cd95 Posted October 7, 2011 Share #1 Posted October 7, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) the frame counter gears of MP is made of plastic and this part tends to break during normal use. My MP' counter could not reset to zero and I'm now thinking it may caused by this plastic part. Why they stop using metal on this gear (like m2/3/4) on such a expensive model? Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/163669-so-disappointed-to-see-this/?do=findComment&comment=1812414'>More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 Hi cd95, Take a look here So disappointed to see this. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
pico Posted October 7, 2011 Share #2 Posted October 7, 2011 There is not excuse whatsoever for such a change. Keep the bean counters out of engineering! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted October 7, 2011 Share #3 Posted October 7, 2011 Thank you, I am now more happy than ever with my M2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronan Posted October 8, 2011 Share #4 Posted October 8, 2011 More shame for Leica... Disgusting... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf96 Posted October 8, 2011 Share #5 Posted October 8, 2011 I also don't like the plastic shit. there are good plastic materials but then it is cheaper to use metal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted October 8, 2011 Share #6 Posted October 8, 2011 It's not disgusting, but it is very disappointing. It's not what I bought my MP for. Under what circumstances did this part break? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPerson Posted October 8, 2011 Share #7 Posted October 8, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Interesting. Did that happen after a film jam? My MP is five years old now and had roughly 4500 rolls through it and not had any problems. Anyone know if that particular bit of engineering is the same as previous mechanical M's and, if so, can the metal parts be substituted for the plastic? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
azzo Posted October 8, 2011 Share #8 Posted October 8, 2011 Oh!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted October 8, 2011 Share #9 Posted October 8, 2011 Why they stop using metal on this gear (like m2/3/4) on such a expensive model? Leica stopped using metal for that part 34 years ago - and for a cheap model: the M4-2. (I had one break on an M4-2). The plastic version has been used on every camera since then, with a pretty low failure rate. I've heard of three breaking - out of 100,000+ cameras built 1977 to 2011. This part is not in the "drive train" of the film-wind/shutter-cocking mechanism, so it does not carry a heavy load and wouldn't be affected by a film jam. It's like a rubber accesory belt on a car engine, which won't break just because the drive shaft or transmission jams - but may wear out at some point regardless of stress. Or break because of a flaw in the material. (Even Ferrari uses rubber belts. ) can the metal parts be substituted for the plastic? The opposite is more likely. The metal parts haven't been made for over 30 years. In the unlikely event that an M2's metal counter broke, the choices would probably be: replace it with the current plastic parts, or find an old metal part off a "parts" camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
theendlesshouse Posted October 8, 2011 Share #10 Posted October 8, 2011 There is some tough old plastic out there!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NB23 Posted October 8, 2011 Share #11 Posted October 8, 2011 Let's Nuke the "I love my MP thread" ASAP!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NB23 Posted October 8, 2011 Share #12 Posted October 8, 2011 How many of you guys will sell their MP(lastic) now? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MX5Bob Posted October 8, 2011 Share #13 Posted October 8, 2011 There are plastics - Tupperware - and there are plastics - Zytel nylon. The latter has been used for motorcycle sprockets on dirt bikes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest camera man Posted October 8, 2011 Share #14 Posted October 8, 2011 The MP is not mechanical perfection. My camera is back in Germany for a third service problem!!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobey bilek Posted October 8, 2011 Share #15 Posted October 8, 2011 You just don`t understand. The plastic part is $2. Brass is maybe $20. So your camera was $18 cheaper. Forget the $200 you will spend to have a new $2 gear put in that will again break. cars are built the same way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted October 8, 2011 Share #16 Posted October 8, 2011 Do you know what? I'm going to carry on using my new MP and getting a great deal of pleasure from using it. If it breaks through the failure of a €2 part, I will have it fixed. These things are disappointing and shouldn't break, but life's too short to lose sleep over this kind of thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted October 8, 2011 Share #17 Posted October 8, 2011 The fact Leica have used this part since the M4-2 is reassuring, it's obviously very unlikely to fail. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronan Posted October 8, 2011 Share #18 Posted October 8, 2011 It's not disgusting, but it is very disappointing. It's not what I bought my MP for. Under what circumstances did this part break? It sure is disgusting after you paid retail for a MP expecting Mechanical Perfection but they cheap out on a part that gets used quite often and stuck cheap plastic instead of a metal gear (proven to work). DAG can replace it with a metal part. The fact Leica have used this part since the M4-2 is reassuring, it's obviously very unlikely to fail. Somewhat untrue. Some models used it, others didn't. The switch was more economical too... Economical heh... Not better, but economical... AFAIK Leica isn't trying to save its business from bankruptcy, so why are they being economical?... For the price a MP cost, id expect corners not to be cut. Also that plastic gear which is hollow btw, makes contact with a metal gear i believe... plastic vs metal, not great... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpattison Posted October 8, 2011 Share #19 Posted October 8, 2011 cd95, I'm just curious about who shot the picture... did you take your camera apart yourself? John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted October 8, 2011 Share #20 Posted October 8, 2011 It's not "disgusting". The poverty that many people in the world have to live in - that's disgusting. Lots of other things are disgusting. This is just a plastic part that might fail occasionally. Let's keep this in perspective. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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