pico Posted June 24, 2011 Share #21 Posted June 24, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) [...]It seems smart marketing as the M9 owners who really want sapphire glass will sell their M9 and buy the M9P. Smart marketing meaning idiot buyers, anal psychotics who so rarely use their camera that they won't buy a replaceable protective mask instead. Smart marketing. Yes. Skim the suckers off the top of the line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted June 24, 2011 Posted June 24, 2011 Hi pico, Take a look here Here comes the LEICA M9-P – unobtrusive, non-slip, hardened. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
lykaman Posted June 24, 2011 Share #22 Posted June 24, 2011 That’s the idea” Then when you walk past a bunch of Niktaxanon users you can flash your M9P..... Oh’ he’s a pro”””” they will say... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jarski Posted June 24, 2011 Share #23 Posted June 24, 2011 What significant things can you not do with an M9 when compared to your M10 fantasies or best guess as to what it might be? (Describe your fantasy M10) heresy to some I know, but here's my list: in body image stabilizer and dust viber for sensor. moderate weather sealing. bring sensor on par with current dSLR's. some solution to enable longer shooting time, perhaps battery pack about size of old Leicavits... thats it How much are the new features worth to you? 6000EUR for body, but I would buy 3-4 years after, second hand How many years have you used a Leica M (film or digital)? M8 for 1.5 years. If the changes entail an entirely different look to the classic M, do you care? Yes, its a no-no Finally, are you a technology-chaser, a pro or an amateur (in the best meaning of the word)? amateur Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted June 24, 2011 Share #24 Posted June 24, 2011 heresy to some I know, but here's my list: in body image stabilizer and dust viber for sensor. moderate weather sealing. bring sensor on par with current dSLR's. some solution to enable longer shooting time, perhaps battery pack about size of old Leicavits... thats it Good ideas. I especially like the idea of a large, bottom mounted battery with grip option which might also help support long exposures (if we can keep the sensor cool) and weather sealing. Thanks for that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiriusLux Posted June 24, 2011 Share #25 Posted June 24, 2011 What significant things can you not do with an M9 when compared to your M10 fantasies or best guess as to what it might be? (Describe your fantasy M10) How much are the new features worth to you? How many years have you used a Leica M (film or digital)? If the changes entail an entirely different look to the classic M, do you care? Finally, are you a technology-chaser, a pro or an amateur (in the best meaning of the word)? Desires: - Higher ISO capability, - LiveView would be nice, especially if I consider that with a Rangefinder camera I never get what I see in the finder, - A better display, - Quicker image processing, - Longer battery life, What is it worth: - The camera should be similar price as now, that's the maximum I would be ready to spend. Did I own a Leica: - I do not have an M9 yet, but thinking of getting used one, As for rangefinders I have used a film Contax IIIa and still own it and used and still own a Mamiya 6 rangefinder camera. My ideal camera would be a digital camera like it, so the Leica gets close to it. - Different look? No I do not see any reason why to change the design if it wasn't to have a collapsible lens. Who/What am I: - I am an amateur and practise photography since 40 years, i.e. since I was 7 years old. - I like technology when it brings an added value to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomv Posted June 25, 2011 Share #26 Posted June 25, 2011 Top traditional Leica engraving - fuggedaboudit. Unless you want one of my 3D decals: $to be determined. My early M8. Leica used to do engraving on request, at a cost of course. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/154882-here-comes-the-leica-m9-p-%E2%80%93-unobtrusive-non-slip-hardened/?do=findComment&comment=1714478'>More sharing options...
