matlep Posted October 1, 2011 Share #21  Posted October 1, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) You won't be disappointed.... M9 Nokton 35 1.2 V2 800 ASA at f/ 1.2 1/90 sec sorry, you ordered a 1.4, don't know anything about it....but the new 1.2 ..wow  Well, as you said. The 1.2 is a totally different ballpark. The 1.4... Yuk! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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enboe Posted October 1, 2011 Share #22 Â Posted October 1, 2011 I put my deposit down 9 days ago at a long-standing Los Angeles area dealer. I am number two on the list, so here's to hoping they send two in their next shipment. Anyone hear of a dealer receiving two in a shipment? I guess I'll just have to stay 6 feet away or micro-bracket my close-focus cases when I shoot at f/1.4 with my current lens. Luckily with digital, I can see the results on the spot and make the appropriate adjustments. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramosa Posted October 1, 2011 Share #23 Â Posted October 1, 2011 I hope you guys get these new lenses soon ... so you can all sell the previous asph version, one to me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotolebrocq Posted October 2, 2011 Share #24 Â Posted October 2, 2011 At longer midrange distances and beyond (to infinity), things change to a significant degree. The FLE lens in the outer zones at f1.4 -f4.5 is amazingly sharp..maybe not quite as much resolution as the center of the frame..but it is good and keeps improving as one stops down. The 35mm f1.2 in contrast exhibits a lot of field curvature, which is very noticable at mid to long and long distances. This causes the outer zones of an images to remain relatively soft compared to the center, even when shooting at f4.5 and beyond. What can be seen (due to this curvature) is the very forgrounds of these longer distance shots, in the outer zones are sharp, instead of the outer zones in the distance, where the camera is set to focus on. Therefore edge to edge sharpness at long distances landscapes and subjects, maybe not be entirely possible unlesss one stops "well" down to beyond f5.6. Again this is seen at 100% crops and may not be relavent for many kinds of shooting and subjects. Whether these two samples are representitive of all samples, I honestly can't say. Also if one is not pixel peeping on these longer distance shots or subject matter doesn't lend itself to needing resolution in the outer zones as say compared to the center of the image...the lens/image will be fine. It all depends on ones requirements. Â Interestingly I noticed this exact same "curvature" phenominon (as described above) in a Pentax AF medium format 35mm f2.8 lens (the FA 35mm f2.8). Guess is's a certain type of optical design where emphasis is placed on extreme resolution in the central zone of an image...but where as the camera to subject distance increases (mid distance to infinity shots)...the outer zone sufferes due to excessive field curvature introduced. Â Other than that the VC 35mm f1.2 II lens is impressive. I left discussion of OOF areas and bokeh out of this discussion (for the time being). Â Dave (D&A) Â This very interesting analysis prompted me to do some midrange and infinity testing myself. I have just completed a comparison with the summicron asph on a landscape of trees and houses (Nokton at 1.4 and f8, Summicron f2 and f8) and I agree that at f1.4/f2 the Nokton is much less sharp than the Summicron on the outer zones and it's a close call on centre - At f8 the Summicron still has the edge at the outer zones but there appears to be little difference on centre. Â At close distance on centre I have to say that the Summicron at f2 betters the Nokton for resolution at 1.2 and 1.4 but is very close at f2. Â I would now really like to see an in depth Nokton/FLE comparison from Sean Reid Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D&A Posted October 2, 2011 Share #25  Posted October 2, 2011 This very interesting analysis prompted me to do some midrange and infinity testing myself. I have just completed a comparison with the summicron asph on a landscape of trees and houses (Nokton at 1.4 and f8, Summicron f2 and f8) and I agree that at f1.4/f2 the Nokton is much less sharp than the Summicron on the outer zones and it's a close call on centre - At f8 the Summicron still has the edge at the outer zones but there appears to be little difference on centre. At close distance on centre I have to say that the Summicron at f2 betters the Nokton for resolution at 1.2 and 1.4 but is very close at f2.  I would now really like to see an in depth Nokton/FLE comparison from Sean Reid  Appreciate your testing and observations and it seems it parallel what I posted (above). Interestingly, look at the your images taken at mid and infinity distances with the 35mm f1.2 II at f1.4 and f2 and if there are things in the extreme foreground on the right and left hand side of the image...they will be sharp, as opposed to the trees/landscape at the mid-infinity distance (on those sides). This provides some evidence of the fairly extreme field curvature this lens exhibits at mid-infinity distances.  I found the FLE lens to be the best of the bunch when it came to sharpness across the frame at these distances but at the same time found the rendering and OOF bokeh extremely pleasing with the 35mm f1.2 II lens. So it was sort of a tradeoff. At closer subject distances the field curvature of the 35mm f1.2 II deminishes and doesn't play such a prominant role.  Dave (D&A) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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