nikki3030 Posted October 1, 2011 Share #1 Â Posted October 1, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi, im a digilux 2 owner plus a minilux and minilux zoom,I wanted to get a compact camera to have on me at all times.I was set to get the d lux 5 even ordered the case and grip but now dont know weather to wait and see results from the x10? I had a good look at x1 and x100 and thought that images were better from the leica.Can the d lux 5 and x10 be compared?? or are they different cameras compleatly ! any thoughts? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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petemasty Posted October 3, 2011 Share #2  Posted October 3, 2011 Nikki  The sensor is larger in the X10, so, all things being equal noise control should be a little better. I thnik its going to be down to the lens quality. i have an X100 and can say that the image quality is quite excellent. I put that down to the fact its a fixed lens matched (dont ask me why/how) to the sensor.  Obviously no one can compare the two until the X10 comes out. The other evening I compared my DLux5 against my Canon 7d and 15-85mm lens (a well respected lens). Printed image quality at A4 showed no discernable difference. At A3, there was barely discernable noise on both. At A2 I noticed the Leica was sharper (it surprised me a helluva lot), but noise was better contrrolld by the DSLR (no surprise there).  In my humble opinion (very humble indeed), I would stick with the Leica DLux5 instead of going for the X10 (even if image quality is known and is comparable) because:  -it will be more pocketable -the resale value I feel will be better -the Leica lens, it would seem, has no parallel.  Again, these are only my opinions, and not based on any great technical knowldge or understanding, just my use of the Dlux5 and the Fuji X100 (so all you techno-geeks out there, no need to get all nasty and contrary)  nikki, I dont think you'll regret getting a DLux5. The Macro is fantastic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade Posted October 4, 2011 Share #3 Â Posted October 4, 2011 The Dlux 5 is a fantastic camera, and if I'm not mistaken, the X10 is fitted with a slightly larger sensor if that's your concern. I *like* the X10's look, but it's a tough contest. I think I will end up with an X10, just like I ended up with an X100 as opposed to an X1. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guytou Posted October 4, 2011 Share #4  Posted October 4, 2011 The Dlux 5 is a fantastic camera, and if I'm not mistaken, the X10 is fitted with a slightly larger sensor if that's your concern. I *like* the X10's look, but it's a tough contest. I think I will end up with an X10, just like I ended up with an X100 as opposed to an X1.  X10 has a sensor 20% larger than the DL5, but it has also 2 MP more… What returns to same, the density of pixels is the same one and they are also small (2.2 µ). Remain to see the lens…  Guy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest happytogger Posted October 5, 2011 Share #5  Posted October 5, 2011 X10 has a sensor 20% larger than the DL5, but it has also 2 MP more…What returns to same, the density of pixels is the same one and they are also small (2.2 µ). Remain to see the lens…  Guy  X10 although stated as 12MP is really a 6MP on a 2/3" It does do 12MP as Fuji S2 6MP did 12MP, yet its a kind of interpolation. At 6MP X10 offers two selectable modes : increased DR & high iso low noise : due to as I understand at 6MP X10 larger pixel pitch (bigger photodiodes). Lens will not match D2. I expect it to be of the nice quality of Fuji S602 bridge (2002) and match DL5.  Remains to be seen ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guytou Posted October 5, 2011 Share #6 Â Posted October 5, 2011 Wait and see... Â Guy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted October 5, 2011 Share #7  Posted October 5, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) X10 although stated as 12MP is really a 6MP on a 2/3"It does do 12MP as Fuji S2 6MP did 12MP, yet its a kind of interpolation. Interpolation has nothing to do with it. The sensor has 12 millions of individual photosites and the camera can use these 12 MP to create a 12 MP image or combine two neighbouring pixels to increase either signal-to-noise-ratio or dynamic range, resulting in a 6 MP image.  (The SuperCCD in the FinePix S2 featured 6 million octagonal pixels arranged in a honeycomb pattern from which a 12 MP image of square pixels arranged in rows and columns was interpolated. But that was 9 years ago and a completely different sensor.)  