StephenPatterson Posted September 15, 2011 Share #61 Â Posted September 15, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) I carry spare lens(s) and accessory stuff in pockets. No Bag. Â I think in Europe it's easier to get away with not carrying a bag, as the climate lends itself to a jacket where you can pocket a second lens, battery, sd card. In places like Singapore and Hong Kong, where it can be 35C and 100% humidity I wear light colored, cotton shirts and definitely do not wear a jacket. Â I also find it interesting that you do not value the security of placing your camera in a bag. Those little Italian trattorias with cute little tables and chairs on the sidewalk make for a "snatch and grab" thief's paradise, especially when a Leica is on the table. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rick Posted September 15, 2011 Share #62  Posted September 15, 2011 I think in Europe it's easier to get away with not carrying a bag, as the climate lends itself to a jacket where you can pocket a second lens, battery, sd card. In places like Singapore and Hong Kong, where it can be 35C and 100% humidity I wear light colored, cotton shirts and definitely do not wear a jacket. I also find it interesting that you do not value the security of placing your camera in a bag. Those little Italian trattorias with cute little tables and chairs on the sidewalk make for a "snatch and grab" thief's paradise, especially when a Leica is on the table.  As it sounds like you know, I spent 3 weeks in Paris and Italy this summer. But, it might surprise you that the temperature and humidity were very high and a jacket was not possible, even at night. The temperature was averaging 38C and humidity in Paris was lourd. Sandles, shorts, and linen shirts were the order. I never carried a bag or a pack of any kind. Just the M9 and strap and 2 lenses which I carried in my pockets with an extra battery, card, and a couple filters. That was it and it was liberating, like it always is.  I was aware of my camera when we were sitting at a sidewalk cafe and just kept it over my shoulder or sat it somewhere where it wasn't easy to grab, like on the ground. I did get a lot of scratches on the base plate on this trip, but it reminds me of the trip. I always have a natural sense of situational awareness, but I don't ever sit around and freak out in a cafe because I have my camera with me, I just enjoy myself.  When walking around I just carry my M9 in my hand with the strap around my wrist - that's it. This free loose style adds to the fun of just enjoying myself like a local-tourist and I believe it also conveys a certain non-threatening vibe when I'm taking pictures. I certainly feel more unencumbered and creative not carrying around a heavy bag or pack. Some days I just left the hotel with only the camera and lens - that was it. Voila!  Now, when I'm on the plane I have my camera in a full case (Luigi snub-nose full case) and my lenses are in a very small and compact Eagle Creek case. http://www.eaglecreek.com/packing_solutions/Gear_Packing/Pack-It-Protect-It-Cube-Small-41092/ I can get 4 lenses in the small case and the universal finder. But, I don't carry the case or the Luigi with me when I'm out shooting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenPatterson Posted September 15, 2011 Share #63 Â Posted September 15, 2011 I'm glad you had a good trip Rick, as I do recall your posts in preparation for places to visit in Italy. Hopefully I will get a chance to see some of your photos, as it sounded like a great adventure. As for me I'm always a bit "concerned" when sitting down in a cafe, hence I tend to button up my gear in the case and wrap the strap around the chair. I suppose it's just instilled in me from working many years in China, where the restaurant will cover your bag with a cloth cover which fits over the back of the chair (and your possessions) to keep prying eyes and hands away. Â Again, all the best and I'm glad you had an enjoyable trip. Â Stephen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swamiji Posted September 15, 2011 Share #64 Â Posted September 15, 2011 I am in China now, and I see guys wear Holster type shoulder bags everywhere. This bag would not stand out. Where camera bags are prime targets, and if you put your camera down, its gone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 15, 2011 Share #65 Â Posted September 15, 2011 The bag might not stand out, but I would... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted September 15, 2011 Share #66 Â Posted September 15, 2011 I had an XA2 in a belt pouch when I passed through security at the airport in Capetown a few years ago. I was asked by an armed officer to "...remove my gun - slowly". After that experience I have paid more attention to how things appear to others and no, I wouldn't use this in a million years... Â Regards, Â Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustafasoleiman Posted September 15, 2011 Share #67  Posted September 15, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) I had an XA2 in a belt pouch when I passed through security at the airport in Capetown a few years ago. I was asked by an armed officer to "...remove my gun - slowly". After that experience I have paid more attention to how things appear to others and no, I wouldn't use this in a million years... Regards,  Bill  In my case I got the opposite reaction... I got past the CIA officers protecting the Clintons during a reception because they thought I was one of them... YMMV of course... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted September 15, 2011 Share #68 Â Posted September 15, 2011 In my case I got the opposite reaction... I got past the CIA officers protecting the Clintons during a reception because they thought I was one of them... YMMV of course... Â The Secret Service protects the President not the CIA. That's probably why they didn't stop you. Something doesn't sound right... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Printmaker Posted September 15, 2011 Share #69 Â Posted September 15, 2011 A few years ago, I was in Italy. I saw several men with an over the shoulder leather bag/holster. It was a bit like a small sling bag but worn in the front. The storage part rode higher - about chest level. There was room for a cell phone and a few odds and ends. They were selling for about 75 euros in the leather shops. Â I tried one on with my Leica (M4) 35/90. The gear pulled it downwards and it looked a little funny with the camera/lens bulges. It was just too small for the camera but held a 90 Elmarit and a few rolls of film perfectly. Still. it was a good idea. An almost but not quite perfect solution. Â Anyway, the wife wanted lunch and I wanted to think of how I could adapt the bag. In the end, I decided it was too much work making it fit my needs. Â I only mention this because the Wotancraft holster looked like it might be an adaption of this concept. Looking at the photos however show it is worn far lower and it is definitely more gun holsterish. More than I want to chance in our trigger-happy times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erg Posted September 15, 2011 Share #70 Â Posted September 15, 2011 I had the chance to try the WWII reporter holster during a walk. The M9 has a tight but comfortable fit. Unlike a gun holster I'm wearing it quite low, almost on a level with my left hip. It's not dangling like the sun sniper and it disappears under my jacket. Â The Wotancraft holster is just another alternative to the good old neck strap and also comfortable if you wanna walk faster. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustafasoleiman Posted September 15, 2011 Share #71 Â Posted September 15, 2011 The Secret Service protects the President not the CIA. That's probably why they didn't stop you. Something doesn't sound right... Â I stand corrected... It was the secret service. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustafasoleiman Posted September 15, 2011 Share #72 Â Posted September 15, 2011 A few years ago, I was in Italy. I saw several men with an over the shoulder leather bag/holster. It was a bit like a small sling bag but worn in the front. The storage part rode higher - about chest level. There was room for a cell phone and a few odds and ends. They were selling for about 75 euros in the leather shops. Â I tried one on with my Leica (M4) 35/90. The gear pulled it downwards and it looked a little funny with the camera/lens bulges. It was just too small for the camera but held a 90 Elmarit and a few rolls of film perfectly. Still. it was a good idea. An almost but not quite perfect solution. Â Anyway, the wife wanted lunch and I wanted to think of how I could adapt the bag. In the end, I decided it was too much work making it fit my needs. Â I only mention this because the Wotancraft holster looked like it might be an adaption of this concept. Looking at the photos however show it is worn far lower and it is definitely more gun holsterish. More than I want to chance in our trigger-happy times. Â it was called "il borsello" from "la borsa" or lady's handbag. I thought then it was a bit ridiculous... And I still do... Some people still use it and you see fairly frequently in the streets of Milan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Printmaker Posted September 16, 2011 Share #73 Â Posted September 16, 2011 it was called "il borsello" from "la borsa" or lady's handbag.I thought then it was a bit ridiculous... And I still do... Some people still use it and you see fairly frequently in the streets of Milan. Â Thanks for the name. Â Many camera bags look a bit purse like. Even my army green Domke FB5 looks out of place. I always liked a Leica across my body under a sport coat or leather jacket but I live in the tropics. Shorts and aloha shirts are the norm. No place to hide a camera and spare lens here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade Posted September 16, 2011 Share #74 Â Posted September 16, 2011 Wotancraft is very nice in making vintage Panerai straps, but their cases and bags are wayyy too vintage for my taste. It actually gets to the border of vintage crossing over to damaged lol. Personal opinion of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swamiji Posted September 20, 2011 Share #75 Â Posted September 20, 2011 The bag might not stand out, but I would... Â That can't be helped, But I certainly do... Â But I have waiting for a holster type bag for sometime, My M9 has issues in the cold. Keeping under my clothes seems the best option for warmth, but none of my jackets provide protection. Â I really don't understand some of these reaction. It's like it's ok to wear a holster for your cordless drill, but not for your camera? If your camera is a tool.... It's not like these things are going to be worn at Montecarlo... in a casino.... My name is Adams, Ansel Adams, license to shoot, secret agent 035mm.... They are for a purpose, either they fit or they don't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenPatterson Posted September 20, 2011 Share #76 Â Posted September 20, 2011 If the shoe, eh, holster fits then...or never mind. It's all a matter of personal taste. If you're comfortable wearing one of these and it's suits your purpose then great. Â As for me I fall into the camp that refuse to wear those red sticky labels at shows that say "HELLO, MY NAME IS" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barjohn Posted September 20, 2011 Share #77 Â Posted September 20, 2011 No one made these snide comments when Leica introduced the holster for the M9T. Personally, I wish they had coped the Leica design, but it is close enough and it is the function of not having a camera swinging around when you are moving quickly, yet readily available for use that appeals to me. Having the camera close to the body, not protruding where it will strike an object or your arms as they naturally swing when you walk and yet quickly available for use seems like a good functional design. Additionally, when you are sitting down to have a drink or a bite to eat, your hands are free but the camera is secure. Maybe in practice it won't work out that way, but that is how I envision it so I ordered the black one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenPatterson Posted September 20, 2011 Share #78 Â Posted September 20, 2011 Yes John, that's exactly what I thought...until I saw one in person and tried it on. I hope, however, that you are happy with your purchase. Â Cheers, Stephen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swamiji Posted September 20, 2011 Share #79 Â Posted September 20, 2011 As for me I fall into the camp that refuse to wear those red sticky labels at shows that say "HELLO, MY NAME IS" Â Well I fall into the camp, Fk'm if they can't take a joke. Life is short! it's amazing how many extra Bobs attend shows. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barjohn Posted September 20, 2011 Share #80 Â Posted September 20, 2011 Stephen, Â So do I. However, I hear they accept returns if not satisfied so we will see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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