JKphotography Posted July 9, 2011 Share #1 Posted July 9, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) This evening a friend of mine brought along his M6 with a Leica Elmarit 90mm lens. I wanted to try the lens on my M8 just to see the quality. After i took the lens off again i could see the lens mount on the camera being a tad greasy...so i took a cleaning cloth (normally used for lenses and such) and wiped the mount ever so gently... but knocked the little wheel on an arm thingy so i put my Elmarit 28mm back on the M8 and when i looked throught the viewfinder i could see the focus patch was off vertically (when i pointed at a subject i wanted to be in focus i actually had to tilt my camera up slightly) the rangefinder is probably off Did i do something wrong?? Is it something that could be fixed easily? or do i have to send it to Leica? Man i'm feeling sick right now!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jaapv Posted July 10, 2011 Share #2 Posted July 10, 2011 Not a huge problem, however it cannot have been the roller wheel that did this, usually it is a knock on the bottom of the camera. Just call Will van Manen (kameraservice Zoetermeer) and he can adjust it for you in a short time and at no great expense. In the meanwhile just carry on using the camera. On a 28 mm this will not impair the focussing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKphotography Posted July 10, 2011 Author Share #3 Posted July 10, 2011 Not a huge problem, however it cannot have been the roller wheel that did this, usually it is a knock on the bottom of the camera. Just call Will van Manen (kameraservice Zoetermeer) and he can adjust it for you in a short time and at no great expense. In the meanwhile just carry on using the camera. On a 28 mm this will not impair the focussing. Hmm..i didn't bump, or knock the camera against anything, and prior to cleaning the mount everything was working just fine and i took some images Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 10, 2011 Share #4 Posted July 10, 2011 Well, whatever caused it, the solution is simple:) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKphotography Posted July 10, 2011 Author Share #5 Posted July 10, 2011 Well, whatever caused it, the solution is simple:) Hmmm ah well... at least when i send it off to Wil he's going to CLA it anyway ;-) Jaap, just one question. Do you know what Wil normally charges for RF adjustment? Thanks for your soothing words Jaap It really helped me keep my cool! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKphotography Posted July 10, 2011 Author Share #6 Posted July 10, 2011 Well i just tried to take a picture but now i can't see any frame lines...... Picking the camera up about half an hour later and i can see the frame lines again but with the misaligned focus patch. So tried to focus....focus is WAY off Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 10, 2011 Share #7 Posted July 10, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) You must have caught that roller arm hard enough to give it quite a bend. Call Will Monday. I'll send a PM with his number-hopehe is not on holiday....:(Don't worry about the price . He is quite reasonable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKphotography Posted July 10, 2011 Author Share #8 Posted July 10, 2011 You must have caught that roller arm hard enough to give it quite a bend. Call Will Monday. I'll send a PM with his number-hopehe is not on holiday....:(Don't worry about the price . He is quite reasonable. I've already sent him an e mail. I hope it's going to cost hundreds of Euro's Do you know if there might be a possibility i could wait for the camera while they adjust it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKphotography Posted July 10, 2011 Author Share #9 Posted July 10, 2011 OMG....something is loose in the camera! I don't know what it is but i haven't dropped or bumped the camera, but when i move the camera i can hear something moving in the camera.....when i look through the viewfinder while slightle moving the camera (a slight shake) and can see the entire viewfinder move or drift to the right..... I'm starting to feel sick again!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 10, 2011 Share #10 Posted July 10, 2011 Don't panic.. Mechanical repairs to the rangefinder are quite straighforward. It makes me wonder though, it is quite impossible to get the kind of symptoms you describe from just touching the roller wheel. As an example, I dropped an M8 from six meters onto the rocks, and apart from hefty damage to the body, the view/rangefinder though knocked out of adjusment was undamaged and in one piece. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKphotography Posted July 10, 2011 Author Share #11 Posted July 10, 2011 Don't panic..Mechanical repairs to the rangefinder are quite straighforward. It makes me wonder though, it is quite impossible to get the kind of symptoms you describe from just touching the roller wheel. As an example, I dropped an M8 from six meters onto the rocks, and apart from hefty damage to the body, the view/rangefinder though knocked out of adjusment was undamaged and in one piece. I don't know what happened. I always take real good care of my equipment! And i haven't dropped or bumped anything. When i slightly shake the camera i can see the framelines disappear. But i can't imagine something coming loose in the camera after just touching the roller. This is going to be expensive i think! And although I'm trying to keep my cool.... i am panicking right now Something tells me this is not going to be cheap! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKphotography Posted July 10, 2011 Author Share #12 Posted July 10, 2011 I've been doing some reading and it seems the M8 has been dropped or knocked before by it's previous owner. My reason saying this is that I've read about a blurry shutter speed and light meter indicator in the viewfinder. This is supposed to be as sharp as the focus patch. But when i tested the camera this was already blurry, but i just assumed this was due to a diopter problem and not an alignment problem. So thing are getting more clear now. I'm afraid there's nothing left to do but sending it in for service at Wil van Manen. I have sent the original owner an e mail on which he replied never to have dropped or bumped the camera at all... well i guess thats the risk of buying something secondhand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorJazz Posted July 10, 2011 Share #13 Posted July 10, 2011 Hmmm ah well... at least when i send it off to Wil he's going to CLA it anyway ;-) Jaap, just one question. Do you know what Wil normally charges for RF adjustment? Thanks for your soothing words Jaap It really helped me keep my cool! Just had it done on my M6. I dropped mine and it just needed an small adjustment. Around 100 euro's. If the prisms are off I dunno. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomv Posted July 10, 2011 Share #14 Posted July 10, 2011 Joël, The mechanical design of the rangefinder is basically 70 or 80 years old. It has nothing to do with LED's or electronic shutter control. The little wheel is the lever which controls the focus view. I doubt you damaged it. I am pretty sure the solution is just a matter of putting a little screw back where it belongs or something like that. Use registered mail with insurance! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 10, 2011 Share #15 Posted July 10, 2011 I've been doing some reading and it seems the M8 has been dropped or knocked before by it's previous owner. My reason saying this is that I've read about a blurry shutter speed and light meter indicator in the viewfinder. This is supposed to be as sharp as the focus patch. But when i tested the camera this was already blurry, but i just assumed this was due to a diopter problem and not an alignment problem. So thing are getting more clear now. I'm afraid there's nothing left to do but sending it in for service at Wil van Manen. I have sent the original owner an e mail on which he replied never to have dropped or bumped the camera at all... well i guess thats the risk of buying something secondhand. Call him first. There are electrical connections there. I have a feeling he is going to say send itto Solms. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKphotography Posted July 10, 2011 Author Share #16 Posted July 10, 2011 Just had it done on my M6. I dropped mine and it just needed an small adjustment. Around 100 euro's. If the prisms are off I dunno. Thanks for the heads up Warrior! Joël, The mechanical design of the rangefinder is basically 70 or 80 years old. It has nothing to do with LED's or electronic shutter control. The little wheel is the lever which controls the focus view. I doubt you damaged it. I am pretty sure the solution is just a matter of putting a little screw back where it belongs or something like that. Use registered mail with insurance! Thanks Thom! What i meant to say is that the LED indication in the viewfinder (showing the shutterspeed and metering) should be as sharp and in-focus as the focus patch itself. This wasn't/isn't the case, and from what i've read here on the forum this has to do with something not being aligned right! Regards, Joël Call him first. There are electrical connections there. I have a feeling he is going to say send itto Solms. Thanks Jaap. I'll wait until he replies to my emails i sent earlier today. And then i would probably call him. Thanks again for all the reassuring words and all the help!!!! Regards, Joël Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
john_newell Posted July 10, 2011 Share #17 Posted July 10, 2011 Ouch. Good luck. The M8 is worth the trouble, but it is vexing and worse to have this happen at the start. Have you considered contacting the seller? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Henry Posted July 11, 2011 Share #18 Posted July 11, 2011 Joel , Is it with this lens ? http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-wiki.en/index.php/90mm_f/2.8_Elmarit-M I have macroElmar 90mm and Apo Summicron 90mm and it works fine ! http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-wiki.en/index.php/90mm_f/4_Macro-Elmar-M http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-wiki.en/index.php/90mm_f/2_ASPH_Apo-Summicron-M they are fabulous lens ! Leica does not recommend using this one : http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-wiki.en/index.php/90mm_f/4_Elmar Let us know when it's repaired? Good luck Best Henry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKphotography Posted July 11, 2011 Author Share #19 Posted July 11, 2011 Ouch. Good luck. The M8 is worth the trouble, but it is vexing and worse to have this happen at the start. Have you considered contacting the seller? Thank you John! I contacted the seller yesterday as soon as i noticed something was loose in the camera. He said he hasn't dropped or bumped the camera or anything like that. I believe him since there are no obvious marks or dings on the camera itself. He asked me to keep him posted and genuinely sounds concerned too. We'll see what happens. Regards, Joël Joel ,Is it with this lens ? http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-wiki.en/index.php/90mm_f/2.8_Elmarit-M I have macroElmar 90mm and Apo Summicron 90mm and it works fine ! http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-wiki.en/index.php/90mm_f/4_Macro-Elmar-M http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-wiki.en/index.php/90mm_f/2_ASPH_Apo-Summicron-M they are fabulous lens ! Leica does not recommend using this one : http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-wiki.en/index.php/90mm_f/4_Elmar Let us know when it's repaired? Good luck Best Henry Hi Henry, The first link shows the lens i tried from a friend of mine. He uses it on his M8. Fantastic lens!! I hope to hear something from Wil van Manen later on this day. Yesterday i wrote him an e mail describing the problems. Could be he's busy servicing other camera's so maybe I'll give him a call this afternoon if i don't receive an answer by mail. Thanks! regards, Joël Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 11, 2011 Share #20 Posted July 11, 2011 From the way the problem developed in this thread, it seems more likely a screw worked loose, as Thom suggested. That would indicate damage by vibration (light aircraft, motorcycle, etc) instead of hard impact.Or just plain bad luck I would suggest sending the camera to Solms anyway. This is not just a RF adjustment, which Will excels at, the camera needs to be checked, RF tightened and adjusted and the sensor calibration checked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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