due to as I understand at 6MP X10 larger pixel pitch (bigger photodiodes). The photosites are about the same size as those of the D-Lux 5 – the pixel pitch is about 2 microns. The X10 can increase the signal-to-noise-ratio by simply combining the values of two neighbouring pixels, emulating a larger pixel (in SN mode). In DR mode the electronic shutter is used to capture two differently exposed images, at the same time: of any two neighbouring sensor pixels, one is exposed 2 or 4 times as long as the other. This results in two differently exposed 6 MP images which are combined to increase dynamic range. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpmac55 Posted October 31, 2011 Share #8 Â Posted October 31, 2011 The Fuji x100 is a wonderful camera although it has had its share of miscues. The user interface is often mind boggling. Now more than a few owners are having shutter issues. So has Fuji learned from their x100 experience or will the x10 follow the same path? Whatever you decide, I'd wait to see how others make out with their x10's before taking one home. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest happytogger Posted November 1, 2011 Share #9  Posted November 1, 2011 X10 USP as i wrote in the thread Companion to M9  A companion to M9 would have id say the following Body all metal including chassis, top & base plate & dials. OVF bright sharp capable of matching the lens focal lengths. Lens wide to standard to portrait to short tele. Lens manual zooming & focusing. Lens fast. Lens sharp wide open with nice oof background. Lens barrel metal. AF fast, accurate focus tracking & high fps. Colours rich & accurate, skin tones accurate, white balance accurate. Metering superb. Capable of handling different conditions from high dr to high iso. Pocketable in jacket pocket. Gorgeous design.  Having played with both in CameraWorld no contest. X10 is quite easily a class above Dlux5 including Titanium DLux5. Only reason to get Dlux5 is 24mm which X10 & wide angle converter will do or using our feet. (Ive seen one or two here mention the plasticy photos of Dlux5 ... personal taste).  :  X10 handled operated like a refined X100. Fuji have listened. All important function have dedicated buttons. It is as easy & fast to set up as my dslr Olympus E1 which was known for this.   :  I see Fuji iterface as EXR mode is more for jpegs : Auto, 12mp full res, 6mp DR, 6mp SN high iso low noise. RAW : 12mp full res, 6mp DR, 6mp SN (pasm & all scene modes). Scene modes : extensive. C1 & C2 on top dial for our own custom.  http://g1.img-dpreview.com/C97E463268AA499C8C01F9F993215784.jpg  In the menu it is like setting up a 1DX, D3s just how we like then trusting X10. X10 delivers.  :  If Leica had brought out X10 we'd be on it like PoohBear on honey Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpmac55 Posted November 1, 2011 Share #10 Â Posted November 1, 2011 Â X10 handled operated like a refined X100. Fuji have listened. All important function have dedicated buttons. It is as easy & fast to set up as my dslr Olympus E1 which was known for this. Â Oh well, the X10's very first firmware update: Â Firmware for X10 | Fujifilm Global Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest happytogger Posted November 3, 2011 Share #11 Â Posted November 3, 2011 I had a play again today with LX5 (Dlux5). Im sorry compared to X10, LX5 (Dlux5) feels as a cheap toy. Really have to hold X10 & use X10 to realise. Â I hope DLux6 is a spirit of Leica design. Not a panasonic design Dlux5. There is always scope to look at a modern classic (X10) & say yep we should've done something like that & then do it better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpmac55 Posted November 3, 2011 Share #12 Â Posted November 3, 2011 I've been pretty pleased with my Dlux4. Probably the best feature is being compact and easy to stash in my briefcase or day pack. Images are surprisingly pleasing most of the time, too. Â I also give high marks to my X100, most notably with image quality. It can be quirky though, especially if you don't use it for a while. And although nothing has happened to mine yet, all I read about is the shutter problem occurring to many X100 owners. Â So like the original poster, I am also undecided between a Dlux5 and the X10. It is good to hear from folks who have handled both but in the end, my recommendation is always the same: buy the camera you really want. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