pico Posted June 25, 2011 Share #27 Posted June 25, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) The day will come where a photographer will show his photo with a thumbnail of the boutique camera he used to make it. That will be he very very end of the meaning of photography. For him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyril Jayant Posted June 25, 2011 Share #28 Posted June 25, 2011 I consider it bad taste to cast someone who does not want the product as one who cannot afford it, as if it were necessary to purchase everything Leica introduces. See PiRIUS' post. "Can't afford it then shouldn't be here" is nutz. Life is composed of GOOD BLOOD AND BAD BLOOD which is the human nature> Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
klytz Posted July 3, 2011 Share #29 Posted July 3, 2011 Let this be my first input to the L-Forum being a new member: I have been photographing as a happy amateur for more than 40 years and had my first Leica, an M7 as it was released. (Okay, I owned an M6 TTL a month prior to that). I have had a lot of fun and joy using this tool, for that is exactly what it is, a tool, along with my Nikon D2 and D3s. I did not buy the M8 since I thought that there was too much discussion and arguing about it. Also I have had some personal problems being met by people's kind comments to my equipment, since I do not use a Leica as a symbol of status. Now the discrete M9P has been launched and I hope to get mine tomorrow. I am sure that I shall have lots of years of fun and nice pictures to come. I must say that I am really surprised to read all these negative inputs regarding Leica. Why do you who are complaining not make a site of hatred towards the brand and let the rest of us have a forum where we can discuss and develop our love for the picture made with a rangefinder? Kind regards from Denmark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k_g_wolf ✝ Posted July 3, 2011 Share #30 Posted July 3, 2011 Let us see a photo please once you have got it. Welcome here and enjoy your new camera ! Best wishes GEORG Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted July 3, 2011 Share #31 Posted July 3, 2011 Is it not possible that Leica, after releasing the M9, realized that many of their customers would prefer the mp look and a sapphire LCD screen? Following this realization is it possible that they released this new model not necessarily with intention of current M9 users to buy it, but for new users to have the option? It would seem like Leica would have known from the MP (ca. 2003) that many customers prefer the MP look. And, from the M8.2 (and M8 upgrade program) that many customers prefer a sapphire screen. So no, I don't think they suddenly came to the realization. In fact they had to explain the reversion to acrylic screen and omission of chrome plating (keeping the price down) when the M9 came out, because a lot of customers were puzzled (and many, miffed). I also don't think Leica had an intention as to who would buy the M9P, only that people would. I think Leica has solid historical evidence to convince them beyond a shadow of doubt that they can count on some existing users to buy any new model they produce. As to attracting new buyers, my take is that whoever hasn't bought an M9 by now is for one of 2 reasons: it's too expensive for them, and/or they have issues with some of the actual digital technology such as high ISO noise and red-edge. Given that the M9P costs more and has the identical digital componentry, it would be awfully strange if Leica expected a different top plate and a sapphire LCD screen combined with a $1000 price increase to attract a large number of fence-sitters or other newcomers. The LCD screen dimensions of the M9 are identical to the M8/M8.2, so they already had the sapphire screen developed (and for all we know, a bunch of them in inventory). Changes in the top plate took but a few mouse-clicks in the CNC programming. They have the chrome plating technology and apparatus from M7/MP production. Thus the cost of "developing" the M9P would appear to have been minimal. Automobile makers have been doing facelifts in the latter part of a product's lifecycle for generations. It's a tried-and-proven means of revitalizing sales with a minimum of investment in an ageing model. I don't see any reason Leica deserves to be castigated for following suit. They're certainly not forcing anyone to buy an M9P. If I were in the market for a second M9, I would be thanking Leica because I know there will be at least a temporary influx of barely-used samples thanks to serial upgraders. If anything, my attentions are focused down the road at an M10. But quite frankly, I've found the M9 less of a successor to the M8 than a solution for some irritating issues. The M8, as good as it was, always felt to me a little like a prototype...almost there, but not quite. I find the M9 is "there". An M10 will have to really be revolutionary to get me off my wallet again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted July 4, 2011 Share #32 Posted July 4, 2011 Actually I think the M9-P is good news for M9 owners. That means the M10 is still 6-12 months away and we can enjoy our camera longer without a dramatically superior model in competition. [....] Do you believe