Riley Posted February 17, 2007 Share #1  Posted February 17, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) just noticed that there is an open source RAW/jpeg/TIFF editor (yes free) for linux but it also has windows and mac versions  http://www.lightcrafts.com/index.php  LightZone for Linux (linux)  supported cameras # Leica AG M8 Digital, AG R9 Digital Back DMR, D-Lux 2, Digilux 2, Digilux 3  # Panasonic DMC-FZ30, DMC-FZ50, DMC-LC1, DMC-LX1, DMC-LX2, DMC-L1  # Olympus C-5050Z, C-5060WZ, C-70Z, C-7000Z, C-7070WZ, C-8080WZ, E-1, E-10, E-20, E-20N, E-20P, E-300, E-330, E-500, SP-350, SP-500UZ  anyone using these editors ? as they seem rather unconventional, any comment on the usefulness or comparisons with other image editors Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted February 17, 2007 Share #2  Posted February 17, 2007 .. everything and anything about it....Digital Outback Photo   I use it as a plugin for B&W Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samir Jahjah Posted February 17, 2007 Share #3  Posted February 17, 2007 just noticed that there is an open source RAW/jpeg/TIFF editor (yes free) for linuxbut it also has windows and mac versions  Light Crafts  LightZone for Linux (linux)  supported cameras # Leica AG M8 Digital, AG R9 Digital Back DMR, D-Lux 2, Digilux 2, Digilux 3  # Panasonic DMC-FZ30, DMC-FZ50, DMC-LC1, DMC-LX1, DMC-LX2, DMC-L1  # Olympus C-5050Z, C-5060WZ, C-70Z, C-7000Z, C-7070WZ, C-8080WZ, E-1, E-10, E-20, E-20N, E-20P, E-300, E-330, E-500, SP-350, SP-500UZ  anyone using these editors ? as they seem rather unconventional, any comment on the usefulness or comparisons with other image editors   I use lightzone a lot: it allows you to approach editing in a very intuitive way (and non-destructive). You cannot do everything of course, but I achieve amazing results and very rapidly. Give it a try! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
platoali Posted February 17, 2007 Share #4 Â Posted February 17, 2007 As far az I can see it is not free ( as freedom). They just allow users of linux use the binary free of charge. You can not access the source code at all. Â Any way I could not download the tar file. It gave me the error of "ERROR 500: ( Not implemented )". But maybe it is because my buggy Nat server. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ustein Posted February 17, 2007 Share #5 Â Posted February 17, 2007 >I use it (means LigthZone) as a plugin for B&W Â If I look at your excellent B&W images at etrouko.com.au. then this means something. Â I also love it a lot for B&W or colorized. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted February 17, 2007 Share #6 Â Posted February 17, 2007 Thanks Uwe LightZone is probably about the best thing out there for B&W work, takes a bit of getting used to. It all depends on the image but I find it best mid stream when one wants to get the image to pick up that extra or reduced tonal. Pretty much as when you print the image for the third time in the old darkroom just to nail the tones. It is one of those applications that will grow and get better and better as digital files improve. Â Â Â Â Tried it on some M8 files for B&W, works like a dream.. brings out the best in the D2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted February 17, 2007 Share #7  Posted February 17, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) just noticed that there is an open source RAW/jpeg/TIFF editor (yes free) for linuxbut it also has windows and mac versions  Light Crafts  LightZone for Linux (linux)  supported cameras # Leica AG M8 Digital, AG R9 Digital Back DMR, D-Lux 2, Digilux 2, Digilux 3  # Panasonic DMC-FZ30, DMC-FZ50, DMC-LC1, DMC-LX1, DMC-LX2, DMC-L1  # Olympus C-5050Z, C-5060WZ, C-70Z, C-7000Z, C-7070WZ, C-8080WZ, E-1, E-10, E-20, E-20N, E-20P, E-300, E-330, E-500, SP-350, SP-500UZ  anyone using these editors ? as they seem rather unconventional, any comment on the usefulness or comparisons with other image editors  I was given a free evaluation copy of the version 1.6 by Lightcrafts at Photokina. I was watching one of the developers using it and it looked fantastic. In particular the noise removal machine looked better than the latest version of Noise Ninja, which I use. I did install it and had quite a few bugs. I downloaded the later version (?2.0) and found it quite difficult to use. I think it is probably a pretty good program if you are prepared to discard some of your Photoshop working practices and re-learn from scratch. When I am back down in France for the summer and have more time plus am taking more B&W, it is something I would like to learn. The tone enhancement engine looks a particularly nice tool.  Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malland Posted February 17, 2007 Share #8 Â Posted February 17, 2007 I agree. I find LightZone excellent for tonal adjustments in B&W because, unlike Photoshop Curves, it allows you easily to change one range of curves with effecting others. It also is excellent for dodging and burning because it has a vector-based selection tool that is much easier to control than the selection tools in Photoshop. You can see the results here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/10268776@N00/ Â --Mitch/Huahin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveSee Posted February 17, 2007 Share #9 Â Posted February 17, 2007 Yes, and yes. Very clean layout with probably the most intuitive "layer" user interface and tone curves--yes, you can layer more than one curve... DNG, TIFF and JPEG... and a Linux port for those of us who prefer that OS. Â rgds, Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveSee Posted February 17, 2007 Share #10 Â Posted February 17, 2007 As far az I can see it is not free ( as freedom). They just allow users of linux use the binary free of charge. You can not access the source code at all. Â Any way I could not download the tar file. It gave me the error of "ERROR 500: ( Not implemented )". But maybe it is because my buggy Nat server. No, it's not Free/Open Source Software(FOSS), but it's Java-based and thus "portable" to many other platforms than Apple or MS. Â Sorry to read of your buggy NAT... Â rgds, Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley Posted February 17, 2007 Author Share #11  Posted February 17, 2007 