hoppyman Posted November 11, 2011 Share #21 Posted November 11, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Zeleny it certainly does give an appearance of wires across the sensor in that second shot, but David and others have confirmed that there is a crack, so this must be an illusion. I'm pleased to read that you will get a loaner and prompt service. You must be thankful that you paid for the extra service contract at least. I hope that you are back in business as soon as possible. Regarding the M9 it is not true to say that this was a common problem. Compare the number of reports that we have seen to the known production of more than 30,000 M9 cameras manufactured so far. Absolutely would be frustrating to be one of that small percentage with a problem of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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stevelap Posted November 11, 2011 Share #22 Posted November 11, 2011 I'd rather keep paying to extend the S2P warranty in perpetuity. My spare body will be a Red Scarlet. If you haven't already handled one, or an Epic (I see you're in LA, please ignore if you have ), you'll find Scarlet to be a little bulkier than your S2 by the time you've kitted it out. It will also have a few limitations if used as a stills camera only in the traditional sense, eg no strobes/flash currently and motion centric ergonomics. It's EVF of course, and you can't connect both the EVF and touch screen display simultaneously at the moment (not until the pro i/o module or some other solution is available) although you can connect a SmallHD display or similar via HDMI or HD-SDI. Modularity is good but it does mean that both EVF and display connect via cables. I've been following RED and their DSMC concept closely, perhaps you have too, and there's no doubt that Epic is hugely capable and Scarlet will be close behind. However if it's the S side of the DSMC mix that is of primary interest (and it would be for me) then there are compromises to be made compared to current stills cameras. In other words, I really would have to want the motion capability in order to justify owning either at the moment. Apologies for straying off topic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted November 13, 2011 Share #23 Posted November 13, 2011 One Guinness says it is a wire. You're on. One pint of Guinness (London price via Paypal to save you FedExing me a can) says that it's a crack. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted November 13, 2011 Share #24 Posted November 13, 2011 I certainly have no idea what most of you are looking at but that is NO crack. It is a pair of wires. Just how can't every one see that. Did those that say it a crack actually look at both pictures? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted November 13, 2011 Share #25 Posted November 13, 2011 I certainly have no idea what most of you are looking at but that is NO crack. It is a pair of wires. Just how can't every one see that. Did those that say it a crack actually look at both pictures? Sure I have. It is exactly what a crack in the cover glass looks like. Which wires are you talking about anyway and how are they supposed have got there? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted November 13, 2011 Share #26 Posted November 13, 2011 I, too, belong to the wire faction. It also could be some kind of gasket or seal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted November 13, 2011 Share #27 Posted November 13, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) I guess looks can be deceiving. It should be pretty easy to press it gently with something soft and see if it moves. It does look like some kind of gasket that has come out compared to the other photos of cracks. It seems pretty thick for a crack in glass. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/165997-my-s2p-cracks-its-ir-filter/?do=findComment&comment=1842994'>More sharing options...
ho_co Posted November 13, 2011 Share #28 Posted November 13, 2011 How common are 2-lead wire connections in high-tech electronic equipment? Not very AFAIK. As Michael H asked, what does this double connector supposedly connect? If it were a wire, it looks as if it had been stretched around the corner of the sensor unit. Seems to me that would be pretty lousy planning for a piece of equipment as elegant as this. Come on, guys! The OP has a cracked sensor. Leica didn't ask, "Are you sure it isn't just a loose wire? There are a lot of wires in that camera." Leica said "Right, we're sending a loaner." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted November 14, 2011 Share #29 Posted November 14, 2011 Zeleny it certainly does give an appearance of wires across the sensor in that second shot, but David and others have confirmed that there is a crack, so this must be an illusion. I'm pleased to read that you will get a loaner and prompt service. You must be thankful that you paid for the extra service contract at least. I hope that you are back in business as soon as possible. Regarding the M9 it is not true to say that this was a common problem. Compare the number of reports that we have seen to the known production of more than 30,000 M9 cameras manufactured so far. Absolutely would be frustrating to be one of that small percentage with a problem of course. Unless David has physically looked inside the camera just how can he tell it is really a crack? I really don't think his opinion is the last word. I save the image to my system, opened in PS CS5, zoomed in and if that is a crack I'll eat someones week old underwear (preferably female). Of course that is my opinion as I have not physically looked at it. But it is raised above the sensor. I'm now thinking it is some type of gasket like some of the other posters have stated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlehrer Posted November 14, 2011 Share #30 Posted November 14, 2011 The sensor is cracked. There are no wires around the sensor that can appear in the corner like that. The reason it might look like a double-wire is simply the crack reflecting in the mirrored surface of the sensor cover glass. As David mentioned, this did occur with a certain batch of Kodak sensors. Leica is well aware of this problem, and is not the only camera manufacturer using Kodak sensors to experience this. Thankfully, this problem has become quite rare, I imagine there are very few S2 bodies left out there with sensors from that batch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeleny Posted November 15, 2011 Author Share #31 Posted November 15, 2011 I save the image to my system, opened in PS CS5, zoomed in and if that is a crack I'll eat someones week old underwear (preferably female). Of course that is my opinion as I have not physically looked at it. But it is raised above the sensor. I'm now thinking it is some type of gasket like some of the other posters have stated.I'll take you up on your offer, provided that you get your meal filmed. Digital capture will do, too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeD700 Posted November 21, 2011 Share #32 Posted November 21, 2011 This thread is só funny. Apparently owning expensive cameras leads to brain damage. What camera were the original pics taken with? Apart maybe from the oof one they're very telling and conclusive. A wire... Now pull the other one! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted November 22, 2011 Share #33 Posted November 22, 2011 I do have to say I found it amusing (but also sort of sad) that "experts" thousands of miles away, looking at web jpegs, thought they knew more about a camera than the owner actually holding it in his hands. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted November 22, 2011 Share #34 Posted November 22, 2011 Have I won my pint of Guinness yet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeD700 Posted November 22, 2011 Share #35 Posted November 22, 2011 The pictures are conclusive. A doubl stranded black wire, and its reflection in the sensor surface. Has the OP tried to grab it with a pincer (the wire, not its reflection)? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeleny Posted November 22, 2011 Author Share #36 Posted November 22, 2011 The pictures are conclusive. A doubl stranded black wire, and its reflection in the sensor surface. Has the OP tried to grab it with a pincer (the wire, not its reflection)? Would you care to make a bet on your conclusion, my camera against yours? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 22, 2011 Share #37 Posted November 22, 2011 I think it is a wire or gasket too. Very interested to learn the outcome. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
t024484 Posted November 22, 2011 Share #38 Posted November 22, 2011 I think it is a wire or gasket too. Very interested to learn the outcome. Jaap, Look at the very end of the "wire" to the right. You can see where disappears under the frame that it is broken glass. It is a very deceiving crack indeed. Hans Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted November 22, 2011 Share #39 Posted November 22, 2011 sure doesn't look like a crack from the images posted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeleny Posted November 23, 2011 Author Share #40 Posted November 23, 2011 sure doesn't look like a crack from the images posted.The images were created with an HTC EVO 4G. I cannot vouch for their quality, but my first hand observation of the camera depicted therein is sufficiently compelling to warrant my proposed wager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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