an improvement in the m9 will make a qualitative difference in your pictures? I do not. The penchant for the M10 - or whatever it will be called is strictly for camera fondle manics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roydonian Posted July 4, 2011 Share #33 Posted July 4, 2011 It seems smart marketing as the M9 owners who really want sapphire glass will sell their M9 and buy the M9P. Not a likely scenario, if the new glass is going to being offered as a retrofit. Smart marketing meaning idiot buyers, anal psychotics who so rarely use their camera that they won't buy a replaceable protective mask instead. Smart marketing. Yes. Skim the suckers off the top of the line. Do you have the slightest evidence that the camera is being bought by “idiot buyers”, “anal psychotics” and “suckers”? Or were you simply trying to be offensive? Just for the record, my dealer reports have received only a modest number or orders. That’s what I would have expected - a few collectors may want to add the new variant to their collection, and a few customers buying their first or backup M9 may have decided that they preferred the new finish. That’s the idea” Then when you walk past a bunch of Niktaxanon users you can flash your M9P..... Oh’ he’s a pro”””” they will say... I doubt whether many members of my camera club would even recognise a Leica, any more than I could tell whether they were carrying to top-of-the-range Canon or Nikon hardware or the basic introductory model and 'kit' lens. Train-spotting may be a viable hobby, but I doubt whether camera-spotting is. Best regards, Doug Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted July 5, 2011 Share #34 Posted July 5, 2011 [....]Do you have the slightest evidence that the camera is being bought by “idiot buyers”, “anal psychotics” and “suckers”? Or were you simply trying to be offensive? Just for the record, my dealer reports have received only a modest number or orders. Of course - we art talking of the few collectors who care more for the perfect camera than the images they can produce. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roydonian Posted July 5, 2011 Share #35 Posted July 5, 2011 And the evidence for this claim is….? If you look at the postings on this forum from individuals who have just purchased an M9-P can you see any evidence that these messages were written by “collectors who care more for the perfect camera than the images they can produce.!”? Best regards, Doug Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted July 6, 2011 Share #36 Posted July 6, 2011 And the evidence for this claim is….? If you look at the postings on this forum from individuals who have just purchased an M9-P can you see any evidence that these messages were written by “collectors who care more for the perfect camera than the images they can produce.!”? Best regards, Doug Yes, I can, but it would be inappropriate, even mean, to point them out so I shall not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcrutcher Posted July 6, 2011 Share #37 Posted July 6, 2011 I like the look and the idea.. I have several M's including a MP and M9 which I use not collect. I have a M9-p on order and will enjoy it. I also don't understand all the negative vibes, it's a personal choice how to spend your money and what you expect in return. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roydonian Posted July 6, 2011 Share #38 Posted July 6, 2011 Yes, I can, but it would be inappropriate, even mean, to point them out so I shall not. And I took a really great picture the other day that would be sure to win first prize in the camera club’s next competition, but I’m not going to enter it because I don’t want to embarrass the less talented members. But I fear that no-one is going to believe me, because – as is the case with your claims – I have offered no evidence to back up my assertion. Best regards, Doug Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted July 6, 2011 Share #39 Posted July 6, 2011 And I took a really great picture the other day that would be sure to win first prize in the camera club’s next competition, but I’m not going to enter it because I don’t want to embarrass the less talented members. But I fear that no-one is going to believe me, because – as is the case with your claims – I have offered no evidence to back up my assertion. Best regards, Doug Come on, Doug. Put a smiley in there. Does anyone really care how the photo was made? Not even a funny joke. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roydonian Posted July 7, 2011 Share #40 Posted July 7, 2011 You have missed the point I was trying to make – an assertion made without the evidence to back it up is valueless, whether it is a claim to have taken a potential prize-winning photo that one does not wish to produce for scrutiny, or a claim that the M9-P is being largely bought by collectors but for which no evidence is offered. I leave to your opinions and wish you joy of them. In the next few hours I’m going to open the cabinet where I keep my Leicas and lenses, and choose the equipment I will use for five days of shooting. Much more fun than on-line arguements. Best regards, Doug Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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