Washington Posted July 25, 2011 Share #1 Posted July 25, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) I am writing this thread ONLY to get one point across that I think has a lot of weight in the card failure problem. I researched this a bit and found that you DON’T KNOW if the card you are using is the real thing and not a ‘’knock-off’’. The number of phony cards being sold is HUGE!!!! So, buying from a reputable dealer means nothing….. THEY don’t know….. they think it’s real too! The copies are so good they have fooled experts from SanDisk. This is why I bought my last card directly from the San Disk website. The M-9 could be being blamed for something that is not it’s fault. I am not saying there can't be situations where something in the camera has gone screwy and it is a camera problem. But, when you read the percentages of phony cards out there the odds are on the cards, big time! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Washington Posted July 25, 2011 Author Share #2 Posted July 25, 2011 I am writing this thread ONLY to get one point across that I think has a lot of weight in the card failure problem. I researched this a bit and found that you DON’T KNOW if the card you are using is the real thing and not a ‘’knock-off’’. The number of phony cards being sold is HUGE!!!! So, buying from a reputable dealer means nothing….. THEY don’t know….. they think it’s real too! The copies are so good they have fooled experts from SanDisk. This is why I bought my last card directly from the San Disk website. The M-9 could be being blamed for something that is not it’s fault. I am not saying there can't be situations where something in the camera has gone screwy and it is a camera problem. But, when you read the percentages of phony cards out there the odds are on the cards, big time! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayewing Posted July 25, 2011 Share #3 Posted July 25, 2011 You may well be right Rip. There seems to be a perception that Leicas are more fussy about SDHC cards than other makes of digital camera so they may not like the fakes.. I may have been lucky but I have had no trouble with the cards I have used in the M9 - Sandisk Extreme111 Class 6 and Transcend Class 6 and 10. I have not used any large capacity cards but have stuck with 4 and 8 GB. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayewing Posted July 25, 2011 Share #4 Posted July 25, 2011 You may well be right Rip. There seems to be a perception that Leicas are more fussy about SDHC cards than other makes of digital camera so they may not like the fakes.. I may have been lucky but I have had no trouble with the cards I have used in the M9 - Sandisk Extreme111 Class 6 and Transcend Class 6 and 10. I have not used any large capacity cards but have stuck with 4 and 8 GB. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted July 25, 2011 Share #5 Posted July 25, 2011 I'm going to plug the current Panasonic Class 10 SDHC cards. I've been using 4GB and now 8GB cards and they're great on all counts. They're less likely to be counterfeited than Lexar and Sandisk, and they work really quickly with my M9. They have a power failure safe mode, and a 10 year warranty here in Canada (and in the US too, I believe). I've had my share of problems with Lexar and Sandisk, especially SD cards, and I attribute that directly to counterfeiting... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted July 25, 2011 Share #6 Posted July 25, 2011 I'm going to plug the current Panasonic Class 10 SDHC cards. I've been using 4GB and now 8GB cards and they're great on all counts. They're less likely to be counterfeited than Lexar and Sandisk, and they work really quickly with my M9. They have a power failure safe mode, and a 10 year warranty here in Canada (and in the US too, I believe). I've had my share of problems with Lexar and Sandisk, especially SD cards, and I attribute that directly to counterfeiting... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwbell Posted July 25, 2011 Share #7 Posted July 25, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Very valid point Rip. What are the percentage of phoney cards out there then? Then we can get a better idea of our chances of getting one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwbell Posted July 25, 2011 Share #8 Posted July 25, 2011 Very valid point Rip. What are the percentage of phoney cards out there then? Then we can get a better idea of our chances of getting one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wda Posted July 25, 2011 Share #9 Posted July 25, 2011 Jamie, they are pretty expensive cards at approximately £21 and £35 from Amazon. They seem to be pitched at video and sequence shooters. Are you sure they are not overkill for the M9? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wda Posted July 25, 2011 Share #10 Posted July 25, 2011 Jamie, they are pretty expensive cards at approximately £21 and £35 from Amazon. They seem to be pitched at video and sequence shooters. Are you sure they are not overkill for the M9? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Washington Posted July 25, 2011 Author Share #11 Posted July 25, 2011 Jamie Roberts: that’s a very good plan as it’s the most popular brands they go for! dwbell: nobody knows for sure and I did read quite a bit on it. All estimates were surprisingly high one near 40%. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Washington Posted July 25, 2011 Author Share #12 Posted July 25, 2011 Jamie Roberts: that’s a very good plan as it’s the most popular brands they go for! dwbell: nobody knows for sure and I did read quite a bit on it. All estimates were surprisingly high one near 40%. