jaapv Posted July 31, 2011 Share #61 Posted July 31, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Firing 7 shots on C should take 3.5 secs. It appears, however, that the interesting stuff starts happening after that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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k-hawinkler Posted July 31, 2011 Share #62 Posted July 31, 2011 Firing 7 shots on C should take 3.5 secs. It appears, however, that the interesting stuff starts happening after that. +1 I agree completely. Best, K-H. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrubs Posted July 31, 2011 Share #63 Posted July 31, 2011 Thanks Guys, Just charging battery, Will report back. Class 4 card I was using was a cheap generic one that came free with camera from dealer - MyMemory 4GB SD Card (SDHC) - Class 4 £4.29 - Free Delivery while although it is only is 4/MBs it previously did not seem much faster when shooting individual single shots than the second Sandisk card (class 10 card is a sandisk extreme 30MB/Sec) I will confirm this again when battery has charged. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrubs Posted July 31, 2011 Share #64 Posted July 31, 2011 Firing 7 shots on C should take 3.5 secs. It appears, however, that the interesting stuff starts happening after that. Mine definitely takes longer than that regardless of card. What shutter speed should it fire at that pace? I'll double check since last test were in AV mode. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 31, 2011 Share #65 Posted July 31, 2011 For tests like these I set the camera to 4000. If I leave it on A I forget the lens cap and seven shots will take eight minutes... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted July 31, 2011 Share #66 Posted July 31, 2011 As long as your shutter speed is really small compared to 1s you are fine, say seven times 1/100 s is still in the noise. Best, K-H. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrubs Posted July 31, 2011 Share #67 Posted July 31, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) For tests like these I set the camera to 4000. If I leave it on A I forget the lens cap and seven shots will take eight minutes... hahahhah OK just double checked I made a webcam vid earlier when I was still in AV mode and it is indeed timing at around 4 secs for seven shots so seems about right, It just sounds deceivingly slow because of the motor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted July 31, 2011 Share #68 Posted July 31, 2011 BTW, IIRC I also timed an Eye-Fi card for 7 shots. I believe for that card I measured more than 40 seconds to clear the buffer. Best, K-H. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 31, 2011 Share #69 Posted July 31, 2011 I wonder if there is a timeout somewhere. If the camera starts writing the file but cuts out because it has a problem writing from the buffer it will produce a named 0 Kb file. But, as the first raw conversion has taken place, it will have shown the small jpg on the display nonetheless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrubs Posted July 31, 2011 Share #70 Posted July 31, 2011 I wonder if there is a timeout somewhere. If the camera starts writing the file but cuts out because it has a problem writing from the buffer it will produce a named 0 Kb file. But, as the first raw conversion has taken place, it will have shown the small jpg on the display nonetheless. Sounds plausible. Then there would have to be a read error, which could explain why all the photos disappeared temporarily until reboot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrubs Posted July 31, 2011 Share #71 Posted July 31, 2011 4GB 30MB/S Sandisk Extreme Format in overwrite mode took approx 6 minutes. Camera Settings Lens detection = Auto Advance = Standard Auto ISO setup = 1/30 - 2500 Sharpening = Standard Color saturation = Black & White Contrast = Medium High Bracketing setup = 3/-/0/+ / 0.5 EV Exposure comp setup = SET menu only Monitor brightness = Standard Histogram = STD/ Clip +/- Auto review = 5s / Histogram Auto power off = 2 min Flash sync = 1st curtain Auto slow sync = lens dependant Color management = sRGB DNG Setup = Various White Balance = Manually set to 6000k Compression = Various Resolution = 18 MP Exposure comp = +0 EXP Bracketing = Off Temperature 25 Celsius Battery Level Test Start - 100% Test Finish - 75% All tests shooting 7 frames in continuous mode. Shutter @ 4000 - starting timer on first shutter press and ending when red light stops. ISO 1600 Compressed DNG Only = 18 Seconds (subsequent frames at 2 sec intervals) Uncompressed DNG Only = 27 seconds (subsequent frames at 3 sec intervals) Uncompressed DNG + Basic JPG = 48 Seconds (subsequent frames at 6 sec intervals) Uncompressed DNG + Fine JPG = 50 seconds (subsequent frames at 8 sec intervals) ISO 160 (shooting at this lower ISO allows 9 images to be held in buffer instead of 7 when in DNG only mode- but times were taken for 7 exposures.) Compressed DNG Only = 15 Seconds (subsequent frames at 2 sec intervals) Uncompressed DNG Only = 24 seconds (subsequent frames at 3 sec intervals) Uncompressed DNG + Basic JPG = 42 Seconds (subsequent frames at 6 sec intervals) Uncompressed DNG + Fine JPG = 43 seconds (subsequent frames at 6 sec intervals) OK these times look much better. it does show the vast variation of times between settings. JPG will be getting switched off from now on, which is a shame because asside from having a backup photo, I like to set the JPG to black& white as I find it more easier for checking exposure and light. It would be nice if there was a way to display the review photo in the LCD preview in B&W without having to write the extra JPG. Or I tell you what could be a cool function - I'm assuming that the LCD preview of a DNG photo is a converted JPG regardless of whether you have it set to record an extra JPG? which again I assume takes up overhead and time. what if when the auto review function was set to off it disabled this and for a particular shot you wanted to review it would render the JPG when play was pressed.. Maybe a stupid idea. Depends on how much processing it would free up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted July 31, 2011 Share #72 Posted July 31, 2011 Scrubs, Quick feedback. Timing numbers look pretty normal - similar to mine. Uncompressed is slower than compressed on M9 as well. Many thanks, K-H. