6TTL is essentially the same as an MP but with a 2mm higher top plate, TTL circuitry and without the 'better' flare-free RF. I imagine that if you are happy to pay for it, Leica will rummage in their parts bins to find whatever is necessary to add a large shutter speed dial to an MP body. On a more philosophical level you'd need to ask whether such a body would still be an MP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted February 12, 2012 Share #10 Posted February 12, 2012 It's only a dial, Leica or an engineer could make a bespoke part for you, for a price of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrism Posted February 12, 2012 Share #11 Posted February 12, 2012 Hello All, I have a few questions regarding the latest M7. The original M7 had a few 'irritations' some of which have been sorted out (for example viewfinder flare, film canister removal etc). However, there were some complaints about the easily knocked exposure compensation dial, and the blinking dot in the viewfinder when a different film speed (to the DX coding) was selected (very common for black and white users). Have these 'issues' been resolved? (some may not see them as issues). I always find the film speed dial rather hard to turn and certainly not 'knockable'. The blinking light is still present if setting any speed other than the DX-coded speed (which I almost always do), and it also shows for non-DX coded film canisters, which I use with my bulk film. I already use an MP on a regular basis. Also, unrelated to the above, does anybody know if it is possible to get an MP (not M6 etc.) with the larger shutter speed dial and M7 style rewind? Many thanks. I'm quite sure you won't do this - there isn't an option for the 'wrong' rewind system under à la carte, and the opposite rotation of the shutter speed dial means it isn't a matter of just putting on the larger shutter dial; you would have to change the gearing under the top plate as well. Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcusperkins Posted February 12, 2012 Author Share #12 Posted February 12, 2012 Thanks for all your responses - very helpful. Chris, do you find the blinking dot annoying, or is it something you've gotten used to? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted February 12, 2012 Share #13 Posted February 12, 2012 there isn't an option for the 'wrong' rewind system under à la carte There is. You can order an MP with the M7 type rewind for an extra 200 quid or so. I considered ordering such a camera myself but decided the cost of an à la carte MP was more than I wanted to spend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted February 12, 2012 Share #14 Posted February 12, 2012 True - I considered it when I bought mine last year, but thought better of it. There is no option for an M7 shutter speed dial, of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrism Posted February 13, 2012 Share #15 Posted February 13, 2012 There is. You can order an MP with the M7 type rewind for an extra 200 quid or so. I considered ordering such a camera myself but decided the cost of an à la carte MP was more than I wanted to spend. Ah, thank you. I was going by my experience in the other direction - I would have put an MP rewind on the ALC M7 if I could. The blinking light is very easy to ignore. I suppose it might madden some users but not me. Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcusperkins Posted February 13, 2012 Author Share #16 Posted February 13, 2012 Andy, your earlier comments suggest you no longer have an M7? Not your cup of tea? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted February 13, 2012 Share #17 Posted February 13, 2012 I no longer have my M7. It was, and still is, an excellent camera, with one of the best auto-exposure meters I have ever used - close to my old OM2 - but I bought a new MP last spring and the M7 was left on the shelf. Since buying the MP, I hadn't used it at all. Not one to leave over a grand sitting on the shelf, I sold it. I had no emotional attachment to it, as I do my first Leica (my M2 which came out of Wetzlar exactly 9 months before I was born, so was being made at the same time I was), nor the MP, which I bought as a 50th Birthday present to myself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcusperkins Posted February 13, 2012 Author Share #18 Posted February 13, 2012 I can understand that. Thanks All for your help. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sterlinstarlin Posted February 14, 2012 Share #19 Posted February 14, 2012 I recently purchased an new old stock .58 M7. I've shot about twenty rolls with it thus far and haven't experienced any issues. I like it just as much as my MP and my M2s. A lot of the complaints people have surrounding the M7 seem exaggerated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted February 14, 2012 Share #20 Posted February 14, 2012 I had no complaints about mine after Leica replaced the DX reader. Interestingly, though, not one of the 100 photographs in the 2012 charity Book were shot with an M7. Mind you, only 13 were shot on film at all... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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