Doc Henry Posted December 28, 2011 Share #1  Posted December 28, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) As you know, Nikonscan are no longer produced and second hand scan. are selling more expensive than new I would like to know what you think about this scanner Reflecta or Pacific ? https://reflecta.de/en/products/detail/~id.425/reflecta-MidformatScan-MF5000--available-as-from-KW-40.html Pacific Image Electronics Have you seen or have you done comparative tests with an Epson or Nikonscanner or another brand? the images I see in this link seem good : Photography Techniques and Equipment discussion: Venice Island Flickr: Pacific Image PrimeFilm 120 If you have pictures made ​​with crops thank you for showing them here Thank you in advance  Best Henry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted December 28, 2011 Posted December 28, 2011 Hi Doc Henry, Take a look here Reflecta MF5000 : your opinion and have you tested??. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
alw Posted December 28, 2011 Share #2  Posted December 28, 2011 Check out these guys:  Detailed test reports and experience reports about film scanners slide scanners: market overview, application in practice  I´m probably getting a Reflecta Proscan 7200. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Henry Posted December 28, 2011 Author Share #3  Posted December 28, 2011 Check out these guys:Detailed test reports and experience reports about film scanners slide scanners: market overview, application in practice I´m probably getting a Reflecta Proscan 7200.  Thank you anyway for the link but it is a "Reflecta digitdia 5000" is not the MF5000 Henry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticman Posted December 28, 2011 Share #4  Posted December 28, 2011 As you know, Nikonscan are no longer produced and second hand scan. are selling more expensive than new I would like to know what you think about this scanner Reflecta or Pacific ? https://reflecta.de/en/products/detail/~id.425/reflecta-MidformatScan-MF5000--available-as-from-KW-40.html Pacific Image Electronics Have you seen or have you done comparative tests with an Epson or Nikonscanner or another brand? the images I see in this link seem good : Photography Techniques and Equipment discussion: Venice Island Flickr: Pacific Image PrimeFilm 120 If you have pictures made ​​with crops thank you for showing them here Thank you in advance  Best Henry  Henry - the Reflecta/Pacific Image scanners were recently mentioned a couple of times in the comments following a post over on TheOnlinePhotographer (here - 2 pages of comments) - in which it was said (amongst other things) "That Reflecta scanners looks just like the Pacific Image PrimeFilm 120 on the B&H site, that has terrible reviews for reliability."  I have no idea about the reliability of that comment, and I haven't seen any of the reviews alluded to - but possibly you should do some extensive research before buying? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Henry Posted December 28, 2011 Author Share #5 Â Posted December 28, 2011 Thanks Plastic for your advice and for the link according to Volker Gilbert in this link : Reflecta MF5000 : un nouveau scanner film pour moyens formats - Articles et dossiers - QuestionsPhoto, le magazine web des techniques photo it is above the Epson V750 although only 3200 dpi and 4.6 DMax Unfortunately, the link is in French but you can look at the photos I am planning a purchase of scanner and for this reason I inquire before ..... Best Henry I add another link http://photo.net/digital-darkroom-forum/00ZL0K Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
too old to care Posted December 28, 2011 Share #6  Posted December 28, 2011 Thanks Henry for posting this thread. Now all I have to do is justify another "couple of thousand dollar purchase" to satisfy my growing 6x6 love……..Wayne Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Henry Posted December 29, 2011 Author Share #7 Â Posted December 29, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Wayne thank you , you are welcome ... I realize that I made a small mistake in the DMax of Reflecta is rated higher than 3.6 If we compare the DMax (of Nikon , Epson and Reflecta scan.) , which is one of the interesting parameters of a scanner, the Epson has 4, the Nikonscan 4.2 and the Reflecta more than 3.6 (according to notice of scanners ) From what I read, the DMax is limited by the digital / analog converter reading the analog outputs of the CCD chip which is around 4.8 at 16 bits (and 4,2 at 14 bits) one last thing: why Kodachrome is so beautiful and contrasting in color ? because in the red for example the density goes beyond 3.7 to 3.8 Fabulous Kodachrome ! .... and Ekta 100 goes to 3,4 Best Henry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Henry Posted December 29, 2011 Author Share #8  Posted December 29, 2011 Check out these guys: Detailed test reports and experience reports about film scanners slide scanners: market overview, application in practice  I´m probably getting a Reflecta Proscan 7200. Alw,  I found the scanner test here (translated from German) : Google Traduction more images from this scanner : (click on left column to PrimeFilm 120 = ReflectaMF5000 to see images) 　　　　d　i　v　e　d　e　e　p:___PrimeFilm 120  Best Henry  PS: according to "Luminous landscape"the Imacon Flextight Precision II has DMax at 4,1 and Fuji Velvia slide has a density of 4 (more than Kodachrome ?) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alw Posted December 29, 2011 Share #9  Posted December 29, 2011 LOL, I only just went for digital (M8.2), and I´m now looking for a scanner! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Henry Posted December 29, 2011 Author Share #10  Posted December 29, 2011 LOL, I only just went for digital (M8.2), and I´m now looking for a scanner! ....me too, Alw, I have a M9 and M8 and recently I took three cameras with me (it's heavy to travel ) but I'm not disappointed because I think the film is not dead for this reason, the scanner still has a future in my opinion ! please look at this thread : http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/people/212636-come-come-buy-fresh-fish.html Best Henry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest srheker Posted December 29, 2011 Share #11  Posted December 29, 2011 Alw, I found the scanner test here (translated from German) : Google Traduction  Some remarks:  1. What google does not translate is that this site is run by the owner of a shop that sells these (and other) scanners.  2. The problem today seems to me that there are people building/marketing film scanners who do not understand analogue photography. Otherwise it's hard to explain how someone can come up with a medium format scanner that can't handle strips of 3 6x6 negatives, but only strips of 2 6x6 negatives.  