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted July 31, 2011 Share #73 Posted July 31, 2011 Hi scrubs, For completeness, could you please, report here all your camera settings. That should become the standard practice for anybody who describes a problem. Please, also include battery level at the end of your testing and approximate ambient temperature. The point is Leica has a problem and needs help. The M9 should work perfectly as long as you operate within the guide lines of the user manual. And you did. Let's hope with the help of forum members they can remedy these issues soon. Many thanks, K-H. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrubs Posted July 31, 2011 Share #74 Posted July 31, 2011 No worries - Updated the post. Yeah fingers crossed we will get to the bottom of it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted July 31, 2011 Share #75 Posted July 31, 2011 Hi Jamie, What a bummer. Thanks for the heads up. I will then keep a careful eye on that D3/85 combination. It's 85 mm not 80, right? Best, K-H. Hi Karl-Heinz--yes, it's the original 85 1.4 Nikkor that has the problem. With that lens in place, my D3 has been the least reliable camera I've ever used, and Nikon can't seem to fix it... The answer appears to be "buy the newer version lens" but I have other things slated for that $$ Anyway, back on topic, I tried to make my M9 fail this morning in C mode. Nothing doing...it worked well full buffer or no. BTW--why do people even put cheap cards in their M9? A system is only as good as the weakest link in the chain, and storage isn't a particularly easy task to accomplish. I wonder if the S2 and the Fujitsu processing stream experiences the same issues? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted July 31, 2011 Share #76 Posted July 31, 2011 No worries - Updated the post. Yeah fingers crossed we will get to the bottom of it Scrubs, For completeness, could you also include which lens was mounted, 6-bit code? So, here is a really big request. Would you consider turning your text into a full blown M9 Problem Reporting Template that should be extensively discussed on this forum before the admin Andreas iterates it with Leica. Leica should have the last say in the matter as they need to find the collected information useful. You would need to list as multiple choice selections all possible settings in the M9. That's quite a bit of work. For example, under lens manual you would need to list all the options so that in reporting folks can just select in blue bold the correct lens mounted. I would like to suggest you start a new thread with the title: Proposal: M9 Problem Reporting Template. The moderators should leave this new thread alone. For sure, such an important subject requires it's own thread. Please, let me know if you are willing to do this work? If not, I will consider doing it. Thanks for all your help. Best, K-H. PS: Please have a look here as well http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/1781904-post535.html And here http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/1780315-post505.html That might save you some work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted July 31, 2011 Share #77 Posted July 31, 2011 From some reports I've seen (and from my own experience) it's perfectly possible that the problem or problems are not independent of the particular site on the card the data is to be written to. It would be straightforward to add to the report the amount of data present on the card (in MB or even %, but not as the number of files) at the end of the sequence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted July 31, 2011 Share #78 Posted July 31, 2011 From some reports I've seen (and from my own experience) it's perfectly possible that the problem or problems are not independent of the particular site on the card the data is to be written to. It would be straightforward to add to the report the amount of data present on the card (in MB or even %, but not as the number of files) at the end of the sequence. Thanks. Excellent suggestion. I would also want to know: What happened (did you do) before the problem, during the problem episode, and afterwards to get your M9 back into functioning semi-correctly. Did you subsequently investigate your memory card thoroughly? Format it? Check it out on a computer, another camera? After formatting with Overwrite in M9 is the situation back to normal - whatever that means? Obviously, we also need to flesh out and agree upon how to properly and correctly examine a memory card to establish its status. Best, K-H. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swanny66 Posted July 31, 2011 Share #79 Posted July 31, 2011 My issue is with the latest Sandisc 16 card. But there was no issue before. And the ambient temperature was between 77F and 92F. I am wondering if hitting a butt before the red light has gone out is contributing to the issue? But pulling the battery reset everything and my card went back to 0. Also, I tried to format the card once and it stayed in format mode for over 5 minutes. Had to pull the battery again. Everything worked (and still works) just fine now. Going out today for some shots so we'll see how she goes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted July 31, 2011 Share #80 Posted July 31, 2011 Hi Scrubs, Many thanks for this considerable amount of work that I greatly appreciate. Before folks start reporting, the forum needs to develop a consensus with Leica of what is a complete relevant M9 Problem Reporting Template. In addition to the information you just provided, I would like to suggest the following as well: M9 firmware version Lens used Memory card used Also, after your list the question I posted before. I plan to go over this shortly and put together an even more complete list. But you already did the bulk of the work. Many many thanks for that. With best regards, K-H. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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