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblitz Posted July 25, 2011 Share #13 Posted July 25, 2011 good point david, very high transfer rates are only meaningful if you are shooting hd video, not an issue with the m9, unless i missed something with the software upgrade. i have used promaster mostly, transcend and hoodman and have not had a problem with any, ranging from 4mb to 16mb. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblitz Posted July 25, 2011 Share #14 Posted July 25, 2011 good point david, very high transfer rates are only meaningful if you are shooting hd video, not an issue with the m9, unless i missed something with the software upgrade. i have used promaster mostly, transcend and hoodman and have not had a problem with any, ranging from 4mb to 16mb. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted July 25, 2011 Share #15 Posted July 25, 2011 Jamie, they are pretty expensive cards at approximately £21 and £35 from Amazon. They seem to be pitched at video and sequence shooters. Are you sure they are not overkill for the M9? Well, that's true, but expensive is all relative. They're fast--even in the M9--and they work extremely well. I would look for them locally to maybe get them cheaper; 8GB cards are around $60 CAN here, so the price you're quoting seems about right with the exchange. But I don't think they're overkill, personally (even though technically I know I'm not getting anything like their throughput rate). But anything that lets me keep shooting (clears the buffer well), not worry about chip quality or a battery dying, has a wonderful warranty and are not as counterfeited--and is under $100--is a bargain in my books! And I'm not "machine-gunning" my M9, though I admit this past weekend I had (and still have) a very nasty cold and cough, and still had to shoot a 12+ hour wedding in the 35c (100F) heat. I overshot for sure... just to make sure I wasn't making mistakes, and the cards kept right up with me. Oh--and they transfer to the PC much more quickly with the right SD reader, which is also a nice benefit to me after 12 hours of shooting and another of travel And they're going to work fine in an M10 LOL--ok, I don't know that, but they're certainly speedy and stable. What more do you want from an SD card? Oh and FWIW--they're the ONLY brand I've tried in the M8 and M9 that haven't failed to date, and that includes Hoodman and Transcend... For the extra $$ it's just worth the peace of mind to me., Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblitz Posted July 25, 2011 Share #16 Posted July 25, 2011 just looking at b&h web site, the panasonic and hoodman 16gb class 10 cards -- panasonic $107.95 and hoodman $119.95. probably all made in the same factory in truth, whatever your experience is what matters most, statistically, counterfeits aside, i suspect all these cards similarly rated behave close enough not to matter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
perb Posted July 25, 2011 Share #17 Posted July 25, 2011 ... you DON’T KNOW if the card you are using is thereal thing and not a ‘’knock-off’’. ... So, buying from a reputable dealer means nothing….. THEY don’t know….. they think it’s real too! The copies are so good they have fooled experts from SanDisk. ... the odds are on the cards, big time! Well, if "copies are so good they have fooled experts", shouldn't that mean they work just as well as the "real" cards? We all seem to assume that fake cards must be rubbish, but what if Robert_M actually knows what he is talking about? http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m9-forum/190113-my-m9-eating-sd-cards-merged-15.html#post1769539 If Robert_M is right then there are "good fakes" and "bad fakes", and the "bad fakes" can be identified as such in test. Furhter, if Robert_M is right then a large portion of all fakes are good Regards Per Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted July 25, 2011 Share #18 Posted July 25, 2011 just looking at b&h web site, the panasonic and hoodman 16gb class 10 cards -- panasonic $107.95 and hoodman $119.95. probably all made in the same factory in truth, whatever your experience is what matters most, statistically, counterfeits aside, i suspect all these cards similarly rated behave close enough not to matter. I'd agree with you but that's not my (admittedly anecdotal) experience: the Hoodman's were problematic even in the M8. And I wouldn't use a 16gb card right now anyway--that's too many "eggs" in one basket for my liking. I also don't believe Hoodman has the resources of Matsushita electric--they're probably not made in the same factory at all Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrubs Posted July 25, 2011 Share #19 Posted July 25, 2011 I appreciate peoples opinions on the fake cards, even though I hold a different one. But will say, If the problem is indeed contributed to by factor of 'fake' cards, why do we not see the same magnitude of card related problems in the X1, S2 and D-Lux (and so on) Forums as we see here? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Washington Posted July 25, 2011 Author Share #20 Posted July 25, 2011 Per, now come here. I am talking about outside appearance ….. that SHOULD be obvious. So, who unpacks each card to test it before they sell it? Or better yet, take it apart to see what’s inside? The whole object of my post is ways of insuring you get what you buy: NOT good fakes or bad fakes…. they are BOTH FAKES. Period. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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