aesop Posted July 25, 2011 Author Share #1 Posted July 25, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) ...have always been pre-disposed towards low-light photography and HP5+, but am now seriously considering forays into the world of slow, grain-free film. Would particularly like to hear from hand-held clickers and experienced home processors. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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aesop Posted July 25, 2011 Share #2 Posted July 25, 2011 ...have always been pre-disposed towards low-light photography and HP5+, but am now seriously considering forays into the world of slow, grain-free film. Would particularly like to hear from hand-held clickers and experienced home processors. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maurometallo Posted July 25, 2011 Share #3 Posted July 25, 2011 I have a limited experience with PanF... I prefer fast films... I tried it, however, and developed in Rodinal 1+25 for 5'40" at 20 degrees Celsius: Lovely, but yet to be tried with Perceptol... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maurometallo Posted July 25, 2011 Share #4 Posted July 25, 2011 I have a limited experience with PanF... I prefer fast films... I tried it, however, and developed in Rodinal 1+25 for 5'40" at 20 degrees Celsius: Lovely, but yet to be tried with Perceptol... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
christer Posted July 25, 2011 Share #5 Posted July 25, 2011 Do you want the film to be both slow and grain free, or will just grain free do? ;-) I don't know very much about Pan-F - not any more. I guess it is to grainy and too slow compared to TMax 100 (TMX). TMX is virtually grainless in most developers when enlarged to 30x40cm, and that with generous cropping. The problem is that prints tend to look a bit soft, particularly if you are used to HP5 developed in Rodinal. Of course there is fast + almost grain free film too, it is called TMY. It has a bit more apparent sharpness than TMY. Both do nicely in Xtol 1+1 and also in Spur 2525 when you want a bit more "bite". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
christer Posted July 25, 2011 Share #6 Posted July 25, 2011 Do you want the film to be both slow and grain free, or will just grain free do? ;-) I don't know very much about Pan-F - not any more. I guess it is to grainy and too slow compared to TMax 100 (TMX). TMX is virtually grainless in most developers when enlarged to 30x40cm, and that with generous cropping. The problem is that prints tend to look a bit soft, particularly if you are used to HP5 developed in Rodinal. Of course there is fast + almost grain free film too, it is called TMY. It has a bit more apparent sharpness than TMY. Both do nicely in Xtol 1+1 and also in Spur 2525 when you want a bit more "bite". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aesop Posted July 25, 2011 Author Share #7 Posted July 25, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) I have a limited experience with PanF... I prefer fast films... I tried it, however, and developed in Rodinal 1+25 for 5'40" at 20 degrees Celsius: Lovely, but yet to be tried with Perceptol... ...thanks, Mauro - could you please expand on "lovely"? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aesop Posted July 25, 2011 Author Share #8 Posted July 25, 2011 I have a limited experience with PanF... I prefer fast films... I tried it, however, and developed in Rodinal 1+25 for 5'40" at 20 degrees Celsius: Lovely, but yet to be tried with Perceptol... ...thanks, Mauro - could you please expand on "lovely"? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted July 25, 2011 Share #9 Posted July 25, 2011 I use Pan F, both in 35 and 120. There are three (count 'em!) examples in one of my galleries on the forum http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/members/21194-albums826.html I like to use FX39 with it. My normal developer, HC110-B gives too short a development time, but at Dil E, it is more manageable. I rate at 32 ISO, btw. I like it. If you want proper grain-free, buy some Rollei ATP, with its own developer. Amazing stuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted July 25, 2011 Share #10 Posted July 25, 2011 I use Pan F, both in 35 and 120. There are three (count 'em!) examples in one of my galleries on the forum http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/members/21194-albums826.html I like to use FX39 with it. My normal developer, HC110-B gives too short a development time, but at Dil E, it is more manageable. I rate at 32 ISO, btw. I like it. If you want proper grain-free, buy some Rollei ATP, with its own developer. Amazing stuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
!Nomad64 Posted July 25, 2011 Share #11 Posted July 25, 2011 ...have always been pre-disposed towards low-light photography and HP5+, but am now seriously considering forays into the world of slow, grain-free film. Would particularly like to hear from hand-held clickers and experienced home processors. From what I heard Pan F is not the greatest choice, but I cannot speak out of direct experience. If it's slow & fine grain film that you want, there are some essays on Erwin Puts' site, starting from this on: Modern slow speed films Hope this helps, Bruno Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
