zeleny Posted November 24, 2011 Share #1 Posted November 24, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) SpaceCam makes a Leica-approved lens mount for Red Epic and Scarlet that takes Leica M series lenses. Red has its own version in the works. Pending its release, I have a Scarlet X on order to tide me over with a Canon mount. Are there any other DSMC camera aficionados hereabouts? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted November 24, 2011 Posted November 24, 2011 Hi zeleny, Take a look here Leica M Lenses + Red Scarlet X. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
*j-w-m* Posted November 25, 2011 Share #2 Posted November 25, 2011 I work in postproduction and visual effects and have worked a good bit with footage from Red cameras. I decided to purchase a Sony F3 for better low light performance as well as the fact that I don't need 4K footage or the time intensive post workflow required by Redcode footage. I have also experimented with M lenses for digital cinema but found them to be too small (hard to reach controls when shooting) and without a great solution available for follow focus. Instead, I put together a set of Leica R lenses with focus gears to use on the F3. As of now I have 15/19/24/35/50/80/100 in primes (f 1.4 on the 35/50/80 and 2.8 on the others) as well as a 70-180 2.8 zoom. These lenses are catching on with digital cinema DPs and unlike M lenses, they are available even though they're no longer made. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
radfilm Posted November 25, 2011 Share #3 Posted November 25, 2011 I have purchased a RED Scarlet. I would love to get an M mount. I am already buying a PL and Canon mount As I need these the most for what I do but really would love to shoot with my Leica lenses Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted November 27, 2011 Share #4 Posted November 27, 2011 R3D files are no more post intensive than F3 footage if you have the right tools...but as you suggested R lenses are a better choice. I also have a set for our Epics. There are multiple options for the R lenses, you can adapt them to Canon using leitax mounts and use Reds new Canon mount. Or for only $450 Cinemods makes a R Mount: OCT-19, OCT19, Red Epic, Scarlet, Leica, Nikon, Lens mount, PL, Canon EF EOS 5D, 7D adapter, adaptor, mount - Cine Camera Mods - 35mm Lomo anamorphic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
*j-w-m* Posted November 27, 2011 Share #5 Posted November 27, 2011 By "right tool" are you referring to the Red Rocket card? I have lots of tools at my disposal (Premiere, FCP, Resolve, RedCine) and none of them make Red footage less post intensive than F3 footage. The RR card is something I don't own, but my understanding of it is that it accelerates the transcode process, it doesn't eliminate it. Correct? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted November 27, 2011 Share #6 Posted November 27, 2011 By "right tool" are you referring to the Red Rocket card? I have lots of tools at my disposal (Premiere, FCP, Resolve, RedCine) and none of them make Red footage less post intensive than F3 footage. The RR card is something I don't own, but my understanding of it is that it accelerates the transcode process, it doesn't eliminate it. Correct? This is the wrong forum for this discussion, but the Red Rocket transcodes in faster than real time. If you work with .r3d professionally this is part of your toolkit. Other real editing tools like Smoke, Flame, Lustre, Clipster all work with .r3d files directly w/o transcoding first. Premiere has come a long way, but is still not considered a true professional tool in the since that it won't be found in post houses as the primary tool. Working with .r3d has huge advantages over others because you are working with raw data. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
*j-w-m* Posted November 27, 2011 Share #7 Posted November 27, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) If you work with .r3d professionally this is part of your toolkit. How about this instead "If you work with .r3d frequently this is helpful to have in your toolkit." That way it won't sound like you're trying to judge anyone's professionalism based on whether they are willing to spend $5k on a proprietary processing card. Or a $15,000+ editing system (Smoke, which I ran for several years when it was $300,000 running on SGI). Or other quite expensive solutions to enable a reasonably fast workflow with footage from a $10,000 camera (Scarlet). It will be interesting to see how many Scarlet purchasers spring for a Red Rocket to go with it. Nothing at all wrong with the Red workflow for certain projects, but there are plenty of people working professionally with Red at a volume that does not justify those additional expenditures. I like working with Red footage when my clients choose it, it's just that most of the time if they have a decent budget for camera they choose Arri Alexa. The F3 is the "better than 5D without the cost of Red Epic or Alexa" option and Leica Rs are a good fit for that type of project. But you're right, this is getting far afield from the original poster's question, unless he's still researching the Scarlet purchase itself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastgreenlander Posted November 27, 2011 Share #8 Posted November 27, 2011 I wonder how the Scarlet or FS100/F3 looks with the 0.95 noctilux. Even the smaller than fullframe super35mm, it must look amazing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
*j-w-m* Posted November 27, 2011 Share #9 Posted November 27, 2011 I'm sure it will look amazing. And will add a unique look when the narrow depth of field is appropriate. And it will be amazingly difficult to follow focus as well! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezc203 Posted November 28, 2011 Share #10 Posted November 28, 2011 Click-stop aperture settings must be a pain? And yea, pulling focus would be a bitch. What I'm really curious about is that with the Summilux-C line available why would someone want to use the R or M line? If nothing else, just from a practicality standpoint. I mean, size is mute on a Scarlet system with the camera/rig size being fairly large already. So are people THAT committed to the rendering of these old lenses? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
*j-w-m* Posted November 28, 2011 Share #11 Posted November 28, 2011 Summilux-c prices are stratospheric - $178,000 for a set. Most people will rent those for a specific job but few will own them. My set of Rs including conversion for cinema (de-clicked, focus gear, matched 80mm fronts) totaled less than $20k. This camera setup is not for feature films, it's for commercial and documentary use so the Summilux-c series is overkill. With cameras like the Scarlet and F3, many owners will use collections of Nikon and Zeiss still lenses migrated from their DSLR camera. Compared to those two brands, the Rs are built like tanks which helps them withstand the pressures of focus gears clamping on the lens barrel, plus they rotate the same direction for focusing as a cinema lens, while Nikon rotates opposite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeleny Posted November 28, 2011 Author Share #12 Posted November 28, 2011 Click-stop aperture settings must be a pain? And yea, pulling focus would be a bitch. What I'm really curious about is that with the Summilux-C line available why would someone want to use the R or M line? If nothing else, just from a practicality standpoint. I mean, size is mute on a Scarlet system with the camera/rig size being fairly large already. So are people THAT committed to the rendering of these old lenses? I am getting my Scarlet system for web content, with DSMC breakdown of 70/30 S/M. My motion work will be mainly running and gunning at the outset, with little opportunity for focus pulling better served by Canon lenses with their autofocus than by PL mount lenses with their follow focus capacity. Superior rendering of Leica lenses will play a big role in the remainder. Needless to say, I would rather have a mount for my S lenses, but M will do in a pinch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastgreenlander Posted November 29, 2011 Share #13 Posted November 29, 2011 I can easily imagine this shoot with leica M glass : Egypt / Lebanon Montage on Vimeo Run and gun shots it will probably be better with other glass. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeleny Posted December 2, 2011 Author Share #14 Posted December 2, 2011 EPIC + Leica-M + Pier 59 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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