celloHuber Posted November 27, 2011 Share #13 Â Posted November 27, 2011 So now the X10 is available does anybody have any concrete comparisons in image quality between the X10 and D-Lux 5? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade Posted November 27, 2011 Share #14 Â Posted November 27, 2011 I do not have comparison images but I have seen both and played with both side by side, and I would pick the x10 over the D-Lux 5 for overall performance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
celloHuber Posted November 28, 2011 Share #15 Â Posted November 28, 2011 I do not have comparison images but I have seen both and played with both side by side, and I would pick the x10 over the D-Lux 5 for overall performance. Â Thanks Shade. Does "overall performance" include most attractive bokeh? I still want to see pictures.. Â Both little cams have great fast lenses on them so they should yield some nice results. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nippa Posted November 29, 2011 Share #16 Â Posted November 29, 2011 I have an LX5 and an X10 but the Fuji is quite special - I love it;) Â However you need to know that there is a problem with the Fuji in the that it handles intense highlights like the sun reflecting from an object by plotting them as sharp white circles. All very unnatural and is the cause of much unrest among the X10 fraternity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
celloHuber Posted November 29, 2011 Share #17 Â Posted November 29, 2011 I have an LX5 and an X10 but the Fuji is quite special - I love it;)Â However you need to know that there is a problem with the Fuji in the that it handles intense highlights like the sun reflecting from an object by plotting them as sharp white circles. All very unnatural and is the cause of much unrest among the X10 fraternity. Â Do you have any photostreams (flickr etc) which compare LX5 shots to your new X10? Thanks for the information. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NZDavid Posted November 29, 2011 Share #18  Posted November 29, 2011 I had a play again today with LX5 (Dlux5). Im sorry compared to X10, LX5 (Dlux5) feels as a cheap toy...  That is as may be but be assured the D-Lux 5 is no "cheap toy". It's not a toy and it's not that cheap! Analyzing the specs, handling the camera and having a play with it tell you only so much. Real world pictures are decisive. I cannot comment on the Fuji, although it looks great. It's the kind of camera Leica should make! (With proper shutter dial and apertures as well as manual zoom.) have had the D-Lux 5 (LX5) for just over a year and it's an excellent camera, and not just as a backup to an M.  I use a separate 24mm optical finder as composing on an LCD in bright light is near impossible. That extra wideangle (24mm v 28mm equiv. = 84º of coverage v 76º) is very useful. You can also get an accessory wideangle attachment to extend the wideangle range to 18mm (180º) equiv. Of course, the Fuji has a built in optical finder and extends to 112mm equiv (20º) at the long end.  The D-Lux's sensor has apparently been tweaked so dynamic range is a lot better. Compare digital cameras of a few years ago and there has been a marked improvement. Image quality is good enough for magazine and newspaper publication. I have some examples on my website. See under Writing/ Apartment dwellers/Kaikoura Wilderness (most)/ Liz Harris (except main pic)/ Lighting Revolution/ Living and Renting in a Disaster Zone. Most pics on Gallery are from film, but I'll add more. Under Travel/Australia & Asia I do have some more D-Lux 5 shots from Kuala Lumpur, including night markets at ISO 1600.  Good luck!  David  David Killick | Freelance Journalist and Photographer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gearoido Posted December 1, 2011 Share #19  Posted December 1, 2011 Hi,  I've owned both the D2 and an LX3. I have just received an X10. The D2 had an excellent lens, probably better than the X10 LX3 or LX5. I'm not really qualified to judge. The controls on the X10 are similar to the D2 both of which are better than the LX3. The LX3 and LX5 don't have a viewfinder the D2 finder was poor. The X10 finder is fine but it only shows 85% and no data. I find that autofocus doesn't work well if using the finder because you don't really know where focus is.  There are good reviews on both Luminous Landscape, Sean Reid, and Photographyblog.com  All in all I like the X10 best.  GaryO Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjans Posted December 1, 2011 Share #20 Â Posted December 1, 2011 I have a DL-3 and also the D2. The ISO performance of the X10 is very, very good. I like this camera. Â Best Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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