If they would make these scanners a little more expensive they should be able to make them al lot more better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alw Posted December 29, 2011 Share #12  Posted December 29, 2011 Thanks a lot Doc...I´m now looking for airline tickets as well... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Henry Posted December 29, 2011 Author Share #13  Posted December 29, 2011 Some remarks: 1. What google does not translate is that this site is run by the owner of a shop that sells these (and other) scanners.  2. The problem today seems to me that there are people building/marketing film scanners who do not understand analogue photography. Otherwise it's hard to explain how someone can come up with a medium format scanner that can't handle strips of 3 6x6 negatives, but only strips of 2 6x6 negatives.  If they would make these scanners a little more expensive they should be able to make them al lot more better. Srheker, is evident and I agree with you another test here , in french sorry ....but look at the pictures (click on the photo to enlarge and click again on the image so that it returns to normal )! (no conflict of interests) Reflecta MF5000 : un nouveau scanner film pour moyens formats - Articles et dossiers - QuestionsPhoto, le magazine web des techniques photo  Henry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StS Posted December 29, 2011 Share #14 Â Posted December 29, 2011 I guess this has geometrical reasons, they write the scanner travels 118mm, to allow 6x12 negatives, for example. To allow feeding from the side, as the Plustek does, would mean either a smaller maximum scan travel or a larger scanner unit. Â The last MF enlarger, I had access to, allowed only two 6x6 frames due to the design of it's film feeder. So one needs double the amount of negative sleeves. Â I'm kind of tempted to start MF again. But then, I already have too much cameras and not enough time... Â Stefan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Henry Posted December 29, 2011 Author Share #15  Posted December 29, 2011 Stefan, I now no longer hesitate to go out with all my 3 SLR film cameras and 2 digital cameras all Leica ... Have you tried the new Kodak Portra 160 and 400 ? Try these films, Stefan  Best Henry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest srheker Posted December 29, 2011 Share #16  Posted December 29, 2011 I guess this has geometrical reasons, they write the scanner travels 118mm, to allow 6x12 negatives, for example. To allow feeding from the side, as the Plustek does, would mean either a smaller maximum scan travel or a larger scanner unit. The last MF enlarger, I had access to, allowed only two 6x6 frames due to the design of it's film feeder. So one needs double the amount of negative sleeves.  From my understanding the problem with the MF5000 is not the scanner itself, but the desohn of the film holder.  Many Scanners aren't able to scann all the frames of the strip in the film holder at once.  But all the good scanners have film holders that can take the standard length film strip (6 frames for 135 and 3 6x6 frames for 120) and they don't force you to recut your films! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Henry Posted December 29, 2011 Author Share #17  Posted December 29, 2011 Srheker, you mean this problem ? (translate page 3)  Reflecta MF5000 : un nouveau scanner film pour moyens formats - Articles et dossiers - QuestionsPhoto, le magazine web des techniques photo  "The film holder 120 furiously reminds those of Minolta and Nikon scanners, although not reaching the quality of their achievement. As a closure, the film holder of the MF5000 has two slides, each with a rubber coating to avoid scratching the film surface, and a separate lock. The flatness of the film 120 is more difficult to obtain, one of the slides moves perpendicular to stretch and increase the flatness of the film. With this device, it is possible to obtain a satisfactory sharpness across the image, but the film holders with anti-Newton glass in Nikon and Minolta were ultimately at least as effective in combating an imperfect sharpness across the image .  The film holder 120 is limited to 6 × 12 cm format, the user is forced to cut its film strips.  Unfortunately, the film holder of the MF5000 only covers the surface of a negative 6 × 12 cm: it is possible to insert two negatives or slides unframed format 4.5 or 6 × 6 × 6 cm, it does larger sizes after having cut the strips of film, frame advance. This is impractical and even annoying when classifies its negative sheets and workbooks type Panodia: once cut and digitized, the originals are more prone to scratches, caused by several pieces of film that collide in a pouch. However, the film holder is the only lot to enjoy a display of all the scan window, to refine the framework and launch the successive treatment of 2 photos (format only 4.5 × 6 × 6 or 6 cm)."  and a new link (translate) http://translate.google.fr/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.chassimages.com%2Fforum%2Findex.php%3Ftopic%3D142086.0&act=url and the original in french for pictures in full size http://www.chassimages.com/forum/index.php?topic=142086.0 Henry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest srheker Posted December 29, 2011 Share #18  Posted December 29, 2011 Srheker, you mean this problem ? The film holder 120 is limited to 6 × 12 cm format, the user is forced to cut its film strips.  Yes! The film holders for the Nikon 9000 have (as far as I know) a limited area where the scanner is able to scan, but the folder can take a whole strip of 3 frames. To scan the second half you just have to reposition the film in the holder.  The Reflecta holder seems to have a massive design flaw, as it seems you have to cut the film to fit it in the holder.  That older and cheaper Epson flatbedscanners offer better image quality without cutting your precious negatives makes the MF 5000 rather useless.  Sascha Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StS Posted December 29, 2011 Share #19 Â Posted December 29, 2011 Thank you, when it comes to colour, I'm almost exclusively on a diet of Portra 400 and 800 now. Strictly speaking, the quality I get from these films on 35mm is higher than my demands and I haven't even tried the Portra 160 yet. Â I could push out the MF or even LF ideas to my retirement, but then, my mother says, she doesn't know, where she took the time to go to work, before she retired.... Â Stefan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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