!Nomad64 Posted July 25, 2011 Share #12 Posted July 25, 2011 ...have always been pre-disposed towards low-light photography and HP5+, but am now seriously considering forays into the world of slow, grain-free film. Would particularly like to hear from hand-held clickers and experienced home processors. From what I heard Pan F is not the greatest choice, but I cannot speak out of direct experience. If it's slow & fine grain film that you want, there are some essays on Erwin Puts' site, starting from this on: Modern slow speed films Hope this helps, Bruno Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aesop Posted July 25, 2011 Author Share #13 Posted July 25, 2011 Do you want the film to be both slow and grain free, or will just grain free do? ;-) I don't know very much about Pan-F - not any more. I guess it is to grainy and too slow compared to TMax 100 (TMX). TMX is virtually grainless in most developers when enlarged to 30x40cm, and that with generous cropping. The problem is that prints tend to look a bit soft, particularly if you are used to HP5 developed in Rodinal. Of course there is fast + almost grain free film too, it is called TMY. It has a bit more apparent sharpness than TMY. Both do nicely in Xtol 1+1 and also in Spur 2525 when you want a bit more "bite". ...thanks, christer - I am looking for "image quality, fine detail and lack of grain". At least that is what it said on the Ilford literature that initially piqued my interest in Pan F+. What speed do you normally rate your TMY at? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aesop Posted July 25, 2011 Author Share #14 Posted July 25, 2011 Do you want the film to be both slow and grain free, or will just grain free do? ;-) I don't know very much about Pan-F - not any more. I guess it is to grainy and too slow compared to TMax 100 (TMX). TMX is virtually grainless in most developers when enlarged to 30x40cm, and that with generous cropping. The problem is that prints tend to look a bit soft, particularly if you are used to HP5 developed in Rodinal. Of course there is fast + almost grain free film too, it is called TMY. It has a bit more apparent sharpness than TMY. Both do nicely in Xtol 1+1 and also in Spur 2525 when you want a bit more "bite". ...thanks, christer - I am looking for "image quality, fine detail and lack of grain". At least that is what it said on the Ilford literature that initially piqued my interest in Pan F+. What speed do you normally rate your TMY at? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aesop Posted July 25, 2011 Author Share #15 Posted July 25, 2011 From what I heard Pan F is not the greatest choice, but I cannot speak out of direct experience. If it's slow & fine grain film that you want, there are some essays on Erwin Puts' site, starting from this on: Modern slow speed films Hope this helps, Bruno ...thanks, Bruno - literature is one thing, but I would rather hear from everyday DIY users. It is their their type of pain I expect to face, not results gleaned from lab conditions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aesop Posted July 25, 2011 Author Share #16 Posted July 25, 2011 From what I heard Pan F is not the greatest choice, but I cannot speak out of direct experience. If it's slow & fine grain film that you want, there are some essays on Erwin Puts' site, starting from this on: Modern slow speed films Hope this helps, Bruno ...thanks, Bruno - literature is one thing, but I would rather hear from everyday DIY users. It is their their type of pain I expect to face, not results gleaned from lab conditions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aesop Posted July 25, 2011 Author Share #17 Posted July 25, 2011 I use Pan F, both in 35 and 120. There are three (count 'em!) examples in one of my galleries on the forum http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/members/21194-albums826.html I like to use FX39 with it. My normal developer, HC110-B gives too short a development time, but at Dil E, it is more manageable. I rate at 32 ISO, btw. I like it. If you want proper grain-free, buy some Rollei ATP, with its own developer. Amazing stuff. ...see, Señor Barton, it is images like yours that resulted in my current quandary. I simply love them. Thanks for the technical input as well. The Rollei option sounds really mouth-watering. But at 32 ISO? Sounds like I will need to invest in a tripod as backup, non? Hmmm, doesn't that defeat the entire raison d'être of an M? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aesop Posted July 25, 2011 Author Share #18 Posted July 25, 2011 I use Pan F, both in 35 and 120. There are three (count 'em!) examples in one of my galleries on the forum http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/members/21194-albums826.html I like to use FX39 with it. My normal developer, HC110-B gives too short a development time, but at Dil E, it is more manageable. I rate at 32 ISO, btw. I like it. If you want proper grain-free, buy some Rollei ATP, with its own developer. Amazing stuff. ...see, Señor Barton, it is images like yours that resulted in my current quandary. I simply love them. Thanks for the technical input as well. The Rollei option sounds really mouth-watering. But at 32 ISO? Sounds like I will need to invest in a tripod as backup, non? Hmmm, doesn't that defeat the entire raison d'être of an M? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted July 25, 2011 Share #19 Posted July 25, 2011 Thanks. I have never found it a problem and I don't use a tripod with my Ms. Obviously you need some light, but you might just need to rest the camera on a fence, or car roof, or spouse or something similar. All three in that little gallery were just handheld. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted July 25, 2011 Share #20 Posted July 25, 2011 Thanks. I have never found it a problem and I don't use a tripod with my Ms. Obviously you need some light, but you might just need to rest the camera on a fence, or car roof, or spouse or something similar. All three in that little gallery were just handheld. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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