robsteve Posted February 23, 2007 Share #21 Â Posted February 23, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Wilson: Â I was showing my M8 to a friend and after he shot a few pictures, he plugged it into his Mac and then when he opened Iview, the M8 was shown as a device to load pictures from. Â You may have to use another program to access the M8. It does not appear as a drive, even on windows machines. It may be that PSE is not set up to use the devices like the M8 shows up as. Did you try using the import function of PSE? Elements may not be capable of this type of camera interface and that is why Leica packages Capture One LE with the M8. Â I use a little USB2 card reader the size of a thumb drive. It is fast and was pretty cheap at about $20. I just got it at a local office supply store. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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james_h Posted February 23, 2007 Share #22  Posted February 23, 2007 Jim, Sorry but disagree with you there. If you are continuously moving, connecting and disconnecting something, the risk of getting a bad connection must eventually rise. In addition every time you take the card out, a tiny amount of dust is bound to get into the card slot. I blow mine out every time (well every time I remember) with a Giotto Rocket. If over the life of the camera, you are doing this hundreds of times to download DNG files, it will all accumulate and may well cause card reading problems or depending where the dust ends up, other mechanical and/or electrical problems.  Wilson Never had a problem with my DMR... so far.. I now ensure I configure my computers with card slots in them so connecting readers is not an issue.  Regards Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammam Posted February 23, 2007 Share #23  Posted February 23, 2007 Wilson, this isn't as harsh as it seems, but your whole attitude seems to be that you WANT to have problems. I'm not into paranormal. but maybe it's putting a jinx on your things  Why don't you try to be a little more positive and give life a chance? Like, did you install the download program that comes with the M8? Not that I'm for the direct from camera download, but you seem to prefer that. With very little valid reasons, BTW. Like others, I have never done it, and I have always used card readers. And I've been using digital since last century. What do you mean «if you're on the other side of the world»? You will need a computer anyway, or at least a digital wallet. What difference does it make to carry a card reader along? Okay, you did buy one now, but you bought the cheapest you could find on the Internet. That's what I mean. It looks like you're looking for trouble. Don't be surprised if you have problems with THAT as well.  Dust in the card slot in the camera? You must be kidding. Didn't you read the just published story of the guy who washed his card in his jeans pocket, then dried it as well, and the card came out intact, with all the photos? Or this tragic one of the camera being recovered on a beach after the 2004 tsunami had recessed, and all the photos in the camera were intact, including the last ones this doomed Canadian couple had taken, which were of the gigantic wave coming right at them?  You know when you will give up the direct from camera download? When you accidentally catch on the cable during the process, and your camera falls to the floor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanJW Posted February 23, 2007 Share #24 Â Posted February 23, 2007 I have used ACR 3.6, 3.7 --- and 4.0 (in the beta of CS3) to processs M8 DNG files with no issues. And since my notebook computer has Adobe Elements, I have also processed them in Elements 4.0 and 5.0. (all Windows). Â As for using a card reader, my desktops have built in card readers. Just pop in the card and look at the files in Elements or in Bridge. Â Charging directly from the camera by the ways seems an especially bad idea as it would mean the camera was out of commission for the hours it takes to charge. Better to have an external charger and more than one battery. Â Wilson, I hope you can calm down enough to go out and shoot some pictures. Using a new camera sometimes means we have to make adjustments. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwilliamsphotography Posted February 23, 2007 Share #25  Posted February 23, 2007 So that is yet another piece of junk I have to carry around with me and then get the SD card out of the camera every time I want to transfer DNG files, then hook up the card reader, transfer the files and finally put the card back in the camera. What "genius" came up with that idea? I do hope you are wrong otherwise that is about the most stupid and incompetent bit of design I have come across, since driving a Trabant a few years ago. I cannot understand why they have set the camera up so that the card cannot be "seen" as an external drive, as they have on every other digital camera they make (don't know about the DMR). Does this problem only arise on Mac computers or do Windows users also suffer with this nonsense? If people are having to take the cards continuously in and out of their cameras, I am not surprised they are having "card problems".  Wilson  Well, maybe the geniuses were thinking of those who shoot more than you do.  Like a wedding shooter or a journalist. Imagine tying up your camera in the middle of a wedding to down-load. Or if you shot a bunch of cards, and then use the snail-slow camera transfer to do them one at a time ... because you only have one camera. Still have to take them in and out of the camera. If anything is going to get screwed up, I'd rather it happen to an inexpensive card reader rather than the camera.  What a lot of folks don't realize is that you can hook up multiple card readers and download multiple cards at once to one desktop file. Having more than one card and more than one reader is pretty inexpensive these days. I also don't think any reported card problems are due to taking them in and out of anything. I think it is more about compatibility, which is a firmware issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rceres Posted February 23, 2007 Share #26 Â Posted February 23, 2007 You know when you will give up the direct from camera download? When you accidentally catch on the cable during the process, and your camera falls to the floor. and What if they decided the Earth is not a planet anymore either? Â This is my favorite forum to lurk on. Threads like this are hilarious. Â I actually did kick my USB cable while computer and 5D were connected. Camera went flying from the table, but though some kind of momentary superhuman transformation I was able to catch it befor it smashed to pieces. My back was then sore for two days. When I get my M8 I'll use the card reader for both cameras. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted February 23, 2007 Share #27 Â Posted February 23, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Wilson I don't want to add fuel to the fire or tell you what to do but this comes from someone that does know about this issue with many systems for a long time. Please don't use your camera to download for many reasons. One is why put your 5k camera through more wear and tear on th electronics than necassary and this is with every DSLR camera on the planet. At some point I can almost guarntee that USB port will give out, I have lost 4 firewire connections on several bodies of Canons shooting tethered, it is a nightmare. The very large reason is the card should be formated in camera after each use , reason being is it can get fragmented from not formatting it and i again can almost guarnteee you WILL have card problems at some point. This is your film and not a area you want to mess around with and also buying the cheapest card around is maybe not such a bright idea either. This is were the heart is and just like a real heart your just asking for heart failure at some point with not formatting the card. Cards readers are thumbnail size so carrying it around maybe a hassle but well worth the effort. Honestly not trying to be hard core hear and hope it does not sound like that but I have been a Pro for many years and 15 or more have been digital and owning every system out there, I have seen more issues with this area than i want to shake a stick at. This is NOT just leica this is everyone too, so please take the advice given in the spirit it is given and that is too help and quide you in the right direction. Please i am not trying to be a jerk here but just trying to help. Honestly this is one of those most do issues that you really don't want to play around with. Again sorry if this sounded a little forcefull not my intention but just damn good advice Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted February 23, 2007 Author Share #28  Posted February 23, 2007 Wilson, this isn't as harsh as it seems, but your whole attitude seems to be that you WANT to have problems. I'm not into paranormal. but maybe it's putting a jinx on your things  Why don't you try to be a little more positive and give life a chance? Like, did you install the download program that comes with the M8? Not that I'm for the direct from camera download, but you seem to prefer that. With very little valid reasons, BTW. Like others, I have never done it, and I have always used card readers. And I've been using digital since last century. What do you mean «if you're on the other side of the world»? You will need a computer anyway, or at least a digital wallet. What difference does it make to carry a card reader along? Okay, you did buy one now, but you bought the cheapest you could find on the Internet. That's what I mean. It looks like you're looking for trouble. Don't be surprised if you have problems with THAT as well.  Dust in the card slot in the camera? You must be kidding. Didn't you read the just published story of the guy who washed his card in his jeans pocket, then dried it as well, and the card came out intact, with all the photos? Or this tragic one of the camera being recovered on a beach after the 2004 tsunami had recessed, and all the photos in the camera were intact, including the last ones this doomed Canadian couple had taken, which were of the gigantic wave coming right at them?  You know when you will give up the direct from camera download? When you accidentally catch on the cable during the process, and your camera falls to the floor.  Olivier,  I am really not looking for problems. My last two digital cameras have worked flawlessly. I expected to have difficulties with a Canon Scuba camera, especially as I was using it right at its depth limit - did I - no, it worked 100% as advertised and the results were better than I expected. I have had 5 Leica digitals (Digilux, Digilux 4.3, Digilux 1, 2 and now the M8) and had problems with four of them - not a good record. The family has had had three Sony's (no problems), three Kyoceras (no problems) two Contaxes (one died #2 DOA - no wonder they gave up) two Canons (no problems) one Panasonic (one problem) and one Minolta (no problem until my son dropped it).  I have been using digitals since 1998 and have yet to pull one onto the floor. I would love to get out and use the M8 a bit more if it would ever stop raining here. I did not buy the cheapest card reader I could find. Believe it or not, that was one of the more expensive ones for SD only on eBay. I don't want a reader that reads 54 different cards and is the size of a bus. I l looked for a Sandisk or Lexar SD reader but could not find a new one. If the principle works satisfactorily, I may get a better one later. I do have an expensive Macally USB hub and reader but that is not portable as it needs mains power.  I was not saying that the problem lay in the SD card, as I know how robust they are but more likely in the camera, if you keep getting dust in the SD slot. I know they are a lot better than CF cards in this respect, which frequently have contact problems. I would not want to have in Camera charging as the main method but as an option, like it is on my Sony R1. They supply you with an in camera charger and offer an out of camera as an option. This gives you the best of both worlds. We have seen from many posts that the M8 seems fragile and anything I can do to minimise that risk when in difficult environments seems sensible.  The only Mac programs supplied are Leica Digital Capture for direct control of the camera from a computer - that works fine but is not a downloader and Capture One, which cannot find the M8 when directly connected. I am not sure if there is something else supplied for Windows.  Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_l Posted February 23, 2007 Share #29 Â Posted February 23, 2007 I used to use the Breezebrowser downloader, it was very good, then I switched to Mac....I just found ImageIngester, it is a good one for downloading to mac, allows a lot of configuration of download. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael_b_elmer Posted February 23, 2007 Share #30 Â Posted February 23, 2007 Camera Raw 3.7 handles M8 files beautifully, and the new PSE 3.5 is very good. I have not yet received the new Adobe Lightroom, but the Beta version worked well also. Â There is a good reason why the M8 allows you to cange memory cards - just like you were used to changing films in the old days! In this way you will also find it natural to reformat the SD-card, every time you reinsert it in the M8 after having read its files in a card reader. Â Find a card reader that is installable in a PCMCIA slot, if you have that. If not, then get a card reader that supports USB 2.0. You may be lucky to already have a card reader installed in your flat panel display (it seems to have become standard with Dell at least on their bigger flat panels like the 24" and 30 " displays). Â Remember: :D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
james_h Posted February 23, 2007 Share #31  Posted February 23, 2007 Hi Guy,  Good advice indeed !  BTW I visited your site yesterday and it's clear to see why anyone who mentions lighting ALWAYS says 'speak to Guy'.  Oh and when I clicked on the site I had my voulme on full.... you know the rest...  I started a thread on Barnacks bar which might be relevant to anyone having problems on PC's http://www.leica-camera-user.com/barnacks-bar/17242-windows-newsletter-teacher-who-needs-some.html  regards Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted February 23, 2007 Author Share #32 Â Posted February 23, 2007 I used to use the Breezebrowser downloader, it was very good, then I switched to Mac....I just found ImageIngester, it is a good one for downloading to mac, allows a lot of configuration of download. Â Thanks for suggestion but sadly Imageingester still cannot find the M8. The only program that seems to be capable of this is Image Capture for JPEG's only. I think I will have to give up and use a reader from now on. Â Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted February 23, 2007 Share #33  Posted February 23, 2007 Thanks James it needs a serious update for sure, but your comments are very appreciated.   For card readers i use this one Lexar Quatro Drive SD/MMC/MS/XD Reader  and Sandisk MobileMate SD+ 5-in-1 Card Reader  They both work fine on the new MacPro and Macprobook  I also have a Sandisk Micromate that came with a SDHC card that I can't use right now but the reader works and it IS small Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted February 23, 2007 Share #34  Posted February 23, 2007 Excuse me but just what does that other thread have to do with anything in this thread? The OP is on a Mac, NOT a PC. He is having problems getting the images off the memory card while it is inserted in the M8, NOT going to web pages that have Pop Ups and I don't think he is a teacher, but that is still unknown.   Hi Guy, Good advice indeed !  BTW I visited your site yesterday and it's clear to see why anyone who mentions lighting ALWAYS says 'speak to Guy'.  Oh and when I clicked on the site I had my voulme on full.... you know the rest...  I started a thread on Barnacks bar which might be relevant to anyone having problems on PC's http://www.leica-camera-user.com/barnacks-bar/17242-windows-newsletter-teacher-who-needs-some.html  regards Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
james_h Posted February 23, 2007 Share #35 Â Posted February 23, 2007 Excuse me but just what does that other thread have to do with anything in this thread?The OP is on a Mac, NOT a PC. He is having problems getting the images off the memory card while it is inserted in the M8, NOT going to web pages that have Pop Ups and I don't think he is a teacher, but that is still unknown. I realise that Ed. Â I had already offered some advice on possible solutions and the newsletter was offered as a good source of advice for anyone who uses computers. Not everyone who refers to this thread may use a Mac..? Â The thread was posted in Barnacks bar which seemed an appropiate place for it and I wouldn't mistake a successfully retired venture capitalist for a teacher. Â Â Â Â Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandymc Posted February 23, 2007 Share #36  Posted February 23, 2007 My Lightroom 1.0, which as far as I am aware uses the latest ACR, reads M8 DNGs no problem  Sandy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted February 23, 2007 Author Share #37  Posted February 23, 2007 Ed,  No I am not a teacher but a retired venture capitalist. I did however originally train as a scientist and I built my first computer in 1962 - it played noughts and crosses (tic-tac-toe) and always won or drew.  One of those nice Sandisk 5 in 1 readers came onto eBay just after I had bought the "No-Name" one - blast!. Still at £3-50 if it is no good, I will just bin it and get a Sandisk from MyMemory, who are selling them at about half price.  Sandy,  Does Lightroom read direct from the M8 or a disk reader. I am not having any problems reading DNG's from a disk reader or hard disc using either C1 or Lightzone.  Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ustein Posted February 23, 2007 Share #38  Posted February 23, 2007 >I must admit I have not tried it as Adobe does not list the M8 as a supported camera  M8 is DNG and does not need an extra mention.  Uwe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted February 23, 2007 Share #39 Â Posted February 23, 2007 Ah, but not all DNGs are created equal Uwe :-( Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandymc Posted February 23, 2007 Share #40  Posted February 23, 2007 Wilson,  Don't, I'm afraid, know whether Lightroom can read direct - I never use it in that mode. All I can tell you is that it can decode the M8 DNG file  Regards,  Sandy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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