Ali I meant free as in cash$, thats my kind of free + there are few effective image editors for linux OS  Uwe, Imants, Wilson, Mitch yes I see the usefulness for B&W the representative images are wonderful  Dave I like the layer user interface too (Im trailing the Windows version) when I was shown how to sharpen using layers it opened up a whole new world to me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchell Posted February 17, 2007 Share #12 Â Posted February 17, 2007 Do you not like LZ for color? Â Thanks, Â Mitchell Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffreyg Posted February 17, 2007 Share #13 Â Posted February 17, 2007 How do you find LZ for speed of image conversion? I tried an earlier version, and wanted to end each session with converting the files to TIFF's, so they could be printed in Imageprint, or just be transportable. This conversion took quite a while. Â Is it better in the newer versions, and is there something wrong with this workflow? Should it just be left in Lightzone? Â As a photoediting piece of software, it is pretty easy to use and a lot of visual fun. Very intuitive, and just falls to hand. Â Geoff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
innerimager Posted February 17, 2007 Share #14 Â Posted February 17, 2007 adding my appreciation to the list. i find it very intuitive, the selection tools are much easier to use than PS approaches, the zonefinder approach is very interactive, it makes me play with different layer renditions much more than I do in PS, it goes on.....Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ustein Posted February 17, 2007 Share #15  Posted February 17, 2007 >Do you not like LZ for color?  Very much so. But right now I use more B&W or colorized.  Want to learn LZ? Have a look at our LZ contests:  Workflow Contest @Digital Outback Photo  They are clearly unique because we provide an original RAW and readers send in so called LZN files. This way you can follow step by step all editing steps on your own machine (no hidden magic).  LZ and layers:  The LZ user interface is not fancy but the most efficient I have ever used for layers (no modal dialogs in your way). LZ is easy to learn if you are willing not to use Curces (actually I never liked Curves anyway :-))  Uwe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ustein Posted February 17, 2007 Share #16 Â Posted February 17, 2007 >How do you find LZ for speed of image conversion? Â Speed is something very subjective. Â Here a littel story: Â When Capture One came out (November 2002) people measured RAW conversion times and e.g. ACR in 2003 was faster. But while ACR did this job you waited while in C1 the processing was done in the background (many do this now). As a net result I saved hours of real time in C1 and still the pure conversion was not the fastest. Â Same with LZ. I think in net it is faster to do selective3 editing in LZ than any other application. All is non destructive and can be tuned in any order. Â TIFF conversion is not really fast but faster than in earlier versions. Â Uwe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted February 17, 2007 Share #17 Â Posted February 17, 2007 Uwe, do you also use Lightzone for colour photos? Have you tried Lightroom recently, and if so, any comments? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted February 17, 2007 Share #18  Posted February 17, 2007 LightZone works well on colour as long as they are not 'difficult' images, then it takes some time to get it right and others i.e. Lightroom do it better. If you have to touch up a image tonally, render the hues harmoniously or some localised burning or saturating, I am happy to use LightZone, p.s. great in conjunction with Raw Developer for landscape colour work, great warm tones as Raw Developer ability in subduing the oversaturated greens   Worth the effort for those who want to learn Workflow Contest @Digital Outback Photo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ustein Posted February 17, 2007 Share #19  Posted February 17, 2007 Carsten,  I use Lightroom now for a few months (as an early tester). Here is our review (preview):  Art of RAW Conversion #030 @Digital Outback Photo   Here is what I wrote in our own news groups as a reply:  -----------------------------------  >My workflow is evolving into Lightroom followed by LightZone for tonality control.  That is exactly what I do (also of course selective editing).  Here is a sketch of my workflow:  1. Organize in LR 2. Drag RAW file onto LZ (Mac) 3. work in LZ and save as LZN-JPEG (I limit it to 2000 pixels wide) 4. give the LZN-JPEG the extension <original filename>_lzn.jpg 5. Drag/drop this file from LZ to LR (seems only to work on Macs, Windows do an import) 6. Import in LR 7. Create a stack with the JPEG on top in LR 8. You then can drag/drop the stack onto LZ and fine tune the file 9. For final print exposrt the LZN-JPEG to a TIFF file in LZ 10. import TIFF in LR 11. Put TIFF on top of stack in LR 12. print from LR  If further editing in PS is needed you can also edit the TIFF file in PS.  This way you have all parts of the final image in one stack!  ----------------------  Why would you then need Lightroom? Lightroom is a nice organizer (missing some features we would like to see). The integrated raw converter (ACR) is essential to do pre-selection of images. Without the raw converter controls you don't know what you have. Still we then do most color images in LightZone.  This means we use Lightroom, LightZone and Photoshop (+ some plugins) together.  I plan to start soon a new series about the need for selective editing. Unfortunatly many people are not are how selective editing can dramtically improve pictures (like dodge/burn in the classic darkroom).  Uwe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted February 17, 2007 Share #20 Â Posted February 17, 2007 Interesting. Maybe I will end up with two raw developers after all then. I must confess, having dabbled in the zone system in the past, that Lightzone appealed to me since the beginning, but I love the database management in Lightroom, as well as the other modules apart from develop. Â "Stack"? This sounds more like Aperture. Is this a v1.0 feature? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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