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Product Watch: EOS-1D Mark III dSLR

Riley

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LJL

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And while the noise is quite low for 3200 ISO, where's detail ?!? :rolleyes:

 

I should probably look more at data and stuff before kicking in my thoughts here, but that has not stopped me before :o

 

I agree that the image looks a bit soft. My first reaction was that the NR was a bit aggressive. Then I looked at the catchlights in the models' eyes, and am starting to think that like all cameras that have AA filters, this shots needs a bit of sharpening. (All of my 1DMkII files need a lot of sharpening to come up, but they do.) It also looks like there may actually be a bit of motion blur that is keeping things from being sharp sharp, and that would happen if the shutter speed was set pretty low. It is barely detectable, but I think it is there.

 

As for how things are handled at ISO 3200.....well, find any other camera that can do a job as good as this. Sorry, but I think we have some outlandish expectations at times....thinking that ISO 3200 images are going to look the same as ISO 200 images. Just ain't gonna happen folks. You have to lose something in the process, be it DR, edge detail, etc. For the most part, this JPEG is not shining example of performance, but as I mentioned before, Canon had done some really lousy postings in the past. What is good about this image is how the noise is very low in the shadow areas at the window. Still an ugly looking pattern, but far better than anything else trying to capture some details in the toughest places to find them.

 

Just my opinions here. On balance, it is not bad, considering they reduced the size of the pixels and increased the ISO performance. That is going in opposite directions at the same time, and not easy to accomplish. Will this take "winner" shots? Maybe, maybe not, but at least you may have a chance to get a usable shot where you might not have before.

 

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Here is a link to an ISO 3200 shot straight from the camera:

http://www.cheapfilehost.com/files/727cce5e74ce2fa55584f94f448d3001/1D_16-35_1.jpg

 

Clean, but nothing is sharp.

 

On the other hand, if I am reading the EXIF correctly, it might be an in-camera JPG, so all bets are off, really. They should post some raws.

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Clean, but nothing is sharp.

 

On the other hand, if I am reading the EXIF correctly, it might be an in-camera JPG, so all bets are off, really. They should post some raws.

 

yeah, it looks so bad i posted it on a canon forum

that shut em up pretty quick lol

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As for how things are handled at ISO 3200.....well, find any other camera that can do a job as good as this. Sorry, but I think we have some outlandish expectations at times....thinking that ISO 3200 images are going to look the same as ISO 200 images. Just ain't gonna happen folks. You have to lose something in the process, be it DR, edge detail, etc. For the most part, this JPEG is not shining example of performance, but as I mentioned before, Canon had done some really lousy postings in the past. What is good about this image is how the noise is very low in the shadow areas at the window. Still an ugly looking pattern, but far better than anything else trying to capture some details in the toughest places to find them.

 

I agree, noise is stunningly low for ISO 3200, I also run the image through NoiseNinja with low settings (mostly to eliminate the trace of chroma noise) and the resulting file is very very clean.

 

I have to say though that I don't get all this obsession with noise (I'm not referring to you LJ :) , but to many comments I read on the net).

It's as if we can't shoot if there's even a tiny bit trace of grain.

Or if clean 3200 ISO is the only feature we need in a camera, despite the resulting lack of detail and DR.

I'm tired of this "look how clean is that image!" and when you look at it there's no detail, texture, color, DR...

If the 1DIII had crisp details at any other ISOs, ok, I'd buy a clean not-so crisp 3200 ISO setting, but the other image shot at 400 ISO shows quite low sharpness too:

http://www.cheapfilehost.com/files/add00268ae677a9468b74acc0a2f78bd/1D_16-35_2.jpg

 

And the samples by Canon are also unimpressive, particularly the landscape and wedding shots. Even a good amount of USM doesn't give 'em half the sharpness I got from my 1Ds (old 11 Mp one), let alone my DMR and M8.

 

I don't want to bash the camera, as I'm sure it's a very fine tool, it's only that the samples posted are VERY poor and I don't get why so many are so blind to consider them quite good, only because they are soooo clean! :)

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I think that this is pretty good for ISO3200. Sure the shot is not as sharp as it could be, but that could be the lens and not the camera at fault - as well as JPG vs RAW.

 

In addition, the noise is almost always worse when viewed at 100% on the screen. When printed out (OK not huge prints but reasonable size prints) most of the noise won't even be visible.... I have some great prints from the 1Ds2 @ ISO 3200, and only people who are really looking for the noise ever saw it. The people for whom the shots were actually taken - and sold to - love them.

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the perfect camera for paparazzi.... you can shoot a cinema star at 10fps while running away from his/her bodyguards.

 

I'll start going to the gym on monday... my muscles are not ready yet for such a heavy gun :p

 

X 1.33, nice figure now let's see what the Canonists laughing at the M8 1.3 will say... LOL

 

The live preview picture is very usefull a pity the screen does not rotate it would be handy when shouting above a crowd of photographers or curious people.

 

Dust cleaner.... strange feature, Canon always said they had no dust problems..... LOL

 

Anyway, congratulation to Canon that surely comes up with a brilliant tool for the ones who need it.

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well from the boasts i keep hearing about clean files

im not impressed

if this where a iso1600 file i would think, well hey thats not bad

that its 1 stop above that, in the camera with 'the' reputation well

ho hum

 

considering speed light flash was used

the internal processing didnt handle the noise in the window at right as well as all that

it does clean up with NR tho

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The subject, your eye, the subject, your eye, the subject... (it is a mirror, after all)

Rest assured that it’s the subject (and nothing else) you see – the EOS-1 D Mark III I tried this with was a pre-production unit, of course, but 10 fps shooting worked surprisingly well.

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mmm... Eric was slightly harsh... :);)

 

- 10 fps is not a "sine qua non" feature, but it's nice to have for those who need it.

- 1DIII is 225g lighter than the previous 1DII, so now it's like the DMR (= definitely lighter than the 1D/1Ds).

- 1D cameras have always been 1.3x (1.28x to be exact).

- Live preview is nice, especially for shots on tripod with the 5x magnification. Leica-R lenses via adapter would benefit a lot from this feature.

- Dust cleaning worked well on the 400D, although it's not the end solution to cleaning... I prefer the easy access to the sensor on the DMR.

 

All these features are really nice IMO, but they are meaningless without adequate image quality, which is probably the most important feature... let's see when better samples will be available.

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